Suisei no Gargantia - generic discussion thread

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by Ashaman

Because there is merit in them participating themselves.

If Chamber is the sole combatant, he displays incredible power - weather enough to deter future attacks is up for debate.

However, as far as Gargantia is concerned, Chamber and Ledo are going to be leaving at some point.

And what's going to happen then is the pirates/whoever are going to target them for revenge.

Note that the pirates already wanted revenge on Gargantia in episode 3. They're out for blood, so why Gargantians not fully use the weapon they had at the time?

Originally Posted by Ashaman

However, by fighting themselves and making Chamber take a back seat as much as possible, it limits the specticle of Chamber and maintains the status-quo as mcuh as possible because they continue to show that they can defend themselves without relying entirely on the limited time only robot. Plus, the less complete the pirate defeat is, the less humiliation and desire for revenge accumulates.

And what did we get this episode? Chamber single-handedly trashing a handful of pirates ships as well as easily Team-Rocket-ing Lukkage the pirate boss in her feared Lobster Yunboro. The Gargantians may minimized Chamber’s performance a tiny bit, but the result is still the same: the pirates are mightily humiliated by Chamber “the flying Yunboro”, not the ordinary Gargantian force. All that strategy is for (almost) nothing.

Originally Posted by Ashaman

Also they don't properly trust Ledo, so leaving the fleets survival completely in his hands is probably something they want to avoid.

Even if they don’t trust Ledo, he already agreed to help. What else do you think Ledo can do? Suddenly Siding with the pirates he never knew? What I suggested is for the Gargantian higher-ups to allow Ledo and Chamber to hit hard and fast before the pirates fleet is even close to firing range. If somehow Chamber can’t deliver, Gargantia can still prepare their own resources for last resort. Ledo and Chamber’s attacking objective is to disable all their weapons with their lasers first and foremost. If two or three pirates got killed in the process, it’s fine. The pirates were already aiming for Gargantians blood anyway. If the pirates didn’t pull back after Chamber’s attack, then Gargantia can deliver the second wave of attack. See? Simple but effective strategy: not entirely dependent on Ledo and Chamber, but fully utilizes them.

[Giriath]

Originally Posted by LostSome

I hope they won`t go for the "evil" rulers here...
I can definitely see enough reasons for problems between Avalon and the natives without the bad rulers excuses.

Oh no, not the evil, dystopian rulers. I detest fictional dystopias that are somehow ruled by evil entities that go kekeke, rather than impersonal and unbiased systems that can only be interpreted as evil because they aren't perfect.

A recent example that in my opinion does it horribly is Psycho Pass.

Spoiler:

I was so impressed with the computer-controlled system that enforced the dystopian conditions, and then it was introduced as "people" who exempted themselves from those conditions, insisted they were indeed impersonal and unbiased and yet went kekeke while doing so...

Another recent show that in my opinion does it well is Shinsekai Yori.

Spoiler:

Here the system is prioritized over the differing opinions and preferences of the people, to such a degree that some who suffer because of it accept the fate imposed on them by the system, even if it kills them or people dear to them.

The adults uphold and enforce the system, but they are all equally subject to it.

[Xion Valkyrie]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

Note that the pirates already wanted revenge on Gargantia in episode 3. They're out for blood, so why Gargantians not fully use the weapon they had at the time?

And what did we get this episode? Chamber single-handedly trashing a handful of pirates ships as well as easily Team-Rocket-ing Lukkage the pirate boss in her feared Lobster Yunboro. The Gargantians may minimized Chamber’s performance a tiny bit, but the result is still the same: the pirates are mightily humiliated by Chamber “the flying Yunboro”, not the ordinary Gargantian force. All that strategy is for (almost) nothing.

Even if they don’t trust Ledo, he already agreed to help. What else do you think Ledo can do? Suddenly Siding with the pirates he never knew? What I suggested is for the Gargantian higher-ups to allow Ledo and Chamber to hit hard and fast before the pirates fleet is even close to firing range. If somehow Chamber can’t deliver, Gargantia can still prepare their own resources for last resort. Ledo and Chamber’s attacking objective is to disable all their weapons with their lasers first and foremost. If two or three pirates got killed in the process, it’s fine. The pirates were already aiming for Gargantians blood anyway. If the pirates didn’t pull back after Chamber’s attack, then Gargantia can deliver the second wave of attack. See? Simple but effective strategy: not entirely dependent on Ledo and Chamber, but fully utilizes them.

Well, Ledo intervened a bit more when it looked like Gargantia was going to lose to the lobster.

Anyways, one thing to consider is that keeping the status quo is extremely important to these people specially in the times they live in. Anything that disrupts the status quo is going to be greatly feared, because it would make people face the unknown, and people fear the unknown the most.

Making a 'spectacle' would completely destroy the status quo that Gargantia is living by. Right now Rackage just assumed Chamber was a slightly more advanced Yunoburo, so she didn't pay it much attention. Had Ledo not pulled off his last maneuver she probably wouldn't be any the wiser. Having knowledge of Chambers spread is extremely dangerous. Other groups will start going after Gargantia just to try to get Chamber, especially because there's no way for them to know Chamber is automated. They'll think as long as they can get Ledo separated they can steal Chamber. This would just invite many more attacks on Gargantia, which is something Gargantia wants to avoid at all costs. As shown in Episode 3, Chamber was unable to detect the submarines that the pirates used, allowing the Pirates to board Gargantia and cause damage.

Then there's the issue of politics amongst other fleets. If the other fleets knew of Chamber, their relationship with Gargantia would change. If Gargantia had any enemies before, those enemies would Chamber as a rallying point against Gargantia, which could drastically affect trade relations. People who are interested in Chamber would try to negotiate to trade Chamber's 'services' by withholding vital supplies that Gargantia might need.

Having chamber pulverize everything is basically putting up target on Gargantia, and the Gargantians do not want to deal with the issues that would come with it.

Also, they don't know anything baout Ledo at all except from what Amy told them. Ledo might not help the pirates but he could just leave whenever he wanted to since as far as they knew Ledo had no reason to stay.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by Xion Valkyrie

Well, Ledo intervened a bit more when it looked like Gargantia was going to lose to the lobster.

Anyways, one thing to consider is that keeping the status quo is extremely important to these people specially in the times they live in. Anything that disrupts the status quo is going to be greatly feared, because it would make people face the unknown, and people fear the unknown the most.

Making a 'spectacle' would completely destroy the status quo that Gargantia is living by. Right now Rackage just assumed Chamber was a slightly more advanced Yunoburo, so she didn't pay it much attention. Had Ledo not pulled off his last maneuver she probably wouldn't be any the wiser. Having knowledge of Chambers spread is extremely dangerous. Other groups will start going after Gargantia just to try to get Chamber, especially because there's no way for them to know Chamber is automated. They'll think as long as they can get Ledo separated they can steal Chamber. This would just invite many more attacks on Gargantia, which is something Gargantia wants to avoid at all costs. As shown in Episode 3, Chamber was unable to detect the submarines that the pirates used, allowing the Pirates to board Gargantia and cause damage.

That so-called status-quo was already shattered when Chamber vaporized the pirates in episode 2. Furthermore, pirates attacking a “civilian” fleet like Gargantia with their entire power is not exactly routine either. So, the battle itself already signify that the status quo is already broken. They’re already facing the unknown at that point. Like I said many times before, the pirates already out for blood. They’re targeting the lives of the people aboard Gargantia. In that case, Gargantia might as well go all out by ordering Ledo & Chamber to neutralize the pirates weapons and scare them ASAP, not taking further abuse from the pirates. Also, with all the incredible features Chamber actually shown in this episode, the news about him will spread whether you like it or not (if the pirates indeed decide to spread it). Adding “spectacle” to it will only add little.

As for the submarines, I think it’s just poor timing coz Ledo & Chamber (by order) took too long to neutralize the pirates vessels. If they’re allowed to neutrality them as fast as they can, they’ll be able to quickly deal with the pirates yunboros the moment they come out of the subs and started crawling Gargantia. After that, what’s left is the Lobster.

Originally Posted by Xion Valkyrie

Then there's the issue of politics amongst other fleets. If the other fleets knew of Chamber, their relationship with Gargantia would change. If Gargantia had any enemies before, those enemies would Chamber as a rallying point against Gargantia, which could drastically affect trade relations. People who are interested in Chamber would try to negotiate to trade Chamber's 'services' by withholding vital supplies that Gargantia might need.

Having chamber pulverize everything is basically putting up target on Gargantia, and the Gargantians do not want to deal with the issues that would come with it.

Gargantia can always show good-will to other non-pirates fleet and say that they got outside help to defend themselves against the pirates. It’s up for other fleets to believe them or not. There’s nothing Gargantians can do about that. Also, now that Ledo seem to trust Gargantians more than others (and most likely won’t attack them), the Gargantians can always say this to other fleets: “Chamber and its pilot is not one of ours. If you want its help, feel free to speak with the pilot.” and basically washed their hands off the upcoming issues with other fleets. If others fleets request it, Gargantian leaders should show that Chamber can move by itself and only obey Ledo, plus it will destroy anyone who will try to harm Ledo. Done deal.

Originally Posted by Xion Valkyrie

Also, they don't know anything about Ledo at all except from what Amy told them. Ledo might not help the pirates but he could just leave whenever he wanted to since as far as they knew Ledo had no reason to stay.

Even if, at that point, Ledo left them, nothing is changing. The pirates will still attack them full-force and aim to kill and Gargantia also already prepared their own resources for full-scale battle. But since Ledo already promised to help, why not use him and his mecha to its full potential and avoid any lost?

[Xion Valkyrie]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

That so-called status-quo was already shattered when Chamber vaporized the pirates in episode 2. Furthermore, pirates attacking a “civilian” fleet like Gargantia with their entire power is not exactly routine either. So, the battle itself already signify that the status quo is already broken. They’re already facing the unknown at that point. Like I said many times before, the pirates already out for blood. They’re targeting the lives of the people aboard Gargantia. In that case, Gargantia might as well go all out by ordering Ledo & Chamber to neutralize the pirates weapons and scare them ASAP, not taking further abuse from the pirates. Also, with all the incredible features Chamber actually shown in this episode, the news about him will spread whether you like it or not (if the pirates indeed decide to spread it). Adding “spectacle” to it will only add little.

The status quo was shattered, but that doesn't mean they don't want to return to it. Had there been no survivors from the pirate side and they were able to get rid of Ledo and keep the whole thing on the down low, then they could return to the status quo with none the wiser.

Gargantia's strategy for the battle was also a desperate ploy to return to the status quo. Had they minimized the involvement of Chamber and succeeded in driving back the pirates, it'd be more of a story of the incompetency of the pirates as opposed to Chamber's power. Rackage also didn't seem that impressed with Chamber until he pulled both her lobster and her two side ships into the air and started swinging them around.

Gargantia can always show good-will to other non-pirates fleet and say that they got outside help to defend themselves against the pirates. It’s up for other fleets to believe them or not. There’s nothing Gargantians can do about that. Also, now that Ledo seem to trust Gargantians more than others (and most likely won’t attack them), the Gargantians can always say this to other fleets: “Chamber and its pilot is not one of ours. If you want its help, feel free to speak with the pilot.” and basically washed their hands off the upcoming issues with other fleets. If others fleets request it, Gargantian leaders should show that Chamber can move by itself and only obey Ledo, plus it will destroy anyone who will try to harm Ledo. Done deal.

The thing is, now that Gargantia has Ledo, they don't want to lose him to another fleet, because that upsets the status quo AND puts them into an even more unfavorable position. There's the fact that they don't really know how attached Ledo is to Gargantia either. This is not a position they want to be put in, hence why their desperate attempts to return to the status quo.

Once they showcase Chamber both pirates and other fleets will probably attempt to send in spies to get more information about the situation. Ledo is not going to be with Chamber 24/7 if Gargantia is going to try to integrate him into their fleet, so that creates many opportunities for outside interests to attack.

Also, until all of the pirates fully comprehend the power of Chamber, they'd still keep on attacking Gargantia in order to exact revenge or to steal Chamber. Even if Chamber was able to fend them all off most citizens would rather not get attacked in the first place. They might feel Gargantia has become a beacon for pirates to move against and split off into other fleets. All these issues are exactly why the Gargantians were so desperate to return to the status quo, even if it's impossible.

Even if, at that point, Ledo left them, nothing is changing. The pirates will still attack them full-force and aim to kill and Gargantia also already prepared their own resources for full-scale battle. But since Ledo already promised to help, why not use him and his mecha to its full potential and avoid any lost?

To them, losing some of their people is an acceptable loss if it means they have the possibility of returning to the status quo. They're pretty ingrained in their way of life and they don't want to embrace the possibilities that the existence of Chamber creates.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by Xion Valkyrie

The status quo was shattered, but that doesn't mean they don't want to return to it. Had there been no survivors from the pirate side and they were able to get rid of Ledo and keep the whole thing on the down low, then they could return to the status quo with none the wiser.

Gargantia's strategy for the battle was also a desperate ploy to return to the status quo. Had they minimized the involvement of Chamber and succeeded in driving back the pirates, it'd be more of a story of the incompetency of the pirates as opposed to Chamber's power. Rackage also didn't seem that impressed with Chamber until he pulled both her lobster and her two side ships into the air and started swinging them around.

If what you said is right and that Gargantians desperately want to uphold the status quo, then they should just order Ledo to obliterate all the pirates and make sure there’s no pirate survivors to spread the word about Chamber. Ledo already favor the Gargantians to some degree, so Gargantians can just talk more sense into him and advise him to stay at Gargantia and stay low until he get what he wants and left peacefully. The Gargantians should also do the same and keep the existence of Ledo & Chamber a secret in the fleet circle.

Yet, the above didn’t happen.

Originally Posted by Xion Valkyrie

The thing is, now that Gargantia has Ledo, they don't want to lose him to another fleet, because that upsets the status quo AND puts them into an even more unfavorable position. There's the fact that they don't really know how attached Ledo is to Gargantia either. This is not a position they want to be put in, hence why their desperate attempts to return to the status quo.

Once they showcase Chamber both pirates and other fleets will probably attempt to send in spies to get more information about the situation. Ledo is not going to be with Chamber 24/7 if Gargantia is going to try to integrate him into their fleet, so that creates many opportunities for outside interests to attack.

Also, until all of the pirates fully comprehend the power of Chamber, they'd still keep on attacking Gargantia in order to exact revenge or to steal Chamber. Even if Chamber was able to fend them all off most citizens would rather not get attacked in the first place. They might feel Gargantia has become a beacon for pirates to move against and split off into other fleets. All these issues are exactly why the Gargantians were so desperate to return to the status quo, even if it's impossible.

Certainly those Gargantians can’t have everything. They have to choose their priority. 1) If they really want peace after what happened in episode 2, then they should just ask Ledo to slaughter all the pirate witnesses. 2) If they want to remain in the status quo without “losing their humanity” by massacring those pirates, then they should just fight with their own power without Ledo’s help (and got slaughtered instead ).

As for not losing Ledo & Chamber to other fleet, let me repeat myself “Ledo already favor the Gargantians to some degree, so Gargantians can just talk more sense into him and advise him to stay at Gargantia and stay as low as possible until he get what he wants and left peacefully. The Gargantians should also do the same and keep the existence of Ledo & Chamber a secret in the fleet circle.” Either that, or they can try getting rid of Ledo by poisoning him and face the risk of Chamber’s retaliation. IMO That’s all they can do (for now).

Originally Posted by Xion Valkyrie

To them, losing some of their people is an acceptable loss if it means they have the possibility of returning to the status quo. They're pretty ingrained in their way of life and they don't want to embrace the possibilities that the existence of Chamber creates.

If they’re willing to sacrifice their own people just for a “sense of security” then hell, so be it. But so far, I only see it as unnecessary lost.

[Kaoru Chujo]

I think the Gargantians not wanting to destroy a longtime modus vivendi with the pirates makes sense. But I also think it is possible that Ledo ended up doing the wrong thing both times: first by using too much force, then by using too little.

First, he shamed and outraged the pirate queen by destroying her attack group. She came for revenge in this episode and failed, so it may be hard for her to give up without being smashed. Might have been neater to treat the pirates as non-humans, as the Avalonians do their enemies (which are non-human). But the Gargantians weren't used to that, and held him back. So he went too far the first time, and they didn't let him go far enough this second time.

[andyjay729]

Again, I like all the political theorizing this series is generating.

That said, here's a sweet little pic to remind us why we're all really watching this show, even if we don't want to admit it.

http://www.donmai.us/posts/1402318?t...v%3Aquayafreen

[Guido]

I recall about ten to fifteen pages ago when discussion was brought up about the strong possibility that Ledo and his fellow soldiers were genetically engineered.

I feel more and more agreeing with that theory. Ok, why I brought this into topic again?
People out there are debating whether is for the Gargantia's crew best interests to survive and have Ledo destroy all the entire pirate fleet along with its crew.

Going with the theory about Ledo being genetically engineered, if he was by artificial means conceived, raised, and conditioned to be a soldier then that's what he knows or what he knew to be.
Before accidentally arriving to Earth, Ledo knows to be a soldier and when to pull the trigger. To him the battlefield is to total the enemy in its entirety in order to survive another day. Of course, being human Ledo just can learn and acquire new knowledge from experience and being prone to the potential of opening himself towards others in relationships.

What I mean is I speculate that in his previous setting, Ledo led a life bound to rules and parameters, resembling a closed environment, whose everyday actions and decisions reflected the difference between life or death.

Now, he's stranded on Earth in close contact and proximity with people borned and raised in a different environment. When it comes to do battle in Earth his way of thinking and courses of actions are logical and the best fit to him in order to dispose totally the threat as soon as possible, if those decisions would make negotiations with the Gargantia go smoother and coming with a positive resolution.
While his way of thinking may seemed the most logical choice at eliminating the enemy in the previous episode to the crew of the Gargantia it did not.

They won't shed blood needlessly, and, moreso, if such violent actions encourage the rest of the pirates to retaliate in bloody vengeance like what Lukkage attempt to do in the third episode.

So, what happens in the current episode?

Ledo learns from Bellows to exert caution and restrain in his actions at dealing with the enemy so as only to destroy in order to incapacitate their forces and oblige them to surrender rather than killing them outright. Well, that's what I think.
Doing so, left the Gargantia's high command opened to grant him enough trust for negotiations to continue at a stable pace, though some like Ridget, for example, hold their reservations against him.

[PreSage]

Originally Posted by calorie

Oh yeah, by the way, didn't Chamber say something about limited energy reserves in the first episode? It's as if they've all forgotten about that by now -- they're blowing up shit with lasers and flying where in the beginning Chamber was concerned about even getting up and moving around IIRC.

I think those lightning-creating crustaceans that provide the Earth inhabitants power may somehow be used to re-energize Chamber and send them back in space or something later.

On another thought, news of Chamber's power and defeat of the pirates will spread to other colonies. These other colonies may feel anxious that Gargantia, with such overwhelming power in their possession, may go on a conquest. Things will not stay quiet as Bellow and the commanders may hope.

[Xion Valkyrie]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

If what you said is right and that Gargantians desperately want to uphold the status quo, then they should just order Ledo to obliterate all the pirates and make sure there’s no pirate survivors to spread the word about Chamber. Ledo already favor the Gargantians to some degree, so Gargantians can just talk more sense into him and advise him to stay at Gargantia and stay low until he get what he wants and left peacefully. The Gargantians should also do the same and keep the existence of Ledo & Chamber a secret in the fleet circle.

Yet, the above didn’t happen.

Most people in general, especially those that adhere to the status quo, tend to be reactive rather than proactive. Their natural instinct to a pirate assault is to defend, rather than attack. The idea of obliterating their enemies is totally outside their comprehension. If they would jump at the chance to obliterate their enemies they'd be either pirates themselves or a more warlord type fleet, rather than a fleet of nomad scavengers.

There's also the idea that most people will fight to defend themselves, but very few people can actually take the initiative and go attack first. Most people can't really reconcile killing another person unless it's through self defense and desperation.

Certainly those Gargantians can’t have everything. They have to choose their priority. 1) If they really want peace after what happened in episode 2, then they should just ask Ledo to slaughter all the pirate witnesses. 2) If they want to remain in the status quo without “losing their humanity” by massacring those pirates, then they should just fight with their own power without Ledo’s help (and got slaughtered instead ).

As for not losing Ledo & Chamber to other fleet, let me repeat myself “Ledo already favor the Gargantians to some degree, so Gargantians can just talk more sense into him and advise him to stay at Gargantia and stay as low as possible until he get what he wants and left peacefully. The Gargantians should also do the same and keep the existence of Ledo & Chamber a secret in the fleet circle.” Either that, or they can try getting rid of Ledo by poisoning him and face the risk of Chamber’s retaliation. IMO That’s all they can do (for now).

If they’re willing to sacrifice their own people just for a “sense of security” then hell, so be it. But so far, I only see it as unnecessary lost.

They're confused by something they've never seen or experienced before that completely shattered the status quo that they've been holding on to. The education level in general doesn't seem very high and the fear of the unknown prevents them from making the best decisions because they don't see the pros/cons the way a more experienced commander, or the audience, would see it.

[MeoTwister5]

One thing that intrigues me the most about the episode is the concept of gratitude. Apparently that concept was all but abandoned in Ledo's space society.

So yeah, what happened to his timeline that humanity no longer understands the meaning of gratitude?

Ledo's militaristic background and the revelation in episode one that you had to earn your place and rank suggests that human society in his world had gone towards a more militarist "meritocratic" path. Perhaps a result of war, but the lack of the concept of gratitude suggests that no one in his timeline acts anymore out of a free will sense of altruism. I'd have to assume that Ledo's society is one where everyone acts according to what is demanded of them, where everyone pulls their own weight, where every action done by an individual is something that should be expected of them. In this society, every action is is an expectation, so no thanks is necessary.

That's probably why he doesn't know the meaning of the word "thank you."

[Xion Valkyrie]

Originally Posted by MeoTwister5

One thing that intrigues me the most about the episode is the concept of gratitude. Apparently that concept was all but abandoned in Ledo's space society.

So yeah, what happened to his timeline that humanity no longer understands the meaning of gratitude?

Ledo's militaristic background and the revelation in episode one that you had to earn your place and rank suggests that human society in his world had gone towards a more militarist "meritocratic" path. Perhaps a result of war, but the lack of the concept of gratitude suggests that no one in his timeline acts anymore out of a free will sense of altruism. I'd have to assume that Ledo's society is one where everyone acts according to what is demanded of them, where everyone pulls their own weight, where every action done by an individual is something that should be expected of them. In this society, every action is is an expectation, so no thanks is necessary.

That's probably why he doesn't know the meaning of the word "thank you."

Gratitude might exist in Avalon, but not in the military because their only purpose is to follow orders. They're pretty much expendable soldiers in the fight against an unsurmountable enemy, so anything that doesn't contribute to the efficiency of their fighting prowess is probably unnecessary and filtered out.

[MeoTwister5]

Originally Posted by Xion Valkyrie

Gratitude might exist in Avalon, but not in the military because their only purpose is to follow orders. They're pretty much expendable soldiers in the fight against an unsurmountable enemy, so anything that doesn't contribute to the efficiency of their fighting prowess is probably unnecessary and filtered out.

But he seems genuinely ignorant about the concept, suggesting that gratitude was never a thing he had to grow up with. So unless he grew up entirely in the military, which leads credence to the human cloning bit suggested by some posters, society would have weeded out gratitude to prevent people from understanding it.

[Xion Valkyrie]

Originally Posted by MeoTwister5

But he seems genuinely ignorant about the concept, suggesting that gratitude was never a thing he had to grow up with. So unless he grew up entirely in the military, which leads credence to the human cloning bit suggested by some posters, society would have weeded out gratitude to prevent people from understanding it.

I think the first episode suggested they they are brainwashed while they are in their cryosleep, so even if they were not cloned and made to be soldiers from birth, the concept of gratitude was probably erased through the brain washing.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by Xion Valkyrie

The education level in general doesn't seem very high and the fear of the unknown prevents them from making the best decisions because they don't see the pros/cons the way a more experienced commander, or the audience, would see it.

I've been waiting for this answer .

Yep, lousy strategy can only stem from lousy head (that was my point since I first posted in this thread). But exactly how "stupid" can they be for not realizing the opportunity to attack as-hard-as-they-can and as-fast-as-they-can when they got the upper hand (Ledo & Chamber) as a form of self-defense? Sure, if they object with taking many pirates lives, they can just ask Ledo to disable their weapons. But they didn't do that until their asses got whooped a bit by the marauding pirates' cannons and Yunboros. Don't they understand about "timing"?

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by MeoTwister5

One thing that intrigues me the most about the episode is the concept of gratitude. Apparently that concept was all but abandoned in Ledo's space society.

So yeah, what happened to his timeline that humanity no longer understands the meaning of gratitude?

It's not. Chamber was able to explain it easily enough. Saying "thank you" may be forgotten, though.

[SQA]

Err... I think some of you missed the dialogue. He was picking up "Thank You" because it was the first Japanese word he was hearing repeatedly. He asked what they kept repeating. It's a pretty obvious place to start actually speaking the language, as the utility is quite high.

I didn't see anything to suggest his society lacked gratitude. Roasted meat, however, they seem to lack. (All hail the food pellets?)

[~Yami~]

great story.... Chamber is chasing away those pirates in amazing way and destroy their pride successfully

I think the pirates will come again but they won't be the main villain

[ReddyRedWolf]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

It's not. Chamber was able to explain it easily enough. Saying "thank you" may be forgotten, though.

Or the word rolls strangely to Ledo's tougue. His culture has its own words of thank you.

But think of it this is the first time Ledo truly felt appreciated. His culture's appreciation is what four weeks to eat, sleep normally and have sex in a place he didn't want to go to?

If the promo art about his life before that battle with the unisex shower is any indication the guy is desensitized about the female body.

Chamber noted Ledo did not show the expected reaction of a guy about to get shore leave.