Madoka Magica - General Discussion

[mangatron]

Hmm. This whole "my wife" thing reminds me of Fortune Arterial and Kanade's constant "my wife" remarks about her own sister.

Which is always a joke, right?

Originally Posted by Himeji

Quick, before mangatron comes... Tomoe Mami claimed!
Twintails ftw!

Oh my demilled receiver... is she armed? Why is it that I'm always attracted to these armed, deadly girls?

Except for Sae Nakata, lately I've been going after girls with weaponry... maybe I really am M after all

[Fishbait]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Exaggeration much?

Remember Shaft made Setsuna like 100% gayer in the Negima!? adaption than she actually is in the manga?

I don't think they have anything against it, but don't expect it to be a central element of the story either.

Originally Posted by Tempester

I have no problem with yuri in my anime, neither do I take offense to yuri fans who like to pair up certain women in anime. But to those who vehemently oppose the mere presence of men in such anime and treat them as if they are tainting your pure yuri sanctity, I suggest you keep such feelings to yourself.

100% opposed to have any guys in a show is ridiculous, I agree. But I do hope you realize many of those people are not doing so because they're yuri fans, they're just hardcore fans who don't want their potential waifu spoiled by anyone....men or women.

Originally Posted by Starks

How is it speculation if Sayaka is shaping up to be an obsessed lesbian who is claiming Madoka as her own?

That would be...hilarious.....but Homura is the more likely candidate.

Originally Posted by Wilfriback

This make you the one that gets paranoid. I said that because they started to speculate from PVs which barely shows the series is about and the anime hast yet to be aired.
What do you expected Mr. defensive guy?

Did you really have to throw my own words back at me? Given your replies (and the quantity of it) so far, I stand by my previous evaluation of your reaction...

Originally Posted by CrowKenobi

*sigh*

Can we please stop with the yuri speculation until the first episode airs? It's getting tiresome, and I'm starting to get the itch to delete posts that stray from the topic at hand...

Err..what come on. What exactly is tiresome and offtopic about story/character speculation of an upcoming show, and discussion about the company producing it? If animesuki has a strict anti-homosexuality policy, put it in a sticky.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Fishbait

Remember Shaft made Setsuna like 100% gayer in the Negima!? adaption than she actually is in the manga?

I don't think they have anything against it, but don't expect it to be a central element of the story either.

Yes but to get all that from just 5 seconds of a promotional video?

Originally Posted by Fishbait

100% opposed to have any guys in a show is ridiculous, I agree. But I do hope you realize many of those people are not doing so because they're yuri fans, they're just hardcore fans who don't want their potential waifu spoiled by anyone....men or women.

...Isn't that like, a worse thing?

Originally Posted by Fishbait

Err..what come on. What exactly is tiresome and offtopic about story/character speculation of an upcoming show, and discussion about the company producing it? If animesuki has a strict anti-homosexuality policy, put it in a sticky.

Discussions involving Yuri and the likes tend result in some rather zealous response from both parties. It's nice to think that we can all just get along but one-two pages ago people were tearing apart a single line from survey done by a character we had never seen in 'action' before!

A single line!

I have never seen such vicious combat since the days of Vietnam- I mean, [Nanoha]

[RRW]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Discussions involving Yuri and the likes tend result in some rather zealous response from both parties. It's nice to think that we can all just get along but one-two pages ago people were tearing apart a single line from survey done by a character we had never seen in 'action' before!

A single line!

well that what i think so far. it safe assume that it will be generic magical girl show (think CCS). but in good way

[Fishbait]

Originally Posted by rrw

well that what i think so far. it safe assume that it will be generic magical girl show (think CCS). but in good way

Hope not.

There has been SO much hype involving this, especially about its supposed all-star casts among the production team...

I think there will be a lot of upset fans if this turns out to be textbook mahou shoujo. Though personally I'm not quite sure how I'd feel.

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Yes but to get all that from just 5 seconds of a promotional video?

I honestly don't know what you are trying to get at. Speculation is speculation...internet forums wouldn't exist otherwise. I doubt people would get upset if someone speculated that they'll be fighting evil bear calvary in the show. Yet one mention of the evil "y" word, we get some dude piling on paragraphs worth of "it won't happen" and an upset mod threatening to delete on-topic posts?

...Isn't that like, a worse thing?

It is, but you were kind putting all the blame on one specific group of people.

Discussions involving Yuri and the likes tend result in some rather zealous response from both parties. It's nice to think that we can all just get along but one-two pages ago people were tearing apart a single line from survey done by a character we had never seen in 'action' before!

A single line!

I have never seen such vicious combat since the days of Vietnam- I mean, [Nanoha]

At its core, it's no different than the usual shipping wars but some people want to make it more than what it really is. Oh and I am aware of AS's history with Nanoha (and a few others), but does that mean every thread has to be that way eh?

Changes is a good thing and maybe this Madoka thread can be a leader in progressing to a better and more peaceful future.....? lol probably not Haters gonna hate.

[RRW]

Originally Posted by Fishbait

Hope not.

There has been SO much hype involving this, especially about its supposed all-star casts among the production team...

even with all star cast there is chance that they still make generic mohou shojo. they probably have couple of twist, deep character, awesome music, scenery porn etc.

but they still have the formula intact, go to school, meet friend, defeat monster etc

but really so far what i see it seem pretty generic

again how know what will shinbo and shaft will make consider they reputation

[Starks]

Better quality of yesterday's promo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asarO3QJ97I

Also, was the Present section here yesterday? http://www.madoka-magica.com/special...cene_vote.html

[Fishbait]

Originally Posted by rrw

even with all star cast there is chance that they still make generic mohou shojo. they probably have couple of twist, deep character, awesome music, scenery porn etc.

but they still have the formula intact, go to school, meet friend, defeat monster etc

but really so far what i see it seem pretty generic

again how know what will shinbo and shaft will make consider they reputation

Yea but the "problem" is that they have greatly emphasized the importance of keeping the plot under wraps until airing, due to it being an original series, as a big surprise for all the fans. Essentially rendering all of the PVs so far meaningless as far as plot speculation is concerned.

So that's the one hook that's really keeping people guessing and hoping for more than just the average magical girl show. Whether it all turns out to be a big trolling event...or a reverse trolling event.....it's all part of marketing I guess and it's working very well.

[RRW]

Originally Posted by Fishbait

Yea but the "problem" is that they have greatly emphasized the importance of keeping the plot under wraps until airing, due to it being an original series, as a big surprise for all the fans. Essentially rendering all of the PVs so far meaningless as far as plot speculation is concerned.

So that's the one hook that's really keeping people guessing and hoping for more than just the average magical girl show. Whether it all turns out to be a big trolling event...or a reverse trolling event.....it's all part of marketing I guess and it's working very well.

there is one bid problem with this Technic. is much harder to grabs outside audience other than die hard otaku as most of them will think generic show.

casual audience tend to not bother people behind the scene. so that only left with the pv which honestly bit disappointment other than cute character and nice music.

that probably explain why only 2ch chart that the show have high ranking

whether this will be success or not only time will tell

[M.Marangio]

Originally Posted by Starks

Also, was the Present section here yesterday? http://www.madoka-magica.com/special...cene_vote.html

Yes. From December 23 to December 26 you could download a PC/mobile wallpaper.

On December 28 they added the voting section (according to the news).

[Himeji]

Originally Posted by mangatron

Hmm. This whole "my wife" thing reminds me of Fortune Arterial and Kanade's constant "my wife" remarks about her own sister.

Which is always a joke, right?

Doesn't sound like a joke to me
Besides, it's not incest if it's between two sisters, so there's no problem there

Originally Posted by mangatron

Oh my demilled receiver... is she armed? Why is it that I'm always attracted to these armed, deadly girls?

Except for Sae Nakata, lately I've been going after girls with weaponry... maybe I really am M after all

You'll really like my Fighting Girls gallery then, which has girls fighting with various weaponry

Originally Posted by Fishbait

100% opposed to have any guys in a show is ridiculous, I agree. But I do hope you realize many of those people are not doing so because they're yuri fans, they're just hardcore fans who don't want their potential waifu spoiled by anyone....men or women.

I'm certainly not 100% opposed to any guys. I'm just against pathetic, useless dumbos, without which the story would've worked just as well. Example here being Muneguy from Samurai Girls, he was just a waste of air
Examples for decent guys I've got nothing against would be Rito from To Love-Ru or Tomoki from Sora no Otoshimono (besides, he can turn into Tomoko! Yay! )

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Himeji

Examples for decent guys I've got nothing against would be Rito from To Love-Ru or Tomoki from Sora no Otoshimono (besides, he can turn into Tomoko! Yay! )

I can see a connection here- Because Rito had also genderbend before

[applejuice]

Originally Posted by rrw

casual audience tend to not bother people behind the scene. so that only left with the pv which honestly bit disappointment other than cute character and nice music.

that probably explain why only 2ch chart that the show have high ranking

That's all wrong.

The sole reason for this anime being hyped was due to staffs. It was hyped since it was Shinbo + Shaft's first original project. It was hyped due to Urobuchi + Kajiura Yuki + Ume-sensei's twisted combo. A lot of people actually disappointed after the showing of character design and PV, and I was actually surprised that Madoka is still having good expectations in 2ch.

Staff combination and production circumstance is currently the only reason this series is getting so much attention /period

[sirn]

Summary from Megami interview and staff comments

• It was Shinbo who put "Mahou Shoujo" into the title, he feel it would become something else that is not strictly magical girl without it. He want to put Madoka Magica into a "magical girl" category.
• Unlike any previous Gekidan Inukare participation on OP/ED or small clips, they're in charge of visual art designs this time. Their position is to connect director Shinbo's style, Ume-sensei's characters and Urobuchi-san's scripts together.
• The series is 12-episodes, if possible, director Shinbo want you to watch it again one more time after the series has ended, it would become clear why characters act in the way they did.
• Importance is put on to respect Urobuchi-san's scripts as much as possible, there's no major change to his script except for a little time adjustment. At the point of interview, all editing until episodes 3 are done.
• Shaft recruits and set up a new CG production management position for Madoka, main highlight of CG works in this series is Gekidan Inukare's scenes in the show.
• Kashiwada Shinichiro (Shigofumi, Index 1, Railgun) is in charge of production supporting from Aniplex's side; animation producer from Shaft's side is Iwaki Tadao (line producer of Arakawa Under The Bridge 2).
• Yuuki Aoi "Madoka is fluffy cute! She is like a strawberry daifuku!"

Summary of interview with Kalafina (Wakana, Keiko, Hikaru)

• Magia meaning is "magic" but also has "power of believing in someone" as its main theme. Magic that is power to create a miracle. A strength that come from "wish."
• Keiko says she repeat the bridge part as practice until she become used to its unique rhythm. Wakana says since the lyric is powerful, the expression of "weakness and gentleness within the strength" is hard to sing.
• "What pop up in your mind when talking about magical girls?" Wakana "Kiki's Delivery Service and Akazukin Chacha" Keiko "Himitsu no Akko-chan" Hikaru "Card Capture Sakura"

Summary of interview ClariS (Kurara, Alice)

• Connect's main theme is "adventure, comrade, bond and dreams."
• The song is "cool" in an opposite direction from their debut song, Irony.
• "What pop up in your mind when talking about magical girls?" Kurara "Hoshikuzu Witch Meruru" Alice "Not magical girls, but Disney shows like Cinderella, Enchanted and Little Mermaid. I adore princess when I was a child."

[totoum]

Originally Posted by sirn

It was Shinbo who put "Mahou Shoujo" into the title, he feel it would become something else that is not strictly magical girl without it. He want to put Madoka Magica into a "magical girl" category.

With him saying that,I will be disapointed if all we get is a standard mahou shoujo show.

[Kanon]

This still doesn't sound like a show written by Urobuchi. If it weren't for Shinbou's comment, I'd start thinking it's a "regular" magical girl anime after all

Personally, I wouldn't mind that.

[FireChick]

Yuuki Aoi "Madoka is fluffy cute! She is like a strawberry daifuku!"

Win. Right there.

[applejuice]

Originally Posted by sirn

# Shaft recruits and set up a new CG production management position for Madoka, main highlight of CG works in this series is Gekidan Inukare's scenes in the show.

When Gonzo collapsed, there were a lot of rumour that staffs from Gonzo, especially 3D animation department, came to Shaft. I'm much anticipating how Inukare will use these potential techniques into much creative and unique animation.

[sirn]

It depends on how you defines "generic," I think. His exact words are:

タイトルの「魔法少女」にこだわったのは自分なんです。それがないと王道感がなくなるし、王道から外れると なんでもありな作品になっちゃう気がして。ちゃんと「魔法少女」というカテゴリーに入れるものにしたかった 、というのがあります。
It was me who is particular about "magical girl" in the title. I feel the show would lose a generic-feeling without it, and if we lose that generic, it could become anything else altogether. I want make a show that could be put in a "magical girl" category.

Few more points I've missed:

• "Witch" (the enemy) will also use some sort of weapon.
• Gekidan Inukare seems to be in charge of transformation scene?

Originally Posted by applejuice

When Gonzo collapsed, there were a lot of rumour that staffs from Gonzo, especially 3D animation department, came to Shaft.

No they don't. Ex-GONZO 3D staffs are now Sanzigen. Searching for their CG production manager name only come up with Arakawa Under The Bridge 2's as production manager. He describes his position as "3D-related materials management."

[applejuice]

^ Huh. It seems like I missed quite of an information. I guess rumours are rumours.

タイトルの「魔法少女」にこだわったのは自分なんです。それがないと王道感がなくなるし、王道 から外れると なんでもありな作品になっちゃう気がして。ちゃんと「魔法少女」というカテゴリーに入れるもの にしたかった 、というのがあります。
It was me who is particular about "magical girl" in the title. I feel the show would lose a generic-feeling without it, and if we lose that generic, it could become anything else altogether. I want make a show that could be put in a "magical girl" category.

Thanks for providing the original text. So, what he is saying is that we can actually expect more of something that isn't on the general line of what we know as 'mahou shoujo'. This only increases my curiosity on Urobuchi's storyboard and script. After all, that was the basic template for their entire work and if Shinbou felt the need to state 'Mahou Shoujo' just to balance out those non-generic-magical girl genre elments, that's something.