2009-03-26, 22:05 | Link #1121 | ||
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gonzo is another thing. If you notice, characters in gonzo's shows have a huge chance of coming back even after they die, as a ghost or ressurection. Quote:
two of them had text book happy endings. romeo x Juliet had a happy ending for all but the two destined to die no matter what, and even so it was an original ending. |
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2009-03-26, 22:26 | Link #1122 | ||
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Like eva death had any meaning and TTLG had the motto of it is cool to die theme going for it. its rather hard to comment on gainax because they don't make much anime these day. Beside from TTLG, Eva and Gunbuster they rarely have hits. BTW <3 ganiax Quote:
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2009-03-26, 22:31 | Link #1123 |
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wait....Kaaya never had feelings for neeba or...did she ever steal him from her...
.................. Oh wait you meant Jil? since when was jil her guy? you know what irks me about this series...is that fatina never had a chance to interact with neeba after the betrayal... |
2009-03-26, 22:37 | Link #1124 | |
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Yeah number two... oh for the fact they were living together despite how bloody thick-headed he is. The slap was probably more for Jil's sake as well.
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2009-03-26, 22:43 | Link #1125 |
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I thought the slap that Fantina did on Kayaa was more of a warning than getting even. She pretty much knew that Jil still was thinking of Kayaa and the she slapped Kayaa to knock some sense into her. To me, the slap was more of a "if you betray him again, you will be dealing with me" type of mentality. I was expecting Fatina to give Jil a long kiss to remind him if he is hurt by Kayaa again, she would be there for him.
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2009-03-26, 22:47 | Link #1127 | |
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2009-03-26, 22:54 | Link #1128 | ||
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~GIGGLE~ No arrogance here kind sir, just stating the truth. Those 6 months that they lived "together"...jil was pretty much a vegetable...so not much romantic development could had been build...and l was proven right. P.S l can't wait to be poven correct in Regios as well. Quote:
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2009-03-26, 23:55 | Link #1130 |
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Geez why is everyone so over critical about this...
Can't you just watch it as an enjoyable show. I particularly liked it a bunch because it didn't take itself seriously at all. Which was perfectly apparent in the first episode of the first season. Who cares about the cookie cutter ending...it actually fit the format of the series...and the finally battle was really cool. Makes me want to play the old Tower of Druaga on my PSP |
2009-03-27, 00:24 | Link #1131 |
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Not exactly since Fatina WAS in love with Jil, up til the point where she slapped Kaaya where she admitted defeat against her. Whether Jil loved her back was another thing but Fatina did have one sided feelings for him (thus making her a tragic heroine ).
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2009-03-27, 00:48 | Link #1132 | |
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Too bad that Jil only saw her as a tool to accomplish his goal. she was used by both brothers. I was kind of yelling at Jil when he called her through the window when he was packing in episode 2, I had the feelings that she was going to die if she followed him, but thank goodness she live. that was my only worry, I could not have survive a repeat of the Ahmey incident from the first season. So yes, Fatina was a tragic heroine. |
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2009-03-27, 01:25 | Link #1133 | |
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To be 'use' a form of deception has to be established which Jil didn't do, dense and thick headed or stubborn are what his crimes are but certainly he never love the woman which is fine because he said so early on when fatina confess hence he did the right thing from the start nor did he played with her feelings. It’s a one sided love that only fatina can be blame for her action. You’ve really stretch the truth this time. And while you're at it explained to me how Jil use fatina to accomplished his goal he was going to climb the bloody thing anyway without her and what he did he ask for never was it forceful. Last edited by BrokenWingz; 2009-03-27 at 01:44. |
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2009-03-27, 01:58 | Link #1134 |
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What annoyed me most about the Jil x Fatina romance subplot (besides the fact that it was introduced only to be destroyed in the end ), is that Jil NEVER clearly rejects her. Whenever Fatina brought up the subject, he would either moan indecisively or say that he's still thinking about Kaaya. But it seemed like it was never an issue to Jil, at least not a pressing issue to him compared to other matters involving Kaaya and Neeba.
It was only when Fatina gave up and slapped/pushed Kaaya onto him that the situation was resolved... a resolution in which Jil had absolutely no part in reaching himself. In other words, Jil didn't choose Kaaya: it just happened by default. It makes me wonder just how much Jil changed over the course of the show, if at all. It was his inability to give up and his one track thinking that made him climb the tower, save Kaaya, defeat Druaga, Gil, and Neeba, save the world, etc. etc... but it was also that one track thinking that made him inadvertently take advantage of Fatina's feelings and have his brother hate him enough to destroy the freakin' world. Being a kind idiot has its consequences... does that aspect about him really change in the end? |
2009-03-27, 02:10 | Link #1135 | |
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Now I’m laughing hysterically at the following post. let me be cruel, fatina uses Jil iintentional as a tool to get over her ordeal to believed in someone dense that would no way could betray her. You think such mindset is innocent which will allow her to be with Jil? so why can i say this because she confessed it herself. Fatina knew as much as everyone else that Jil only liked Kaaya, delusion as it seems I don't know what you're talking about. Clinging to someone hoping they're will change will not get any message across. |
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2009-03-27, 02:24 | Link #1137 | |
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Maybe I should be angry at myself for expecting him to do anything different from a typical boy lead in an action animu. Ugh... I really should forget I even watched this show... |
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2009-03-27, 02:40 | Link #1138 | |
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In the first season, he thought that the safety of his companions was more important that climbing a tower. In the second season he considered Climbing the tower more important than the safety of anyone. when Utuu asked jil if he planned to continue even with the shape that Fatina was in and he said yes, because he was a climber .I don't think that the Jil from the first season would have tried to convince Fatina to go with them the second time. The little conversation he had with her through the windows is what made Fatina change her mind. Really, anyone that doesn't see that Jil used Fatina is in denial, I am not saying he did it maliciously, like Neeba did. I don't think Jil would betray any of his companions the same way that neeba did. The argument about Fatina using Jil to get over Neeba is different because during that time they were supporting each other to get past the Neeba/Kaaya's betrayal. |
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2009-03-27, 02:57 | Link #1139 | ||
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2009-03-27, 03:33 | Link #1140 | ||
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I also tend to dislike dull, clueless leads. And no, romantic school theme shows have much of the same leads: people who are so absorbed with their own crushes or whatever that they always fail to see the feelings of others right next to them. I've seen so many of them, that they just ruin any entertainment value for any game or animu that has them for me. You ever play Tales of Vesperia? I loved that game. Sure, it had much of the same cliches as any JRPG out there, except for one thing. The main lead knew exactly what he wanted and carried out what needed to be done, and he tried carrying his burdens alone. That's far different from Jil, who didn't have a clear goal in mind when climbing the tower in S1, while he made climbing his sole purpose in S2, very much ignoring the feelings of his companions. Sure, his companions decided to go along with him on their own, but did Jil keep their thoughts in mind? Or was he so preoccupied with catching up to Kaaya and Neeba (as well as being a clueless, stupid idiot) that he failed to realize that he was endangering his friends' lives on his own selfish quest (in the beginning anyway)? Quote:
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