2013-04-12, 16:15 | Link #522 | |
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2013-04-12, 16:16 | Link #523 | |
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Putting morality/proportionality aside and looking at Ledo's actions strictly through the goal he was trying to achieve (leverage with the Gargantians), a better course of action would be to use the minimum amount of force necessary to achieve his objective of securing Bellows and driving off the pirates. Why? Because while Ledo understands the immediate tactical situation, he has no idea what larger relationship the pirates and the Gargantians have. The stronger Ledo's initial action, the more likely Ledo affects that larger relationship. And if his actions impact that relationship negatively, then he may have actually harmed his goal of achieving leverage with the Gargantians. But again, from a storytelling perspective, Ledo's actions "work" better than simply going in and threatening the pirates. The Gargantians get to see a display of Chamber's power, it sets up an immediate conflict with the initial antagonists, and it probably also serves to divide the Gargantians about Ledo, adding conflict there. |
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2013-04-12, 17:11 | Link #524 | |
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2013-04-12, 18:45 | Link #526 | |
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2013-04-12, 20:11 | Link #527 | |
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But as most promotional material pretty much shows him all buddy buddy with the crew, I'm not really worried long-term. |
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2013-04-12, 20:29 | Link #529 | ||
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Oh no IT'S Misaka Mikoto 's fault!!!!!! nooooooooooo!!!!
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2013-04-12, 20:34 | Link #530 | |
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Those Gargantians undoubtedly have family on the mothership, and were only salvaging equipment from the sea. They were brutally attacked and murdered. What Ledo did, was perfectly acceptable considering even with his superior technology and weaponry, any attempt at subduing them other than what he did, could have caused more immediate casualties to the people he was in negotiation with. The Pirates 100% got what was coming to them, and anyone who shows sympathy for them, gets a WTF look from me...
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2013-04-12, 20:44 | Link #531 |
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I don't understand why people see Gargantians as peaceful... Those automatic weapons they have aren't just for show. And they are always ready to respond to any alert in minutes. Pinion definitely had no qualms about just drowning Ledo and taking his Jumboro apart.
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2013-04-12, 20:47 | Link #532 | |
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However, they just... got vaporized with nothing left... don't you pity them? There's just nothing left to... insult...
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2013-04-12, 20:51 | Link #533 | |
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2013-04-12, 20:55 | Link #534 | ||
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If I didn't forget the objective is: save the hostages not negotiate with the pirates for the safety. So he choose the most efficient way to handle the problem: Wiping out the enemies before they even had the time to shoot the hostages. Quote:
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2013-04-12, 21:09 | Link #535 | |
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EDIT: Wait, Urobuchi is now a tag? |
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2013-04-12, 21:11 | Link #536 | |
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3) you forgot the very basic premiss of floating cities like Gargantia in their world. It didn't just sprout overnight. Peaceful people with common goals came together ( rather than attacking each other) in their own boats/ ships , interconnected and are now moving together with the common goal of surviving. 4 ) and yes they have rules and even pinion defers to the decision of their elders & leaders. I think you're equating non-Peacefulness with the grit & toughness required to live in their harsh world which shouldn't be the case.
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2013-04-12, 21:47 | Link #538 | |
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If people are not aware of this, there might be false expectations or conclusions drawn. I'm just trying to better represent the nature of the series. |
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2013-04-12, 23:02 | Link #539 | |
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Chamber needs a human pilot because he could go totally and logically berserk at any time, and the responsibility has to rest with a human. Asimov's laws of robotics may be coming into play. In this case, the responsible human is only 16 years old, but one gets the sense that education and even physical/mental maturation may be paced differently in his world: you quickly grow to a point where you can act as an adult, although even adults are treated a bit like children by the System. As far as Red's use of excessive force, it would likely be quite logical to treat an "enemy" this way in Red's world. The clash of worlds in the next ep could be interesting. I'm thinking we have not traveled in time, but only space -- however the distinction is a bit moot when you are thinking in relativistic terms and dealing with wormholes.
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2013-04-13, 00:03 | Link #540 |
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In regards to Red's use of force...
I don't think it was over use of force, my reasoning is because there is only one of him and if he tried to disarm so many targets there is still a chance of something going wrong. For example a pirate could have a hidden weapon and even if it means nothing to Red and Chamber, it could mean a life of a Gargantian. When a SWAT team storms a hostage situation, they go in to kill all their targets in as short time as possible so it gives the hostile as little time to cause problems.
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