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2011-03-03, 22:14 | Link #22162 | |
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Anyways, I don't think it's a good idea to speculate if the name really was Yasuda or Yasu as it seems like some kind of obvious troll. At the very least it's no coincidence or accident that Ryukishi chose that name. Although there's no reason why he *couldn't* just use it... Anyways, it's been mentioned before, but just in case: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portopi...Satsujin_Jiken <-- The meme comes from this game in which the culprit is the Yasuhiko (nicknamed Yasu) character. |
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Did you guys learn about it after reading EP7 or before? I'm curious because knowing the meme while I was reading it colored how I approached the whole EP7. Continued below: Quote:
Case in point, the name of Yasu, was, I thought her way of saying, "I don't really know what the name of the girl is; let's just call her Yasu of 'Hanin ha Yasu' fame." I thought her control of Claire, forcing the pieces on the game board to talk and even the scene of Will and Lion as pieces she could manipulate at the end showed us that almost the entirety of EP7 was made up by her. Mostly with outside-researched facts from Rokkenjima Prime and whatever else was needed to fill it into a smooth narrative possibly imagined up. The red guts scene, I thought was because of this. Perhaps the red guts scenes were alternate theories, or facts she (and by extension people on Rokkenjima Prime) dug up and could be interpreted in multiple ways. The happy way or the awful way. In addition, that's why I thought we never get a sprite for 'Yasu.' To me, both the name and the lack of a sprite makes me think of this character as one big shadow with a '?' on it. Someone we can detect was there, but her details and information are hidden in the shadows behind Shannon, Kanon, Beatrice and whoever else. It's almost as if she should be named 'Anonymous' or 'Unknown', except the meme about Yasu is that she's supposed to be the Hanin. So, I thought she's supposed to be the 'Convenient Culprit' that Bernkastel shoves at us. And this lines up with what we thought about Beatrice; that she didn't have an active hand in murder but that she was some kind of excuse to blame the tragedy on. (And that's what EP7 showed that we all kinda rejected; that she and she alone had planned all the murder, set the bomb, etc.) Last edited by Kylon99; 2011-03-04 at 01:41. |
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2011-03-04, 02:35 | Link #22167 | ||
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This over-arching Bernkastel is who I assume to represent someone or some people who've done outside research into the background. She seems to have cast herself as a villain in her own story... 8) But at the very least, if she's the one moving the pieces around on the board then she must be the ones making Will, Claire, Lion and whoever else do as she commands. She has to know something, I would think. Quote:
But yah, down on Claire and Will's level, it is a story that Clair narrates. However I wonder how much of it has been manipulated or which parts were 'filled' in thanks to the real 'Yasu' hiding herself... As for Will, I would assume that ... Uber-Bernkastel... *cough* was using him to drive the plot forward. On the whole, I didn't really like having yet another 'layer' that seemed to look down on EP7. Now there seemed to be two Bernkastels... one who's clearly a villain and another that seems to just be interested in the story. But, there it is... |
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2011-03-04, 02:55 | Link #22168 | ||
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She can find out that someone named Sayo Yasuda worked as a servant on Rokkenjima. That's it. Without literally using magic, or calling up Clair's soul to give testimony, Bern would have to make everything else up herself; and doing so not only means everything we went through was a big waste of time that tells us absolutely nothing in an episode that was meant to give answers, but it's also incredibly against Bern's character; she would not have dedicated THIS MUCH TIME to love, emotions, feelings, magical metaphors, and sympathy-building character development if she had any hand whatsoever in the storytelling process. Quote:
This isn't Bern expanding her character into a humanoid storyteller; this is just the same Bern we've always known being a Gamemaster just like Beatrice, Lambdadelta, and Battler have. This is not an additional layer.
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So far the most common interpretation was: She is the obvious culprit and Ryuukishi named her "Yasu" as a joke. After all the culprit is always Yasu. I personally buy this interpretation, he needed to decide how to call her, and he chose "Yasu", I don't see it as a red herring. Red herrings aren't likely to exist in an episode that was meant to explain Beatrice's background. That being said, Yasu is just the culprit of the various Beatrice's games, it doesn't need to be the culprit of Rokkenjima Prime. Anyway Will seems pretty certain that she's the culprit. About Clair. Maybe you can have some doubts about the Clair in the meta theater, but the Clair in the chapel is definitely "the culprit of Beatrice's murder". Nobody even called her Clair or Yasu. The Clair's look was given to this culprit because "Bern hates people that can't reason". Even so, this culprit later talks in first person about something that Shannon did... so yeah it's pretty damn obvious. This culprit also seems to subscribe to anything that the Clair in the meta theater said... Anyway this culprit with Clair's look is the one that Will later "kills". It is obvious to me that it's Yasu, but whatever... Quoting something that Chrono reported in another thread: Quote:
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2011-03-04, 09:51 | Link #22170 |
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Apparently he underestimated Lambda's bro potential. Or else all that stuff about Lambda doing things behind the curtain for the entirety of Chiru was purely accidental and he didn't intend her to be as awesome as The Genius Battler Conspiracy claims she is.
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2011-03-04, 11:30 | Link #22171 |
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On the subject of Yasu and her name, has anyone seen those extra bits that came with the Anime's box set? In one of them, they actually say 'the culprit is Yasu". Kind of ironic that an extra, short bit of humor would name the culprit several months before Ep.7 came out...and yes, I am aware of the meme, but still...
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2011-03-04, 16:03 | Link #22174 |
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I'm not saying it's his goal, but it IS something he does. He makes an effort to make all of his characters sympathetic unless they're bit parts with no real personality.
Takano Miyo Erika Furudo Kasumi Sumadera Yasu-as-culprit It's sort of a running theme, and Ange pretty much dedicates a monologue to it in EP4 when she talks about white magic.
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2011-03-04, 18:04 | Link #22175 |
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Hi, I've finished EP8 and I have some points I'd like to check.
I'm assuming that EP1-2 are written by Yasu and EP3-6 by Touja/Battler-Tohya. If EP1-2 were written before the murders took place, then... how could Yasu know (in her stories) that there will be real murders? I mean, she just wanted to make Battler remember and understand her with that fake murder game. Why her stories don't show just that? And... is there a general agreement about the murderer in EP1-4? I suppose that Yasu is not the culprit because she has no motive at all (and Battler forgives her and apologizes at the end of EP5). Were the siblings still faking their deaths when the rest found them at the chapel? If so, how can they fake their guts being pulled out? And regarding EP8, the Tea Party was a metaphor of Battler's personality death, wasn't it? My japanese sucks, you know. Regards. |
2011-03-04, 18:14 | Link #22176 |
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One of the running theories is that in her stories, she made herself a real murderer as a conservation of details, but then in real life, she was doing her murder game, but then someone took advantage of the opportunity to kill for real. Only the First Twilight is faked at best, before the killer then goes behind Yasu and "finishes the job."
And yes, the Tea Party is as you say. Battler "died" that day through memory loss, and his personality changed as a result, making him a different person. Depending on how you wish to interpret the ending, either Toya dies and goes to the afterlife with restored memory, or my personal favorite, the Battler and Toya personalities divide, with Battler going to the Golden Land.
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2011-03-04, 19:22 | Link #22177 |
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The "everything was fiction" angle bothers me, from Meta-Batter perspective the stories and the killings are real.
I mean, he really saw his sister getting burgered etc. Even if they are just stories, Meta- Battler is a character inside those stories. |
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There's a difference between feeling sympathy for the insane things Takano had to endure and encouraging her to carry on and succeed in her unethical plans. There has never been to me anything that pushes me to believe Ryuukishi would ever want us to root for murderers. In fact Minagoroshi's whole point was to tell us that it will never really solve anything. |
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Random post is random.
Not to get off topic, but I opened EP1 to take a gander at the order the chacters appear in, and, you know how, upon rereading, you find an utterly ridiculous amount of the dialogue foreshadows something, be it intentional or no? I stopped (randomly) on Battler saying, upon meeting George at the airport : "Heheh, don't scare me like that, you just shaved 3 years off my life. ...coincidence? Well ... probably. Maybe? ...probably. But still. |
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