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View Poll Results: Suzumiya Haruhi (2009) - Episode 05 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 54 | 13.99% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 20 | 5.18% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 23 | 5.96% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 25 | 6.48% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 27 | 6.99% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 16 | 4.15% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 10 | 2.59% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 8 | 2.07% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 7 | 1.81% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 196 | 50.78% | |
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2009-07-14, 23:13 | Link #1001 | |
Cross Game - I need more
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: I've moved around the American West. I've lived in Oregon, Washington, Utah, and Oklahoma
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In episode 2 the joke was that it was improperly tied- probably because Haruhi wanted some Mikuru fanservice (which is why Mikuru was particularly embarrassed that iteration). |
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2009-07-14, 23:53 | Link #1002 |
Japanese Culture Fan
Join Date: Nov 2008
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Wow. 1000+ posts already. I wonder if this Haruhi season will have an episode to surpass Code Geass R2 ep 25's post count.
Also, I'm curious to see how the next episode is handled. It'll be extremely amusing if it is animated "Lucky Star style", "Clannad style", or even outsourced to SHAFT. Last edited by Tempester; 2009-07-15 at 00:31. |
2009-07-15, 00:22 | Link #1003 |
Gamilas Falls
Join Date: Feb 2008
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The thing is, we still can't predict what they are going to throw at us next. It will likely be "just the same thing" again. But if things are different, they will surprise us. Either they will end the looping, or they could do one of the obvious not ending loops that is different than the others...but then we'd know it wasn't the end...wouldn't we? They've already surprised us by making this story loop so many times.
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2009-07-15, 00:26 | Link #1004 |
Name means little...
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Well, think of it this way. KyoAni has already made the call 4 weeks ago perhaps regarding what's to have happened, so we pretty much have a pre-determined event that is only a crossroad because we're not given enough information about what's to come. The irony is, just when you think that "maybe there's the possibility of say more endless Eight", KyoAni, who has more information has already decided and has done the work... so you thinking of this possibility has no sway to what actually shall happen.
So, the chance of looping or not is subjective, but the reality that KyoAni has already animated the episode is an objective result, and the two don't really have to tie together at all~ let us all cheer at a case of KyoAni's waveform collapse, done before the viewers know of anything. So.. "What is observed certainly exists; about what is not observed we are still free to make suitable assumptions. We use that freedom to avoid paradoxes." (von Weizsäcker)
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2009-07-15, 01:01 | Link #1005 | |
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2009-07-15, 01:59 | Link #1007 | |
Koh nara dekiru!!!
Join Date: Jul 2009
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I mean come on, can't take a little more Endless Eight? How long has it been since the first time the 10th volume was delayed? Well, it could be worse... at least the author hasn't died (other book series have had it worse...). So rage/chill... do w/e you want... but I'm just gonna wait for the season to end and then make my own call |
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2009-07-15, 02:05 | Link #1008 | |
Helvetica Standard
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Vancouver, BC
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For KyoAni to make it this infamous and meaningful makes me think they're putting some extra energy into the series. It's frustrating for some people and I understand that, but I praise them for developing the feel of the series. Now of course I'll stand corrected if they really do drop the ball like some people think they will, but I'm optimistic that they appreciate how well loved this series is and will do a good job with the next stories. |
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2009-07-15, 02:51 | Link #1011 | |
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Age: 32
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What I mean is that the characters themselves, besides Yuki, feel like they are living life normally and are relatively unaware of all the same tasks they did in previous cycles. They get the deja vu feelings, but that is about it. So like I said, we can only feel exactly the way Kyon feels, in the episode of these cycles. Otherwise our perspectives become more in line with Yuki (Who is relatively unconcerned about ever fixing the loop in the first place and thus already makes it impossible to feel like she does unless you want to just observe Haruhi and Kyon over and over and over again).
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2009-07-15, 03:02 | Link #1012 | |
Koh nara dekiru!!!
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If you're saying that we can only understand the way Kyon's feels because that is the perspective from which the story is told, regardless of it being the anime or light novel... then I'd have to disagree. |
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2009-07-15, 03:09 | Link #1013 | |
Bittersweet Distractor
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Well I disagree, because you can't really grasp what is going through Kyon's head exactly if we look at all these loops animated over and over again since Kyon himself feels like he is living life like he always does (Except for the deja vu feeling). If we see multiple loops, we have already put distance between Kyon's perspective and our perspective.
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2009-07-15, 03:46 | Link #1014 |
Gamilas Falls
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Perhaps this isn't to see Kyon's perspective for once, but to suffer the pain of the loops. This could be seen as a dare situation and Kyon just doesn't have the perspective to see it all, but he can imagine it I think. In the end, this could be Kyon's mental image of what it must have been like, repeating the same events, over and over, and over again. That might (in story) be why we haven't seen any event changes, because the final Kyon didn't experiance any of the really different worlds.
However that could all change this week...or the next....or the next....
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2009-07-15, 04:14 | Link #1015 |
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Strange goals these companies apparently have now.
Anyway speaking of which if there's an emotional impact that's supposed to be a part of this arc (and it doesn't really strike me as there is but for one character) that is so all important then I don't feel like they've accomplished it at all. The fact that it's just the exact same events happening over and over in the episode and that none of it ever gets reflected on in the characters because they never have the time to really react before the loop resets, so there really is no room for the emotional impact in the first place doesn't help either. Maybe they could have just once shown the characters reacting as things lead up to the inevitability and maybe a hint of panic or despair instead of just Kyon giving his wishy washy line about not doing homework it could have given it that emotional oomph, but I bet they don't ever do anything like that and it's just a blunt abrupt end to the reset this week so that they can have their whole people feeling relieved that it's finally over gimmick while having drawn attention to the show. In any case it's amazing that they've gone over this for four episodes now and yet haven't been able to pull much of anything new out of it in the process of each reset. That was something that Higurashi actually managed to do real well, but it feels like Kyoani has done absolutely nothing new with the majority of this arc repetition. What a waste, that's really what it feels like. I mean I could completely imagine that there's some high genius meta referential level kick in all of this like Kyoani is supposed to always deliver something like that every time (as if), but based on what I actually do know and what I've seen I think I've finally arrived at a conclusion of just what is really going on. I can't believe I didn't realize this before, but it's as simple as executive production level choice that they wanted to use as a gimmick to draw attention back to the show now that it's airing (after all they didn't have much of an advertising run), but other than at least doing a great job at that (we're talking from a purely commercial publicity standpoint which admitedly Kyoani and Kadokawa actually are geniuses at when they work together if that's to be celebrated highly in these circles, which it seems it is at least in their case. Not so much others), they clearly haven't really thought out all that well how it would be received from a quality and Haruhi fan standpoint looking for more experiences and stories with the characters and getting to know them even more. Obviously they know that their are those fanboys that will defend them no matter what and so it's okay, but what about the other group that is actually just looking for a good show with the same flair and character auspicion that the first season had going on pretty damn well. It had it's own style, but it never felt like it was just about the gimmicks because it brought intrigue to the characters and how they reacted to the situations and people that they interacted with. Thing is this season it's not working well on that front and I don't see how it ever could given just how far Kadokawa seems to have reached into the franchise with a purely commerical interest now (it's been proven as successful and a good cash cow). See that's the problem when you mix commercialism in that heavily with your products like Kadokawa/Kyoani does, it's practical from a business standpoint, but it causes quality to go down on the entertainment and overall artistic standpoint because it places them second behind what draws commercial attention to the product and the brand. In some cases though it even just flat out ignores the idea of solid storytelling and character progession and just goes straight for the commercial gimmick. That's what's happening here in my opinion and I kind of hope it's just this arc otherwise we will be in for a strange ride this season IMO. And okay sure these episodes still are animated well and feature new footage each time, but from a character progression standpoint it's a miserable failure. It's wasteful. If I just wanted to play spot the difference then I'd get the menu at my local restaurant and do it. I came for a bit more here (and I never asked for much from this franchise) and yet it's still managing to disappoint. Really hope they change it or can at least do one iteration that actually adds something new to the whole experience. And I mean before it ends so as to at least partially vindicate the idea that they apparently needed to use this many episodes to theoretically accomplish one little thing with one specific character. Last edited by Kaioshin Sama; 2009-07-15 at 04:57. |
2009-07-15, 05:53 | Link #1017 | |
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2009-07-15, 06:03 | Link #1019 |
Name means little...
Graphic Designer
Join Date: Dec 2004
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Unfortunately, what mokuseimaru and I have said here are all subjective observations based on the information available in our hands. I have a set of wave function, just as mokuseimaru does, and both holds truth given the different subset of information that we are working with and considering in our own 'localized' view. The interesting thing is, the moment that the episode is aired, we would have waveform collapse according to Copenhagen view as we'd be shown what is to rightfully exist...
The sad thing is, our knowledge of the system only permits us to say that state (|loop>) and state (|termination>) are the choices in the hands of the animators and that the outcome will be relayed to us by broadcast. The probability of (|loop>)+(|termination>)== 1. Whether or not if a NICE BOAT comes along to delay the transmission of the result is of no consequence to the decided outcome... By the way, you cannot have (|loop>) && (|termination>), it is (|loop>) XOR (|termination>) when we see it as TV broadcast schedule has not allowed for (|loop>) && (|termination>) to be shown after all. so... let nature run its course, ok...?
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