Gundam Seed/Seed Destiny General Discussion Thread

[Rising Dragon]

If Mu uses the Perfect Strike during his fight with Rau, I don't think a lack of change would be all that jarring. When they fought in the first incarnation of the show, he used the Launcher Strike. Furthermore, Rau is one of the best MS pilots in the show...

[Gundamx]

Originally Posted by Destined_Fate

Yes, the scene was cut out from Destiny, it isn't new and was very brief. It just shows Sinn running, it didn't show the part when Kira ruined his life when he accidently kills Shinn's family during the fighting. That may still be shown though, or not.




Don't joke about something as lame as that, they wont kill Shinn off in the SEED HD remake. Believe it or not Shinn was actually very popular in Japan(Obviously not as popular as Jesus Yamato but he had SEED hype to ride on into Destiny) and Shinn x Lunamaria was also one of the most, if not most, popular couples by the time Destiny ended. They aren't going to kill off the guy who'll make them more money when they do a SEED Destiny HD remake, though hopefully by than they'll take a page from the SRW book and change things since they aren't being rushed to get Destiny out.

Except Kira didn't kill his family...

[Rising Dragon]

It was left ambiguous, with a slight bias towards Kira having fired the fatal shot (airborne, more projectiles fired, wider spread) instead of Orga.

Unless it was confirmed via word of god that Kira wasn't the one who blew up Shinn's family by accident. As if Kira hasn't had enough of the blood on his hands washed off by now.

[tetsuo69]

really liked the perfect strike animation, to bad kira didn't get to pilot it.

[monster]

Originally Posted by kaito-kid

It will be an improvement to the continuity I think. For the people who are watching Seed for the first time, his appearance as the new chairman in Destiny would make a little more sense I guess.

The thing is that Durandal didn't become Chairman until some time after SEED. So having him show up and make a speech at the end of SEED doesn't make any sense. It's essentially introducing a character that doesn't have any actual role. Giving him a speech would make it worse.

But, like I said, a visual non-speaking cameo like Shinn's could work as long as it fits the context. Do we even know what Durandal was doing during SEED?

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

If Mu uses the Perfect Strike during his fight with Rau, I don't think a lack of change would be all that jarring. When they fought in the first incarnation of the show, he used the Launcher Strike. Furthermore, Rau is one of the best MS pilots in the show...

But that's exactly it, Launcher Strike doesn't really have much to fight with against the GuAIZ. Perfect Strike at least has the beam rifle, the beam saber, and the anti-ship blade.

Even if Mu ends up losing, he should still provide a better fight with the Perfect Strike.

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

It was left ambiguous, with a slight bias towards Kira having fired the fatal shot (airborne, more projectiles fired, wider spread) instead of Orga.

Actually, rather than being ambiguous, I've always thought that the original scene was supposed to show that the clash of weapons fire from both mobile suits was what resulted in the explosion that caught Shinn's family.

After all, Kira wouldn't have missed a standing target, and since we know that Calamity was left intact, something must have happened to Freedom's shots.

[Rising Dragon]

Originally Posted by monster

Even if Mu ends up losing, he should still provide a better fight with the Perfect Strike.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by monster

Actually, rather than being ambiguous, I've always thought that the original scene was supposed to show that the clash of weapons fire from both mobile suits was what resulted in the explosion that caught Shinn's family.

After all, Kira wouldn't have missed a standing target, and since we know that Calamity was left intact, something must have happened to Freedom's shots.

I don't think the armament setup for the Freedom and the Calamity would really allow for that kind of aerial clash--we've only seen that phenomenon happen like... once, with the Strike Freedom's multi-phase beam cannon and the Destiny's heavy cannon. Two singular shots. Assuming the projectile color means the same, then one of the Freedom's plasma cannon shots would've had to hit the Calamity's multi-phase beam cannon shot and have held there long enough for the explosion. Outside of space, Kira in the Freedom isn't that big on staying stationary against a singular opponent.

So no, I find it more likely that a stray shot of Kira's, maybe a deflected railgun shell, hit the ground next to/on top of the Asuka family.

[monster]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Assuming the projectile color means the same, then one of the Freedom's plasma cannon shots would've had to hit the Calamity's multi-phase beam cannon shot and have held there long enough for the explosion. Outside of space, Kira in the Freedom isn't that big on staying stationary against a singular opponent.

So no, I find it more likely that a stray shot of Kira's, maybe a deflected railgun shell, hit the ground next to/on top of the Asuka family.

Kira doesn't need to stay stationary. They both fire, the shots came in contact and caused explosion, and in the mean time Kira is again fighting Raider and Forbidden.

The Strike Freeedom vs Destiny standoff scene is not necessary to cause an explosion.

That said, having just rewatched the scene, I think you're right that it has to be Freedom's shot. Calamity was seen between Freedom and the Asukas. Now, they both moved, so we don't know the orientation, but a weapons clash would've exploded in the sky and not do as much damage on the ground.

[monster]

I just found out Strike Rouge is using IWSP in the eyecatch. Wow, are they actually going to show that in the series? I thought Cagalli couldn't use it?

And another thing, I didn't realize Perfect Strike was going to use all of its addons. I thought they were going to mix and match.

[Meltyred]

Originally Posted by monster

The thing is that Durandal didn't become Chairman until some time after SEED. So having him show up and make a speech at the end of SEED doesn't make any sense. It's essentially introducing a character that doesn't have any actual role. Giving him a speech would make it worse.

But, like I said, a visual non-speaking cameo like Shinn's could work as long as it fits the context. Do we even know what Durandal was doing during SEED?

Before Durandal was chairman, he was wearing shades like a quattro and going around breaking free experimental coordinators and telling them to slay the ultimate coordinator to prove their worth and stuff.

Seriously...

[Gundamx]

Originally Posted by Meltyred

Before Durandal was chairman, he was wearing shades like a quattro and going around breaking free experimental coordinators and telling them to slay the ultimate coordinator to prove their worth and stuff.

Seriously...

Didn't he done that as revenge for Kira killing Rau?

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by monster

Do we even know what Durandal was doing during SEED?

Dating Talia?

[kaito-kid]

Originally Posted by monster

The thing is that Durandal didn't become Chairman until some time after SEED. So having him show up and make a speech at the end of SEED doesn't make any sense. It's essentially introducing a character that doesn't have any actual role. Giving him a speech would make it worse.

But, like I said, a visual non-speaking cameo like Shinn's could work as long as it fits the context. Do we even know what Durandal was doing during SEED?

Durandal was actually very active in Seed. For example he was good friends with Rau (He provided the pills) and he was already working on the Destiny plan. He even knew about the ultimate coordinator project and might have even worked on it. And he predicted what Kira would become and how he would be a threat to the Destiny plan. He tried to eliminate Kira using Canard Pars, but Canard failed.

Sure, I know that introducing a character towards the denouement of the story is not a great idea, but if you look at Seed and Destiny as one big story, it would make sense.

Originally Posted by Destined_Fate

Yes, the scene was cut out from Destiny, it isn't new and was very brief. It just shows Sinn running, it didn't show the part when Kira ruined his life when he accidently kills Shinn's family during the fighting. That may still be shown though, or not.

I don't know how you can blame Kira for this.. War ruined Shinn's life, not Kira.

Originally Posted by Destined_Fate

Don't joke about something as lame as that, they wont kill Shinn off in the SEED HD remake. Believe it or not Shinn was actually very popular in Japan(Obviously not as popular as Jesus Yamato but he had SEED hype to ride on into Destiny)

This is true. contrary to popular belief, Shinn was actually a popular character in Japan.

Originally Posted by Destined_Fate

and Shinn x Lunamaria was also one of the most, if not most, popular couples by the time Destiny ended.

ehhmm.. no.. I'm pretty sure they weren't.

[Rising Dragon]

At most I think we can expect a brief silent cameo from him during a speech or something, similar to how we got a brief silent cameo from Shinn.

[GN0010 Nosferatu]

Ok, I'm confused, the HD episode that just came out was episode 36 right? I saw screens of the Perfect Strike taking down Strike Daggers, but they don't appear till episode 37 right?

[Rising Dragon]

Strike Daggers appeared just after the JOSH-A arc.

[casval cehack]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

Dating Talia?

Playing with Talia's heart to be exact.

I'm looking forward to a Lunamaria cameo.

[Rising Dragon]

A cameo from Luna is less likely than a cameo from Durandal. Durandal and Shinn are far more important to Destiny's plot and therefore more likely (in Durandal's case) to appear than Lunamaria.

[monster]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

Dating Talia?

Nah, Talia's son was old enough in Destiny that they would've had to had separated before SEED.

Originally Posted by kaito-kid

Durandal was actually very active in Seed. For example he was good friends with Rau (He provided the pills) and he was already working on the Destiny plan. He even knew about the ultimate coordinator project and might have even worked on it. And he predicted what Kira would become and how he would be a threat to the Destiny plan. He tried to eliminate Kira using Canard Pars, but Canard failed.

Sure, I know that introducing a character towards the denouement of the story is not a great idea, but if you look at Seed and Destiny as one big story, it would make sense.

Well, I thought you were talking about a short cameo. I'm okay with turning Durandal into a full-blown minor SEED character that shows what he's doing during SEED.

But if we're talking about a short cameo, like Shinn's, I'd rather it be a non-speaking appearance, perhaps showing him in a lab somewhere being notified of the end of the war. I definitely don't think a speech is appropriate for a short cameo.

[Rising Dragon]

If we get a cameo of Durandal involved in a speech, he'll likely be listening to one of Canavar's, if it's after the war. One of Patrick's, if during. Unlikely to have one of his own.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

If we get a cameo of Durandal involved in a speech, he'll likely be listening to one of Canavar's, if it's after the war. One of Patrick's, if during. Unlikely to have one of his own.

Little role like Ribbons Almark in 00?