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If you want to connect Isshin with Kaien you might do better to focus on the Fall of the Shiba clan and the debt Kuukaku had to Urahara. Isshin would almost fit right in as an elder brother to her.
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2008-08-23, 01:08 | Link #202 |
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Weird theories. Myself, I imagine that Urahara had to hide the Hougyoku inside someone, before Rukia. Consequently, Isshin, who volunteered for it, became a renegade and lost his powers. The Hougyoku is known to drain a shinigami's power. After having it in him for so long, once Urahara took it from him (Perhaps because Isshin felt terrible being unable to protect his wife), it took a long while for him to find his powers back, whilst Urahara tried to find a replacement body: Rukia.
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2008-08-23, 04:28 | Link #205 | ||
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2008-08-23, 09:05 | Link #207 | ||
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Isshin is going to have a back story according to Kubo at ComicCon
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Also the gigai which was given to Rukia drain shinigami powers and make the user a human soul . The whole process is fast and it takes place in matter of months . There is no reverting back from it . Urahara's original plan was to fuse Hogyoku in Rukia's Human soul making it impossible to retrieve. The bottom line is Hogyoku would have been lost forever .Isshin has been in Karakura for atleast 15 years going by that if indeed he was given Rukia Type Gigai the, Hogyoku would have fused with his soul .Impossible for even Urahara to retrieve and transplant. Also its safer for the Hogyoku to be with a Shinigami who is lost in sand of time (Isshin) than be to with a Rogue Shinigami who SS is eventually going to come after (Rukia) .
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2008-08-23, 10:45 | Link #208 | ||
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Well, Isshin knows about the Vaizards.
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Isshin may not have been an official, or might have not become a renegade. He could have been a shinigami lost in the sands of time, as you suggest, and was therefore ideal for Urahara. |
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2008-08-23, 12:49 | Link #209 | ||
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But he does not know all the facts. His talk with Urahara has him spouting the SS version of the events that make it sound like they were the ones who willingly did the expairiments that made them Vizzards. He also claims that both Urahara and he have been looking for thier base, which looks more then a little like Urahara's training grounds, and that he has first hand experiance with Azein's proto arancar for over decades and seems to show a knowlage of them on par with Urahara, since he is able to more or less give a full and acurate report just from a 2 min fight with GF. Urahara also seems to treat him as a equal or perhaps a someone of higher status then he himself is.
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2008-08-23, 12:59 | Link #210 |
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*rambling mode on*
I'm gonna guess Isshin was General of division 0 and is therefore ridiculously powerful, if not like commander or something who knows, it probably doesn't even rank the same as gotei 13, seeing as you have to be (or probably) captain in gotei 13 probably before you even get considered to be promoted to royal guard it would seem. (I would say captain division 0 but seeing as how its a promotion there has to something above captain, commander / general or something) Just throwing this out there for the hellovit. What if that captain Hikifune or whomever got promoted to division 0 was Ichigo's mom? I dunno, it always bugged me that Masaki was just a mere human and just died like that...seeing as how Isshin had a dirty secret, it wouldn't surprise me that Masaki did / does too. She supposidly made everyone around her happy and imo I think it kind of explains why Hiyori didn't accept Urahara early on. I mean there could be lots of reasons and Hikifune isnt actually important at all other than being grounds to setup Urahara's coming-to-be captain, but everything is connected some how, I think. *rambling off* |
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The Hogyoku was transferred into Rukia when Urahara was exiled from SS . That event take place 100 years before Bleach timeline .Hogyoku was [B]not[/BE] placed inside Rukia in the Human World .
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If Rukia had stayed any longer in that Gigai her soul would have turned human and then would have completely fused withe Hogyoku thanks to the Gigai . Then even with the Sokyoku or the by Urahara's method Aizen wouldnt have been able to separate Hogyoku from Rukia's soul .
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2008-08-24, 10:30 | Link #212 |
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In the 'turn back to pendulum' chapter, Ukitake and Shunsui talk about how they're going through captains pretty quickly, and says the squad 3's captain retired, and squad 12's captain was promoted.
Could Isshin be the retired captain? Perhaps he went off into the real world, fell in love, became a human so hollows nor soul reapers could track his spiritual presence, and then because of that lost his wife? Maybe he met Urahaha when he came to the real world with Tessai and the Vizards? Its a stretch, but a possibility, eh? |
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Isshin bears a remarkable resemblance to Ganju. Ichigo looks like both Kaien and Kukkaku. I think he is from the Shiba Clan. I think he'd already left SS before the Pendulum Arc. I believe Urahara met him when he got to the living world. |
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2008-08-26, 12:46 | Link #216 |
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We know for one thing, that also Shinji doesn't know Isshin, so if Isshin was a captain, it was way back.
(When Shinji tries to persuade Ichigo to join the Vaizard, Isshin appeared to fight Grand Fisher. Shinji makes a surprised face when sensing Isshins reiatsu because of its strength, but he also states, that he doesn't recognize "that Shinigami's reiatsu"). |
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2008-08-29, 20:22 | Link #219 | |
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what we know for sure 1) he is a captian class shinigami 2) Shinji could not ID him by his powers 3) Urahara treats him with a good deal of respect 4) he has a long history of dealing with the arankaru going back decades 5) He doesn't seem to know the truth about the vizzards but has been looking for them. 6) Rukia is unable to ID him. Spoiler for may containe spoilers:
less soild facts 7) Isshin and his children look like many members of the Shiba Clan 8) Urahara implies he is the one that sealed Isshin's powers and is worried he would be blamed if Isshin was weaker for doing it.
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