School Days - Episode 12 Discussion / Poll [END]

[haiz123321]

From all the anime I've watched... THIS IS THE MOST PATHETIC ENDING EVER!!!

Even though this is just an anime, being happy cause someone is dead is NOT civil at all, so if one day a serial rapist dies, everyone in the world would be having parties to celebrate his death? Even if he's a rapist it is still a LIFE and LIVES are not something that goes away and everyone celebrates it whether that life was good or bad.

I didn't agree with two people dying and even with the censorship, they ruined this anime PERFECTLY, at first I thought maybe he would come clear with both of them and then finally pick one but no, they just had to use two game endings to make one anime ending, same as someone mentioned, I gave this a one because i couldn't find a zero

If you feel offended by this, my apologies

[DragoonKain3]

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Exactly my point, on two different occasions.

One is that life is the most sacred thing IMO. I myself won't nor will ever approve of the death sentence. And to an extent, abortion as well. (though really, I'm too lazy to campaign against either) And I certainly don't approve of death even on the biggest <insert number here>-timing prick on the planet.

And two is that to a lot of people the ending will be tasteless. I myself can only rate it so highly because I love psycho moe, I love bloody endings (ironic no? I call it catharsis), and I love high drama. But to the average viewer? Take out the bloody ending and they'll rate this show above average at best, since the plot REALLY is just so-so. Put in the ending, and you'll get someone whos disgusted by it.

[Nvis]

Finally had the guts (no pun intended) to watch the episode.

This is not even close to the level of Elfen Lied. Not sure why this episode was even delayed

[Joachim]

geee... i can't keep up with the speed in this thread lawl, well i get my answer, makoto said sekai with his last breath.

Anyway, regarding what haiz said, its true that even if someone is a criminal, it is not correct to kill him off, but well lets just say i'm one of the biased (if u want it that way) person who give this episode a 10 because i see what i want to see in the end, well to each own opinion i guess = ) i love the end because ended up with makoto and sekai dead, and u dont like the end and give it one (or zero if there is the option), cheers mate

[Joachim]

Originally Posted by Nvis

Finally had the guts (no pun intended) to watch the episode.

This is not even close to the level of Elfen Lied. Not sure why this episode was even delayed

i'm glad during elfen lied air time there were no real life killing that affect the series, lol i would be chocking myself if the blood in elfen lied turned to black, there is just too many blood there

well anyway can someone confirm whether the story that during the screening (the uncut version) that the blood is red, more stabbing sequence instead of flashback, and the showing of makoto's severed head,and a SFX when kotonoha is playing doctor with sekai's stomach is true or not? call me bloodlust but i think during stabbing and killing moment there is not enough SFX , only makoto's disturbing *blargh voice can be heard (for like 2 seconds?)

[Rembr]

Originally Posted by haiz123321

From all the anime I've watched... THIS IS THE MOST PATHETIC ENDING EVER!!!

The only reason this episode can get a 10 from the vote is cause of the biased people who hates Makoto and if he dies, they give the rating a 10 which is what the developers want regardless whether they think the ending was nice or not. Around 80% of the people watching just wanted Makoto dead, not caring for the storyline so they created a gory, bloody ending to statisfy the viewer's bloodlust while ignoring content.

Even though this is just an anime, being happy cause someone is dead is NOT civil at all, so if one day a serial rapist dies, everyone in the world would be having parties to celebrate his death? Even if he's a rapist it is still a LIFE and LIVES are not something that goes away and everyone celebrates it whether that life was good or bad.

I didn't agree with two people dying and even with the censorship, they ruined this anime PERFECTLY, at first I thought maybe he would come clear with both of them and then finally pick one but no, they just had to use two game endings to make one anime ending, same as someone mentioned, I gave this a one because i couldn't find a zero

If you feel offended by this, suck it up

Er, maybe you should suck it up a bit too, no?

Inability to differentiate between real life and anime is a pretty scary trait...

[Kang Seung Jae]

Originally Posted by haiz123321

From all the anime I've watched... THIS IS THE MOST PATHETIC ENDING EVER!!!

The only reason this episode can get a 10 from the vote is cause of the biased people who hates Makoto and if he dies, they give the rating a 10 which is what the developers want regardless whether they think the ending was nice or not. Around 80% of the people watching just wanted Makoto dead, not caring for the storyline so they created a gory, bloody ending to statisfy the viewer's bloodlust while ignoring content.

Even though this is just an anime, being happy cause someone is dead is NOT civil at all, so if one day a serial rapist dies, everyone in the world would be having parties to celebrate his death? Even if he's a rapist it is still a LIFE and LIVES are not something that goes away and everyone celebrates it whether that life was good or bad.

I didn't agree with two people dying and even with the censorship, they ruined this anime PERFECTLY, at first I thought maybe he would come clear with both of them and then finally pick one but no, they just had to use two game endings to make one anime ending, same as someone mentioned, I gave this a one because i couldn't find a zero

If you feel offended by this, suck it up

Well, I voted 10 because of the fact they made the pregnancy ambiguous. That was in a way, the ultimate "shocker" for me/

As for Makoto coming out clear, it's nearly impossible at this point, given how many times he swtiched back and forth between the two heroines, while managing to fuck several girls on the side. Also, if you consdier how "idealistic" Konohata was, and add in the "selfishness" of Sekai, this could not simply be clear cut.

No, I don't "hate" Makoto, nor do I "like" his death, but given the sequence of events in this anime series, one could say that such an ending is the most logical one, abid a horrible one.

Try thinking about WHY the ending happened, before bashing it by saying 'It's FANSERVICE!"

[Major1138]

Holy crap. That was just nuts. They've all gone off the deep end. Both Sekai and Kotonoha. Right from the get-go, you knew something messed up was going to happen. I'm not sure what to think of this episode, but it was certainly memorable, if only for the fact that right from the first scene you know that they've all gone completely nuts, and everything else that happens just follows from that.

[zheny]

Originally Posted by haiz123321

From all the anime I've watched... THIS IS THE MOST PATHETIC ENDING EVER!!!

The only reason this episode can get a 10 from the vote is cause of the biased people who hates Makoto and if he dies, they give the rating a 10 which is what the developers want regardless whether they think the ending was nice or not. Around 80% of the people watching just wanted Makoto dead, not caring for the storyline so they created a gory, bloody ending to statisfy the viewer's bloodlust while ignoring content.

Even though this is just an anime, being happy cause someone is dead is NOT civil at all, so if one day a serial rapist dies, everyone in the world would be having parties to celebrate his death? Even if he's a rapist it is still a LIFE and LIVES are not something that goes away and everyone celebrates it whether that life was good or bad.

I didn't agree with two people dying and even with the censorship, they ruined this anime PERFECTLY, at first I thought maybe he would come clear with both of them and then finally pick one but no, they just had to use two game endings to make one anime ending, same as someone mentioned, I gave this a one because i couldn't find a zero

If you feel offended by this, suck it up

If every anime is like how real life is, how everyone should follow the law and BS stuff like that then i will never watch anime again. because every anime will be a happy ending where the char lives happy ever after... screw that shit.

yes we are biased and we love the end, why? because is nothing original is something different what we long for. something thats extreme and excites us. not one of your boring happy civil BS ending.

[Cruel]

The thread is still going strong! Hahah! Well, to be honest I wanted like only 1 person to die or go crazy. I was hoping that was a side character like Nanami or someone but it wasn't. I was just hoping it was straying from the obvious KILL MAKOTO!

I'm not dissapointed. The episode was very entertaining. I was just hoping for a little more of a realistic ending I guess. But like most of the viewers, I gave up on it! xD

[Kang Seung Jae]

Just a request: Will people please write clearly? Reading fragmented sentences with misspellings hurts my eyes.

[friedbacon]

Woah! That was one of the best and most disturbing anime endings ever!

Spoiler:

I thought Makoto getting wtfbbq was the violent part but I was not expecting the death of Sekai!

I've watched the episode with a friend of mine and we shouted "holy s$it@!" a couple of times. I just can't believe they could show this on national TV.

[Whitemoon648]

Originally Posted by kyok

I initially rooted for Sekai and didn't care too much for Kotonoha until she was being treated horribly. It's easy to see they made it out as though Sekai and Makoto was really in love, however that wasn't the case. Obviously, Makoto was about having fun, maybe too much.
The more I think about it; the blame seems to point towards Sekai. It's fact that she betrayed both Setsuna and Kotonoha. The anime notions that Sekai could be lying about being pregnant; and for very good reasons. To keep other girls away and trap Makoto, even though Sekai wasn't mad enough to kill him except when he went back to Kotonoha.

It seems to me that Kotonoha is portrayed in this version as the innocent / faithful / virtuous girl that wins out in the end. It's ironic and tragic that the girl Makoto treated so poorly turns out to be the true love.

If the sub translation is correct and Makoto does say "Thank Goodness" with his last breath, it could be argued that he found out she isn't pregnant? Which seems to cause Sekai to come out of her rage.

At the begining Makoto really was in Love with Sekai and also during the whole series Sekai was in love with Makoto. Makoto suddenly started acting like a loser during the series.

Well i dont know why you say that she betrayed Kotohana. It was Makoto that went and pushed her to be his girlfriend. So if any one is betraying, Its MAKOTO. and for Setsuna if you watch the seat exchange episode, you could see that Sekai had forgotten about Setsuna liking Makoto and also in the last episode when you see the flashback of them talking about Makoto, Setsuna doesnt really say She likes him. So no she didnt betray any one.

Kotohana CHEATED on Makoto. If any one was faithfull to Makoto, it was Sekai. And Also i agree with you that Kotohana loved Makoto alot, But i think Sekai loved him even more. In my opinion Makoto loved Sekai more than Kotonaha( for the reasoning behind this please also look at the next part).

It could also be argued that he was glad that she didnt abort his/her kid. In my opinion Makoto loved Sekai alot more than Kotohana. When he was cleaning the food, he was telling himself how much he loved Sekai and wanted to hold and touch her. Then he( indirectly) regrets as why he gave into his desires and did all those horible things to her. I think the only reason Makoto told Sekai that she loved Kotohana was out of feeling guilty about it. I mean remeber kotohana said she was the ONE that seduced Makoto to fall in love with her ( THATS NOT TRUE). Makoto pushed for her being hisgirl friend. As you watch the episode the instance Kotohana sais that Sekai seduced makoto, Makoto's expression changed. So i feel its more out of guilt rather than love for her. Makoto loved Sekai more and he was glad that the baby wasnt aborted.

Well at least all of these are how i saw the episode. People might agree or disagree with it of course.

[Cruel]

Kotonoha never cheated on Makoto... Poor Kotonoha freakin stood by that beast called Makoto and continued to love him.

[Whitemoon648]

Originally Posted by Cruel

Kotonoha never cheated...

She slept with Taisuke. I count that as cheating.

[Kang Seung Jae]

Originally Posted by Whitemoon648

[Kotohana CHEATED on Makoto. If any one was faithfull to Makoto, it was Sekai. And Also i agree with you that Kotohana loved Makoto alot, But i think Sekai loved him even more. In my opinion Makoto loved Sekai more than Kotonaha( for the reasoning behind this please also look at the next part).

Cheated? If you're refering to what happened at the Cultural Festival (which was practically a rape), you're talking nonsense.

[Cruel]

Originally Posted by Whitemoon648

She slept with Taisuke. I count that as cheating.

SHE WAS RAPED... That was not her choice!

[Cogwheim]

I'm not as dumb as Makoto, but I would have, roughly, made the same decisions as he did throughout the anime. All he was trying to do was get a little action. Have a little fun. Wasn't trying to get caught up in all this drama. And then BAM! Gets stabbed repeatedly until he dies. That's wrong. Just wrong.

[Kang Seung Jae]

Originally Posted by Cogwheim

I'm not as dumb as Makoto, but I would have, roughly, made the same decisions as he did throughout the anime. All he was trying to do was get a little action. Have a little fun. Wasn't trying to get caught up in all this drama. And then BAM! Gets stabbed repeatedly until he dies. That's wrong. Just wrong.

So, you're going to sleep around with other girls while keeping up the face that you're the "boyfriend" with Konohata?

[Cruel]

Originally Posted by Cogwheim

I'm not as dumb as Makoto, but I would have, roughly, made the same decisions as he did throughout the anime. All he was trying to do was get a little action. Have a little fun. Wasn't trying to get caught up in all this drama. And then BAM! Gets stabbed repeatedly until he dies. That's wrong. Just wrong.

What happened to being faithful? Being thankful? Makoto's actions were disgusting! He let his urges take full control. At the end I did notice somewhat of a small change. He made that very minute change way too late!

You have to think about how your partner feels. You can't be inconsiderate of them.