2008-06-25, 03:14 | Link #2181 | |
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true suzaku could try the MLK method...but it is very risky as i think that britannia would have no problems killing any protesters. sounds like something britannia would do...prime example = suzaku |
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2008-06-25, 03:18 | Link #2182 | |
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2) Suzaku is the only example of being given a rank for merit, and don't forget that he had the support of Lloyd and Euphemia. To Schneizel and Charles, Suzaku is still a useful tool, nothing more. And Britannia still openly exercises inequality between real britannians and honorary citizens and numbers. |
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2008-06-25, 03:27 | Link #2183 | |
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2) let's see the KoR...all ranking officers...viletta...not to mention in order to receive the the crown...the person must prove they are worthy of it...yes there is still inequality but in the eyes of britannia, the japanese are not deemed worthy since they lost the war. |
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2008-06-25, 03:33 | Link #2184 | |
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Lelouch was divided on whether he should follow Diethard's suggestion or not, he hadn't made a final decision and CC's objection made him analyze his options even more. He said he wondered why CC objected because she was aware that he could Geass Li and the rest of them into accepting but she objected anyway. |
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2008-06-25, 03:46 | Link #2185 |
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ok ill admit that britannia takes race into account
however....LL wasn't divided on whether he should follow his suggestion...he was going to do it (he was already planning on how to explain the marriage to other people) until the girls objected. |
2008-06-25, 07:28 | Link #2186 |
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Lulu is somewhat right when Suzaku is predictable.
Right now, Suzaku goes first with VARIS then if it is blocked, he goes and switches to his Hadron which makes a sitting duck for a few moments. He relies on the Hadron too much especially against more manueverable foes.
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2008-06-25, 07:39 | Link #2187 | |
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2008-06-25, 08:44 | Link #2188 | |
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And Suzaku doing evil things is not? Please, Lelouch spent the whole first season claiming he'll become "evil to destroy evil", and everyone worships him and sees him as a God. Suzaku uses Nunally once and he's the Devil incarnate. Make up your mind, people. Those double standards are really getting annoying. |
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2008-06-25, 09:14 | Link #2189 | |
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I suck at arguing, so please take over this. |
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2008-06-25, 09:20 | Link #2190 | |
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Okay so first I imagine you meant Suzaku in that second sentence. Second, no, "betraying" your best friend is not any more "sick" that some of the methods Lelouch has been using. But then again I guess this is up to interpretation. And finally, I'm not going into this again, but to some of us, there was betrayal on both sides, at least from Suzaku's point of view. Think about it? |
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2008-06-25, 09:29 | Link #2191 |
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People cut Lelouch some slack because of results and that he doesn't lie to himself about what he is doing. Suzaku has done all those "evil" things, betrayed his best friend, etc. to accomplish essentially nothing so far other then farther the oppression of the government he profess to desire to change from within. No goals and no plans other then "I'm going to be Knight of One for the Japanese so Zero isn't needed."
Lelouch on the other hand was on the verge of beating the Britannians in the Black Rebellion, he messed up and made things worst for a year, yet he still came within reach of one of his goals. Then he comes back a year later and is forming an alliance that can rival Britannia. |
2008-06-25, 09:31 | Link #2192 | |
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Suzaku is close to having the ephinpy, right around the last episode when he switches sides. |
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2008-06-25, 09:52 | Link #2193 | |
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2008-06-25, 09:52 | Link #2194 | |
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If Lelouch had achieved nothing for the Japanese, then I would say he is no better than Suzaku, but he has in just a few weeks time with some help from Nunnally reduced the terrible treatment in Area 11 and produced a peaceful haven without Britannian rule for them to live. What has Suzaku achieved? Nothing. If anything he has moved it in the wrong direction, he has a goal yes; but as I just mentioned in the Ep 11 thread, even if Suzaku is able to achieve Knight of #1 status and rule Area 11, Suzaku ruling does not equal a saved Japan. |
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2008-06-25, 09:52 | Link #2195 | ||
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Before Lelouch had power he couldn't do anything either, he just had plans. Results came with power. Now Suzaku has power too, and a plan. But it's not the same. I get it. Quote:
Your backing everything with results results and more results just makes me believe that you see things the way Lelouch sees them. Which would also explain why you won't cut Suzaku some slack too. |
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2008-06-25, 10:07 | Link #2197 | |
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If Lelouch had stopped with the failed Black Rebellion then he'd be no better then Suzaku in my eyes. Yet Lelouch came back stronger then before and made even more progress towards his plans. That is the difference. People can't live on good intentions alone, I can have the best intentions in the world and yet it would amount to nothing if nothing comes out of it. And I only really replied because you seem to think that everyone who hates Suzaku does so unfairly and holds this supposed double standard for him and Lelouch. |
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2008-06-25, 10:07 | Link #2198 | |
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It's not true freedom and liberty. Anything that falls short of true freedom and liberty is not worth anything. It would've been an entirely different matter if Britannia had a very enlightened government and people lived in peace and freedom and equality and the Japanese government was oppressing their own people so Britannia invaded to liberate the people...however the FACT is that this was NOT the case. Britannia invaded to rule over Japan and the sakuradite resource. Yes, results are all that matters, even if Suzaku has good ideas and intentions, as long as there isn't any result its the same as doing nothing at all. Put yourself in the shoes of the Japanese people who are under Britannian rule, think of what you would do and how you would feel if your country was suddenly invaded for no reason at all and you are called only by a number. |
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Besides, how does that help the average citizen? That one million people Lelouch saved? They are all most likely part of the Black Knights now as far as he is concerned. Quote:
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2008-06-25, 10:15 | Link #2200 | |
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....a country doesn't have to be liberated for everything to work out....BAH!!! If thats the way you think, I feel pity for you. |
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