2013-02-23, 22:44 | Link #7381 | |
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I still don't like the idea or the scenes mention here. But what can I do?
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2013-02-24, 04:42 | Link #7384 | |
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2013-02-24, 05:45 | Link #7385 | |
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RF6 had gone to Earth after a lost logia and took some time to relax while they waited for it to activate. It's where they (the Forwards) met Suzuka, Arisa and Nanoha's family. IIRC, Subaru and Teana mentioned something about Momoko being shockingly beautiful.
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2013-02-24, 06:30 | Link #7386 | |
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And the same goes for the wolkenritter. They were not friendly by any means, but there was no real knowledge of them being mass murderers. Even so, billions? Did they destroy entire planets or something? Though I always think of a key difference between salvageable characters and the hopeless ones, are empathy. Cypha for instance acts all maniacal with laughter w/e she slices someone to bits without the slightest bit of remorse. While the cast from the previous seasons clearly did not enjoy the things they were forced into doing. Quattro for instance is a case of an un-salaveable character. And we see what Nanoha did with her.
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I will grant you that Fate's case is not exactly the same, as she expressed sympathy during their first meeting. Quote:
Yes, it turned out they didn't know about the book making planets go poof, but Nanoha & co didn't find out that little detail until much later, while Nanoha went "Hey, let's be friends!" almost immediately. Quote:
I personally think that while the previous seasons were a story about "help the antagonists break the cycle they are caught in" Force takes it a step further to become "and redeem those on the dark path back into the light." It's a theory, but given how we are already introduced to another faction that looks at the Huck's evil and takes another a step further, it's a likely one. |
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2013-02-24, 11:25 | Link #7389 | ||
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Tohma, not so much... when the psycho eye-patched, sword-wielding murderer lands on the battlefield Tohma is all "yo Cypha, how are you xD!"
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2013-02-24, 12:07 | Link #7391 | |
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The Takamachi Family thing came from a track title. They've never actually been refered to as such in universe. But yeah, fans will deny anything that doesn't fit into their ideal image.
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When you remove the Megami sound stages, and just focus on the more official ones, you find them to be more relationship-neutral, preferring not to say much of anything in that regard. You have to go to the manga to pick up the more outright talk of relationships and shipping. |
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2013-02-24, 12:37 | Link #7393 | |
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And the Takamachi Family one came from the Movie 1st Sound Stage.
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2013-02-24, 13:03 | Link #7394 |
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I will like either the whole NanoFate or even the Yunnoha to be official. This constant “maybe” that we get from the story only makes possible discussions over which option is better and Yuuno loses by numbers alone. I mean I get why they don’t say anything directly even when they hint it so much but still, it will be nice the canon sets this argument once and for all. I personally like NanoFate but I don’t mind the other way around if they do it right.
In any case back to Force who lacks Nanoha and Fate in important roles. What I mean with Thoma being a little odd when addressing dangerous criminals in such a friendly fashion is this: Tone. You see one thing is a cute little girl wanting to be friends and talk to people she can see good on thanks by their actions. Fate did show empathy to Nanoha when she first fights her saying she was sorry and the Wolkenritter could hurt them more and kill them in their fight but they didn’t. In both cases the antagonist shows some kindness that Nanoha uses as a proof they can resolve it in other ways. So she reach out for them. In the end the tone is also more friendly and there is some innocence to all of this, kids logic and a bright tone. Force on the other hand shows our villains as murders right from the start. Veyron does kill 3 defenseless nuns that were not a treat to him while waiting for Thoma, Cypha laughs while saying she slaughter a small village with kids on it because she feel like to and we later see the entire family (Well the ones we knew at that moment) going to Vandin and kill every single human being they find there. I am sure most of those dead people had families, friends, maybe even kids they were trying to provide with their jobs when the happy trigger family started shooting on them. The tone is a darker, serious one when we face brutal killers and Thoma himself was looking for those who destroy his village. But the Hückebein just say “we didn’t do that” and he just buys his words without a second thought on the matter, apologies to Veyron for attacking him when he just find him after the murder of the 3 sisters and smiles at Cypha and tells her to take care in front of the woman Cypha almost kill because Signum tried to save him. Yeah… kind of odd. Of course I get what Keroko says about Thoma and comparing him with Nanoha but, let’s be honest here, Fate and the Wolkenritter didn’t appear as violent murders with not sings of remorse to Nanoha. Here is kind of forcing the hand when I see the Hückebein act in such villainous ways and then I get “they are not criminals” well, they sure as hell could trick me. I think is strange we go for the same route as the other series when the antagonists are just so amoral. Thoma looks like an idiot. Just think this: he gets beat every single he fights, he needs to be save, he insist on his ideas when everyone is telling him to drop them (Sounds familiar?) and he is just going for the ride with no control over almost anything on his life. This manga needs to make more with Thoma and maybe focus on that “good” side of the Hückebein if it really wants to go the whole befriend route with them.
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2013-02-24, 13:29 | Link #7399 |
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And her second to just talk. And her third to talk with her weapons away.
My point is, Nanoha befriends people who are the bad guys all the time. To see everyone hammering on Thoma for doing the same is... weird. I mean, heck, even around here we had the whole "Are the Hucks really bad guys or just victims?" argument for the longest time. To see nothing of the sort happening for the Hucks is... kind of a plothole. They don't have to fall on the ground and pity them, but a bit of understanding and less hypocrisy would be balancing. |
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