Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei LN - Archived Discussion

[blackwhite67]

Originally Posted by bludvein

Her magic condenses all the light in the area into rays that goes from point A to B. The darkness is a helpful side effect of concentrating the light. Outside the rays would be visible unless she added other magic to darken the area. Something that should be well within the realm of her capability as a magician that excels in light-based magic.

At least im pretty sure that's how it works.

Originally Posted by hakazee

okay i am wrong imagining her magic.



that line really makes my imagination gone wild.




from now on, I assume she can shoot lasers whenever she want

You made a slight mistake there, but this part's the most difficult to imagine.

Originally Posted by whsie

There is some new info on Maya Yotsuba's magic from Volume 8 (same as Web 4 that I summarized). It explains some interesting details and why this magic is among the strongest in the world.

The official name is Meteor Line.

Spoiler for Meteor Line:

The reason Maya has the title of the "Far Eastern Maou" or "Empress of the Night" is due to the effects on light whenever this magic is activated. This magic is able to directly affect the distribution of light and especially in indoors and other enclosed settings (e.g a subway), there can be special powers.

To a magician, the process would be a sudden darkness with various small dots of light. These dots of light would converge towards the opponent and then skewer them to their death (matches the description of my summary of Web 4).

Initially, one would believe that this magic is some sort of accuracy based, ranged attack. In truth, the attack power of this magic lays not in the light itself or even the energy of the light.

The technical aspects are a bit difficult to explain, but from what I read, it seems that the light's true purpose is to change the natural attribute or"information" of whatever it passes through.

Side Note: In many ways, this is "true" magic to the Yotsuba. You're changing the nature of the information. End Note.

The net result is that regardless of the original attribute of the object whether it's insular, hard, soft, bouncy, organic, whatever, anything will get pierced.

Even a window that is highly transparent, if it isn't 100% transparent and even reflects a spec of light, it can be pierced through.

Analyzed at a deeper level, the change is made at the magic and physical level (sorry, I forgot the exact terms). In many ways, it can be classified as a disintegration magic that evaporates at the gas level (I'm reminded of Ichigou's "Explosion" magic).

If the target itself emits some sort of light, it automatically locks-on. When this happens, it cannot be forcibly broken or even reflected. Furthermore, because the dots of light surround the target from every angle, even if a barrier is erected, it's still useless. Even if the target is able to completely surround himself in a barrier, it can likewise with 100% accuracy skewer the target by penetrating through the barrier.

Essentially, this magic is unaffected by any sort of interference magic. Likewise, it's equally impossible to counter this magic with another magic. Light in itself is nearly impossible to interfere at the spiritual level. Even if the target is proficient enough to interfere with light, that target itself must specifically be stronger than Maya's control over light to successfully supersede her. Of course, Maya has been manipulating light for her entire life. To even think about beating Maya at light is more or less an impossible task.

The moment this magic is activated, the change in attribute of the target is already an unchangeable fact.

Side Note: In essence, if you truly want to beat Maya, you have to prevent her from activating this magic. In many ways, you have to beat her while she's in her "casting" stage, which lasts for like .3 seconds if even that long, and wrestle control of light away from Maya. But... Maya has been working with light for her whole lifetime, so good luck with that. End note.

Even the Phalanx defensive magic of the Juumonji clan that can block both magic and physical objects is unable to defend against it. Because of this, Maya is undefeated in fights against other magicians and hence earned her place among "The Strongest Magicians in the World".

However-, Meteor Line is a magic that interferes at the physical or magical level and changes them. Tatsuya's Disintegration magic is a magic that works at the deepest information level and hence it directly counters Maya's magic.

Final Note: I'm not 100% sure about this. It's just my speculation here. The reason why Maya's magic is able to penetrate the endless layers of Phalanx is possibly due to the fact that all the barriers emit some sort of light and can all be penetrated at once to the target's body.

On the other hand, the reason why Phalanx is considered a counter to Tatsuya's Disintegration is because Tatsuya works "one object" at a time- a layer of barrier, a tank, a missile, a human, etc.

Also, I've checked. There is indeed a chapter of the young Yotsuba sisters. It's named the "Untouchables". I didn't read it all, but I've glanced over the ending and I could tell that it matched the summary given by someone earlier. In other words, it's not a story with a happy ending.

[hakazee]

Originally Posted by blackwhite67

You made a slight mistake there, but this part's the most difficult to imagine.

hey hey don't give me a new headache
Can you explain it in more simple way ?

[blackwhite67]

Originally Posted by hakazee

hey hey don't give me a new headache
Can you explain it in more simple way ?

Fine. Basically, Maya gives the light the quality of "disintegrating all objects regardless of their properties." So it isn't that the light is a laser so much as it is rendered capable of piercing anything it touches.

[Von Himmel]

Lasers that can pierce anything, isn't it basically that?

[Chirst]

Got a special picture

Spoiler for pic:

[Oxide]

Originally Posted by blackwhite67

Fine. Basically, Maya gives the light the quality of "disintegrating all objects regardless of their properties." So it isn't that the light is a laser so much as it is rendered capable of piercing anything it touches.

light itself is just a proxy however to my understanding only part of information body affected by the light is actualy rewritten ... contrary to that Tatsuya can collapse whole structure without any kind of proxy ... this to my understanding is the difference between unique personal clasified decomposition magic and pinnacle of magic called structural interference mentioned by miyuki in vol 8

on occasions Tatsuya use really similar principle to cover use of his decomposition magic ... for example back in first arc at blanche headquaters he use really similar technique using as a proxy signals/waves or w/e it was called shot by his own cad, also in yokohama incident he applied it to his hands and chopped his way out ... everything to narrow down the effect and cover its true nature

[blackwhite67]

Originally Posted by Oxide

light itself is just a proxy however to my understanding only part of information body affected by the light is actualy rewritten ... contrary to that Tatsuya can collapse whole structure without any kind of proxy ... this to my understanding is the difference between unique personal clasified decomposition magic and pinnacle of magic called structural interference mentioned by miyuki in vol 8

on occasions Tatsuya use really similar principle to cover use of his decomposition magic ... for example back in first arc at blanche headquaters he use really similar technique using as a proxy signals/waves or w/e it was called shot by his own cad, also in yokohama incident he applied it to his hands and chopped his way out ... everything to narrow down the effect and cover its true nature

Maya's magic is a lot like Ancient Magic in the way it uses light as a medium and the fact that it takes a long time to cast. Three seconds, which might as well be forever in the heat of combat. Comparing it to Decomposition, it's a hell of a lot slower, but it has two advantages. The first is that once successfully cast it moves at the speed of light so there's no time to react. The second is that it is impossible to block in the first place even the Juumonji's Phalanx can't block it. Decomposition is easier and faster to use, but Meteor Line is more absolute as a finishing blow.

[bludvein]

It's not a 3 second cast. Not sure where you got that from.

[blackwhite67]

Originally Posted by bludvein

It's not a 3 second cast. Not sure where you got that from.

I'm sure someone said that. In any case, I'm quite sure it takes a while to cast.

[hakazee]

Originally Posted by blackwhite67

Fine. Basically, Maya gives the light the quality of "disintegrating all objects regardless of their properties." So it isn't that the light is a laser so much as it is rendered capable of piercing anything it touches.

I call it a laser to make it easier to understand

Originally Posted by blackwhite67

I'm sure someone said that. In any case, I'm quite sure it takes a while to cast.

Originally Posted by whsie

Side Note: In essence, if you truly want to beat Maya, you have to prevent her from activating this magic. In many ways, you have to beat her while she's in her "casting" stage, which lasts for like .3 seconds if even that long, and wrestle control of light away from Maya. But... Maya has been working with light for her whole lifetime, so good luck with that. End note.

3 seconds or .3 seconds ?

[kagato3]

No it is near instant or she can cast it while haveing an agument. As Maya lashed out with it fast enough for it not to be commented that she was casting. as the "fight" was "do what I say.", "no.", bam night, bam night broken.

[blackwhite67]

Originally Posted by whsie

Side Note: In essence, if you truly want to beat Maya, you have to prevent her from activating this magic. In many ways, you have to beat her while she's in her "casting" stage, which lasts for like .3 seconds if even that long, and wrestle control of light away from Maya. But... Maya has been working with light for her whole lifetime, so good luck with that. End note.

Ah. Sorry about that, but still I think that is slower than Tatsuya's casting speed for various reasons. First, Miyuki's casting speed using a school-grade CAD was a little more than 0.25 seconds and I think we can assume that Tatsuya is just as fast with his Decomposition, especially with his own specialized CAD. Second, Decomposition is his BS magic so he should be especially fast with it. Third, Decomposition is composed of five steps so he can use Flash Cast to cast it instantaneously. Fourth, during his confrontation with Maya he successfully neutralized her magic despite the fact that she had a head start in casting.

[whitecloud]

I wonder how the other sage deal with meteor line?

[blackwhite67]

Originally Posted by whitecloud

I wonder how the other sage deal with meteor line?

Not all sages are superhuman magicians and it's not like they live next door and have reunions so it's unlikely that they'll have to fight her.

[hakazee]

Originally Posted by whitecloud

I wonder how the other sage deal with meteor line?

Don't underestimate the magic of other sage. until now we still don't know their magic.
they may not be a sage without special abilities.

[bludvein]

The "sages" aren't some kind of rank for magicians. All it means is that they have backdoor access to a global monitoring system. A sage could be a complete wimp magically.

[whitecloud]

If I don't mistaken isn't sages is supposed to be the composed of the strongest magician in the planet? Even maya is not the strongest? (I wonder..meteor line is already hax enough) of course with exception of tatsuya decomposition magic..

[bludvein]

Maya is one of the strongest, but thats not what makes her a sage. I don't know how to make it any simpler without just repeating myself. Sages have access to knowledge, and whether they are strong or not is irrelevant to the title.

[mucen]

Why are you assuming all the sages are magicians...

[EnigmaticAxiom]

Originally Posted by whitecloud

If I don't mistaken isn't sages is supposed to be the composed of the strongest magician in the planet? Even maya is not the strongest? (I wonder..meteor line is already hax enough) of course with exception of tatsuya decomposition magic..

You are mistaken.

Originally Posted by bludvein

Maya is one of the strongest, but thats not what makes her a sage. I don't know how to make it any simpler without just repeating myself. Sages have access to knowledge, and whether they are strong or not is irrelevant to the title.

What he said.