2014-02-20, 17:49 | Link #32941 |
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Were they restraining themselves, or ordered by the president to restrain themselves? The president needed to try hard to not make himself look like an oppressor in this delicate situation. He only acted until the other side looked more like the bad guys.
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2014-02-20, 18:25 | Link #32943 | |
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2014-02-21, 00:49 | Link #32945 |
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He's someone who's trying to equate the European Union with the Nazi regime and who convinced himself to believe that the CIA/EU/whatever is behind the popular uprisings (hint: LOL NO. That is not how the CIA operates, ever, when it wants to topple regimes). Don't even bother.
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Anyway, on the matter of another protest: Court in Thailand Limits Crackdown on Protesters Quote:
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2014-02-21, 01:43 | Link #32948 |
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Facebook to buy messaging app WhatsApp for $19bn
As a WhatsApp user, do you think it's a good or bad thing?
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2014-02-21, 03:51 | Link #32949 | |
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There. I completed the cycle of Chauvinistic Jingoism. Mission Complete!
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2014-02-21, 10:25 | Link #32950 | |
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2014-02-21, 11:03 | Link #32951 |
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Ukraine peace deal signed, opens way for early election
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...A1G0OU20140221 How much time will it hold ? China urges Obama to cancel meeting with Dalai Lama http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...A1K01P20140221
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Finally people can quit sending me Whats App messages that I don't see due to no 3/4G.... If they will be subsumed under FB messenger of course Quote:
Not talking about the Ukraine BTW, just in general.
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2014-02-21, 18:20 | Link #32954 | |
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2014-02-21, 20:21 | Link #32955 | ||
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The Police have failed, and the Army has declared itself neutral while the opposition has made a mockery of the regular security forces...what can the Ukrainian government do at this point besides try to surrender in as unbloody a manner as possible? Quote:
The Ukrainian government has managed to earn two primary character traits in this conflict. Brutal...and weak. People will accept brutality from someone who is strong. People will tolerate weakness in someone who is kind...once people smell weakness from someone they utterly despise...it's like throwing blood in the water around sharks.
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2014-02-21, 20:28 | Link #32956 | |
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1. early election are call 2. Yanukovich's power have been strip by parliament 3. his biggest rival is set to be release form prison. While 70+ have die, this is issue is being resolve by rule of law not a civil war. Which is what is going to happen if the violence starts up again.
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2014-02-21, 20:43 | Link #32957 |
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My impression is that once it became clear that the police were failing, it dawned on Yanukovich that he had only two options: Compromise or double down using the army. But the army is a bit of a wild card and there wasn't any guarantee that they would go along. Yanukovich suddenly sacking army officials only further gives this impression and it's possible that Yanukovich just didn't want to risk it. I also like to think that either Yanukovich and/or Russia learnt from Syria that doubling down could just make things a whole lot worse, but that's harder to say.
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...but lets be honest here. The reason the government is offering the "rule of law" is because they tried to solve this situation by force of arms...and utterly failed. Do you think this would be settled by "rule of law" if the government had managed to crush the dissidents, and didn't have to worry about the opposition coming after them? Hopefully this deescalates the situation...but it's probably gonna have to involve the government not pretending they didn't lose this, and give the angry dissident rioters a reason to keep resorting to force of arms. Cause the government can't afford 50/50 amicable compromise now...not when the opposition are for all intents and purposes winning. Quote:
You're absolute correct. The Army was a wild card. Maybe a mechanized infantry regiment with heavy weapons could have crushed the civilians in the streets...that same infantry regiment could also storm the government capital buildings, and declare a coup...though what makes this scarier for the government, is that it's likely easier for the army to arrest a bunch of old men in suits than to engage tens of thousands of dissidents in urban combat. Which means the non-ideological army officers only interested in restoring order to the country might have simply aligned with the rebels out of convenience.
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2014-02-21, 21:09 | Link #32959 |
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I don't see much of a future for Ukraine as it is currently constituted. There is seemingly little that unites the Ukrainian-speaking west with the Russian-speaking east. Sometimes, as in Belgium, these kinds of fundamental ethnic differences can be accommodated via a federal government structure. Perhaps that would work for Ukraine, but I see schism as a more stable long-term outcome. As an example, look at these maps of the last two presidential election results.
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2014-02-21, 21:21 | Link #32960 | |
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the paraliament that strip Yanukovich's power where made up of opposition members and defectors of Yanukovich own party. majority of these defected when the violence started not when it became clear the police would unable to clear the protester. i think you need to be more specific on who "government" you are referring. Since right form the start not everyone form the "government' is on the same page.
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