Could It Be Possible to "Manufacture" Humans?

[roriconfan]

Won't creating humans be the equalevent of turning people into robots anyone can create? Thus, won't the creation of humans lead to the extinction of humans?

[Cipher]

Originally Posted by roriconfan

Won't creating humans be the equalevent of turning people into robots anyone can create? Thus, won't the creation of humans lead to the extinction of humans?

I don't know, maybe robots would be the ones creating humans later on(out of boredom or something)...and then vice versa. Then MAYBE someday humans and robots would also start "creating" worlds, planets, and maybe even universes! ---wow, isn't that an idea?

[roriconfan]

Isn't that the Matrix?
Existence will be a game of creativity.

[Vexx]

Ya'll should watch a series called Eve no Jikan if you haven't already (5 episodes). Its an interesting exploration of some of the ethical dilemmas.

[Cipher]

Why are created with the requirement of inhaling oxygen? ---I hope possible future"artificial" humans won't need to do that.

[Kafriel]

Well gotta make energy somehow...it would be either oxygen or hydrogen Can't have an inexhaustible supply of power without breaking the laws of physics.

[SaintessHeart]

Originally Posted by Vexx

Spoiler for long:

Heh, you realize that every single word in that pseudo-programming represents an entire tier and library of subprograms, fuzzy logic, evaluations based on previous evaluations, etc.

You might take a look at Kalman Filtering if you're interested. Its used in almost all avionics for smart navigation systems and more recently in neural systems research (as more neural researchers arrive with engineering and physical sciences degrees).

Spoiler for Summary Description of Kalman Filtering:

The Kalman filter is an efficient recursive filter that estimates the state of a linear dynamic system from a series of noisy measurements. It is used in a wide range of engineering applications from radar to computer vision, and is an important topic in control theory and control systems engineering. Together with the linear-quadratic regulator (LQR), the Kalman filter solves the linear-quadratic-Gaussian control problem (LQG). The Kalman filter, the linear-quadratic regulator and the linear-quadratic-Gaussian controller are solutions to what probably are the most fundamental problems in control theory.

Part of my career was spent working on flight avionic systems modeling for B-52 and Shuttle systems (same flight computers) which I later used in the early '90s as a descriptive model to help neural researchers at a research lab get comfortable with modeling the brain's balancing and locomotion systems. One of those 'multi-discipline' moments of serendipity (looks like he's done very well since then).

Spoiler for Summary Description of fuzzy logic:

Fuzzy logic is a form of multi-valued logic derived from fuzzy set theory to deal with reasoning that is approximate rather than precise. In contrast with binary sets having binary logic, also known as crisp logic, the fuzzy logic variables may have a membership value of not only 0 or 1. Just as in fuzzy set theory with fuzzy logic the set membership values can range (inclusively) between 0 and 1, in fuzzy logic the degree of truth of a statement can range between 0 and 1 and is not constrained to the two truth values {true (1), false (0)} as in classic propositional logic.[1] And when linguistic variables are used, these degrees may be managed by specific functions,

Used fuzzy logic and recursive feedback as the basis of a smart inertial stationkeeping system to run on the MMU ("jet backpacks") astronauts use for outside work on the Space Station.

The 1980s and 1990s were an interesting busy time for me...

My brain needs a couple of months to process all these.....I have been working in an office for too long and my complex analysis functions in my brain have been put on "long term hibernation till 2080". Time to wake up my bloody idea.

That piece of "programming" was actually written in an essay long time ago in order to prove to my friends that our GP teacher is useless. It is actually a VERY simple set with lots of assumptions, but I guess it could be applied to building a robot with a "human nature" of a generic high-schooler.

[Cipher]

Originally Posted by Kafriel

Well gotta make energy somehow...it would be either oxygen or hydrogen Can't have an inexhaustible supply of power without breaking the laws of physics.

your forgetting food. if food is fuel...what is oxygen?

[C.A.]

Originally Posted by Cipher

your forgetting food. if food is fuel...what is oxygen?

Oxygen is needed for the chemical processes taken place in respiration.

The human respiration system is just like a car engine, fuel + oxygen + ignition = energy.

Food is fuel, oxygen is needed for the chemical reaction and ignition is done in the mitochondria.

[Cipher]

Originally Posted by C.A.

Oxygen is needed for the chemical processes taken place in respiration.

The human respiration system is just like a car engine, fuel + oxygen + ignition = energy.

Food is fuel, oxygen is needed for the chemical reaction and ignition is done in the mitochondria.

so Oxygen is ignition?

[C.A.]

Originally Posted by Cipher

so Oxygen is ignition?

Combustion and respiration, the chemical process involving reaction with oxygen to produce energy, I'm sure you learn that in school.

The fire triangle shows the 3 factors involved in created a fire or energy.

You need fuel, oxygen and heat, fuel and oxygen reacts when heat is enough to ignite them.

[Kaze]

Originally Posted by Gaara7171

If we could make a human then men wouldn't need women not women wouldn't need men because the whole reason women go out with men is because they wnan't children. So if women stop going out with men. Men will become lonely and want a mate to have "intimate relations" with them. Men will then use the created humans as slave for there own desires. Now with men creating female slave the men will be the first to declare war on the real remales and the females will try to offer peace because women don;t wont a war. Well too bad because the thing no artifical female or real female can never beat men at is war. So in the end the male race would of enslaved both artifical and real female race.


So happy Ending.
and yea I know. So good it makes you cry

Woah....what?
You should lay off the sci-fi movies, this isn't Dune we're talking about here ya know!

[Arbitres]

Kaze, ignore it. That.... thing is even lower then me. Can it even qualify as a defect let alone a sentient life form?

[mindovermatter]

Originally Posted by Arbitres

Kaze, ignore it. That.... thing is even lower then me. Can it even qualify as a defect let alone a sentient life form?

I think it was supposed to be a joke anyway.

[Kaijo]

To answer the title question, we'd need to establish just how we plan to "manufacture" humans. Men and women manufacture humans all the time, and there really isn't much you can do to improve the process.

If you're talking about growing a human in a vat, it's just a test tube baby and would be human. With any human, you need donor material, so anything you grow is a clone at best, and still would be human, even if you tweak the DNA.

But ultimately the question is moot; human or robot, the real question is: Is the being sentient and does it possess self-awareness? "Manufactured" human or robot, and regardless of bigotry, the being would be deserving of equal rights to a normal human.

[Tom Bombadil]

Originally Posted by Kaijo

To answer the title question, we'd need to establish just how we plan to "manufacture" humans. Men and women manufacture humans all the time, and there really isn't much you can do to improve the process.

Well, I beg to differ on the last statement. Since KFC is manufacturing massive amount of chickens, why can't humans be "manufactured"? Case in point, China in 1960s and 70s, or maybe current India in some regions. You just need to give them just enough food, a lot of brain wash, and zero condom. The population will double, triple in a decade or two.

[Kaijo]

Originally Posted by Tom Bombadil

Well, I beg to differ on the last statement. Since KFC is manufacturing massive amount of chickens, why can't humans be "manufactured"? Case in point, China in 1960s and 70s, or maybe current India in some regions. You just need to give them just enough food, a lot of brain wash, and zero condom. The population will double, triple in a decade or two.

In the context of manufacture, then, you're just referring to the old tried and true method of sexual reproduction, which I don't believe is what the initial poster was referring to.

[thevil1]

I may not fully under stand this topic, but wouldn't a robot with human like emotions/actions be considered an Artificial Intelligence (AI) which is not defined as being human. Just human-like to a certain extent.

The advantage that we would have over them is that we are born from another living, grow up as a living being, and die as a living being. Those parts of life are the fundamentals to learning.
I think that the only way we can understand death is because we can understand life, and the value of life. That is one thing that AIs will never be able to understand since they lack those experiences.

[Cipher]

Now, I'm thinking about the definition of "human". I think we presumptuously draw an unnecessarily line between A.I Robots and Humans. The origin to this is the idea that "Humans" are "natural" lifeforms whereas robots aren't. But then aren't we a product of nature ourselves? And aren't ourselves part of nature? Doesn't this invalidate this discriminating argument?

In a very special way, Humans = Robots.


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@Theevil1

How do AI's not understand these experiences? They themselves were manufactured.

One could answer the OP Title in this way:

Yes, it is possible. Humans are evidently existing now, therefore, in a way, we are all "manufactured".

[Mute]

It's kinda scary. You'd be defying God. (If you're a believer that is)