2012-09-04, 20:36 | Link #101 |
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In an early post by Wild Goose he talked about how the BETA could be defeated by orbital bombardment citing Stargate SG-1 and Mass Effect as 2 examples. It got me thinking: what if when the American probe first landed on Mars it discovered the Prothean base prior to encountering the BETA on Mars? And what if somehow Earth was able to gain access to the Prothean database and large amounts of element zero from the starships there? How would that affect TSF development and war with the BETA?
And what if the Council had been formed in response to the BETA? They're clearly a galactic threat and humans can't have been the only ones to fight against them. Last edited by wellis; 2012-09-05 at 00:43. |
2012-09-05, 04:01 | Link #102 | |
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https://archive.foolz.us/m/thread/8183980/#q8185352_1 No offense, as I said earlier you're perfectly free to imagine the most contrived exceptional circumstances possible if it'll get you the scenario you want. That's kind of one of the things fanfiction's for. Just please refrain from trying to claim that there's things in canon to seriously back up that possibility if there is not actually anything to really support it. Last edited by DoomRavager; 2012-09-05 at 05:15. |
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2012-09-05, 08:00 | Link #103 |
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I don't find anything wrong about the A Cadet's Account fanfic even if it's not close to canon as you say DoomRavager.
If you want a MuvLuv fanfic that makes you go "WTH! You can't do that. No. No! NO!", then read Muv Luv Alternative Chronicles. Trust me, reading this fic will make A Cadet's Account look better.
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2012-09-05, 08:11 | Link #104 | |
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Oh, don't take things the wrong way, I never actually said anything about how good or bad I thought A Cadet's Account was in and of itself.
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2012-09-05, 10:02 | Link #105 | ||||
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I think it should be fairly obvious that Hagoshod's specialty is in trollfics. *shrugs*
Anyhow, because this is somewhat relevant to Wellis' fanfiction ideas, and because I have a vague hope of TK arriving here, I'm going to answer his post questions: Quote:
As I've said before, you don't really need beam weapons - firing kinetic energy weapons will do the trick. You're dropping a heavy slug at high speed onto the enemy, which will give you equivalent energy release to a nuclear weapon with no radioactive fallout. Also, inb4 Yamato (2199 refit). The Wave Motion Gun took out a floating continent the size of Australia, afterall. Firing from orbit is the ultimate Fuck You to BETA hives, because you have the benefit of standoff range, firepower, and nothing the BETA have can touch you. The problem is that ML hasn't gotten there yet. The other worry is also that even with railguns and dropping rods from god, you still need to maintain a sufficient volume of fire to saturate BETA defenses - as I recall, artillery is only called in once Lasers are removed because laserspam hax can interdict so much of an artillery battalion's fires that they'll be rendered winchester without any tangible effect, which is why you have units like 666th running Wild Weasel missiles to kill Lasers. Quote:
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If ME tech were available, we're going to see more rifles using mass accelerator cannons instead of conventional shells - at least for the 36mm Assault Cannons. We'll be seeing smaller caliber "rounds" - really blocks of metal sheared off from an ammo block - that would, I hope, have similar performance to standard guns, but with larger ammo capacities. However, heat buildup will be an issue - TSF guns doctrine relies on putting down an impressive rate of fire, and there may not be time to allow the cooldown that ME weapons require - especially as thermal clips haven't been invented, and are still a pain in the ass. If humans can't mine eezo, though, there's no point in using ME tech. Kinetic Barriers would not really be that useful, I think - I doubt they'd work very well against a Grappler or Destroyer charge, and they're useless against lasers, which is why point defenses on ME ships use lasers. Quote:
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2012-09-05, 18:30 | Link #106 | |
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1. Izumi needs to a new A-01 trainee with no previous affiliation to graduate into the Valkyries 2. Izumi needs to have 00 Unit potential before she can become a A-01 trainee. Seeing as how Izumi was a random cadet who never officially graduated the Royal Guard academy, I don't see why she can't just be recruited as one of Yuuko's new trainees in late 1998. Since nobody will explain to me what actually gives a character 00 Unit potential no matter how many times I ask, I'm pretty much forced to improvise on that part. I wonder how you'll feel about chapter 1.5 when it's done. But A Cadet's Account isn't a trollfic. It's legit. Or at least it's trying to be. Last edited by Hagoshod; 2012-09-05 at 18:51. |
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2012-09-05, 21:35 | Link #107 | |
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Regardless, even if they somehow had not already graduated, how exactly is someone who has already enlisted in the IRG officer's school and gotten far enough in the program to already be taught about different BETA types and appropriate tactics for each class (which as was said is all shoved in the very last bit of the curriculum) equated to "a raw recruit with no previous affiliation who can enlist in pilot school and be trained as a new cadet from scratch"? Leaving aside the whole "they're using the machines and wearing the uniforms that are issued upon graduation, strongly suggesting that they have graduated" thing. By the way, you know they don't search through other military organizations testing all their pilots for potential to look for recruits, right? Either way, in the world of fanfiction, anything's possible, far be it from me to tell you to allow consistency with the source to hinder you. |
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2012-09-05, 22:18 | Link #108 |
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So essentially, what Doom Ravager is saying is that Izumi can't be a part of A-01 because she's already graduated from the Imperial Royal Guards' training program (truncated as it may be), and A-01 takes in fresh recruits, who are selected by Yuuko using some sort of criteria that she knows.
Also, if I understand /m/ correctly, Marimo was seconded to A-01 to serve as a trainer, seeing as how she'd spent a good deal of time with the Fuji School Brigade (YAMATO DAMASHII OPFOR), but she was not part of A-01's combat forces. Also, the Imperial Royal Guard is technically a separate service from the IJA or IJN; what Hagoshod is postulating seems akin to someone who's completed Ranger or Green Beret training transferring into a SEAL team - it doesn't really work like that. Or a Navy helo pilot transferring into an Army chopper unit. As for Yui's unit, it looks as though training has been truncated, and they've lumped all the nuggets together into a squadron to be lead by a senior pilot, instead of carefully parceling them out to squadrons with experienced pilots - probably because they need the Kyoto defenders at their best, and having the defenders defend Kyoto and babysit nuggets would be a nightmare. This actually did happen with German and Japanese pilots towards the end of WW2, sending squadrons full of quickly commissioned nuggets up against experienced American pilots. So yeah, it does look alot like Izumi's already commissioned.
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2012-09-05, 22:43 | Link #109 | |
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It is fanfiction, though. He can do whatever crazy things he likes and there's not problem with that. Last edited by DoomRavager; 2012-09-06 at 00:02. |
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2012-09-05, 23:32 | Link #110 |
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^The problem comes in when he insists that it's a totally and very plausible scenario given what we already know about canon.
Why can we not just agree that it does not really matter what Haghoshod has deluded himself into thinking is and is not possible since pretty much everyone else except him already realizes just how incredibly far-fetched the whole thing is? I mean, that he's trying to write fanfiction about Alternative's final mission and A-01 when his idea of how the final mission went is full of inaccuracies and he doesn't even know what the trait that qualifies people to be the 00 Unit is is already pretty funny, I don't think we can expect too much from him consistency-wise. Just sit back and enjoy the fumbling is what I say. Last edited by Micropod; 2012-09-06 at 00:06. |
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2012-09-06, 07:15 | Link #113 |
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Learn to read - I'm summing up what DoomRavager was saying.
That said, note that A-01 pulls in fresh recruits, and has no cross service transfers - Marimo is seconded to them in a support capacity. The very fact that Izumi has gone through IRG training would suggest, to me at the least, that she'd be disqualified from A-01; Yuuko seems to want fresh recruits with no preconceptions or mindsets from another service, presumably so they can be molded to fit A-01. Given that she's already been filled with IRG doctrine... Yeah.
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You know 207B's cadets were using their assigned training machines and wearing their trainee outfits when they did end up getting quickly shoved onto the battlefield in an unexpected emergency before they graduated in Alternative, not issued non-training TSFs meant for live combat, unlike Yui's squad who have now been issued the proper Imperial Royal Guard machines and suits which are issued to actual graduated officers?
You know 207B's cadets later got to graduate despite still being trainees who haven't even completed their training, and were subsequently not using training units and trainee outfits, serving as an example that under extraordinary circumstances (though the circumstances are different for 207B and for Yui's squad) you can be a graduate without having completed your training? You know how it was pointed out that Yui's squad are no longer using the training TSFs and outfits and now have their color-coded non-trainee machines and outfits issued already by the time the BETA showed up all of a sudden, which indicates that they have in fact been commissioned? If they were still complete cadets without a commission, they'd be sitting in their training Gekishins wearing their cadet suits. Yui's squad's and 207B's situations are not comparable. Did you read any of what was written? At all? Quote:
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Anyway, she's graduated. Why am I even arguing about this when I just wanted to sit back and chuckle along with everyone else at the fact that you have effectively no clue what you're talking about? Last edited by Micropod; 2012-09-06 at 21:45. |
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2012-09-06, 08:30 | Link #115 | |
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And it's possible he thinks everyone's just out to get him because of that, as opposed to having genuine grievances the existence of which he is effectively the absolutely only one incapable of realizing. Makes for a good laugh either way. Last edited by DoomRavager; 2012-09-06 at 11:57. |
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2012-09-06, 12:06 | Link #119 |
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It'd be practically no better than current TSFs. It won't be able to go fast enough to evade Laser-class, and there is currently no known way (IIRC) to spoof them. Current speeds are actually fast enough, and operating time isn't really an issue - IIRC you tend to get NOMed before actually running out of fuel.
If there's some way of defeating - or at least defending - Lasers, then you've got someting viable. This is why I was saying that for the battlefield, post-2040 Valkyries would be more survivable, thanks to the pinpoint barrier system; sure, it won't tank a full on laserhax spam, but it will last more than long enough for you to stay alive.
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2012-09-06, 12:32 | Link #120 |
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She survived the eight minutes, then became Soldier classs-kun' all-you-can-eat taco buffet. That's why noobs should never let their guard down after those. Because Soldiers are everywhere. Even under your bed.
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