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carb · 2005-12-30, 03:16

i find it a bit odd that such a captain level as Komamura could easily be taken down by a SINGLE spell that was not even at its full power.

Blaster · 2005-12-30, 03:37

Well maybe spells are always powerful, just that it isn't easy to hit someone, therefore they don't use spells.
Like Byakuya vs Ichigo, Byakuya only cast the spell when he is sure it will hit ichigo.

Glitch87 · 2005-12-30, 03:42

also he wasnt completely taken down...didnt you see him get up a few minutes later?

SSJ7 Goku · 2005-12-30, 04:52

it seemed like Gin was surprised that Aizen knew how to use that kidou, so even though it was only at 1/3 of it's full power, it was such a high level spell that it was capable of knocking him down..
that's just my guess though =|

Novarain · 2005-12-30, 07:31

In the manga it's explained that the 90+ spells are the highest level and are supposed to be almost impossible to even cast in the first place so i won't be surprised if even Aizen struggled to cast it and that Komamura would have been completely destroyed had it reached full power...

Desti-Fate · 2005-12-30, 07:34

Hey, you can take someone down with a good stab.
I don't see why a point-blank magical explosion from *Aizen* wouldn't be able to knock a guy down and keep him there.

Arutima · 2005-12-30, 07:39

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Originally Posted by Novarain

In the manga it's explained that the 90+ spells are the highest level and are supposed to be almost impossible to even cast in the first place so i won't be surprised if even Aizen struggled to cast it and that Komamura would have been completely destroyed had it reached full power...

Aizen didnt reached full power because he didnt had the time to casts the complete incantation for the spell, wich takes severals minutes

Wolcik · 2005-12-30, 07:56

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Originally Posted by Arutima

Aizen didnt reached full power because he didnt had the time to casts the complete incantation for the spell, wich takes severals minutes

like 4th VC Isane had to talk so much to find out where he went or to call everyone, so Aizen probably would have to do something even more harder than difficult incatation

and Komamura was already beat up at least some, cause we saw him last time when he was starting the fight with Zaraki, and than it took some time for Yamamoto to start his fight, so he run away

MobiuS · 2005-12-30, 08:48

Well theres also differences in "captain level".

Spiritual Energy monsters like Zaraki or Yama-jii probably wouldnt have taken it as hard as Komamura. Sure ... its Black Arts ... but if it was strong enough to destroy ANYTHING, wouldnt the Shinigami forget about Shinkais and Bankais and focus on using 90s Kidou to decimate the Vaizard army??

I dont think they need full-release to cast them either .... >_>

Altharion · 2005-12-30, 08:58

there are some shinigami that focus on kidou (rukia, momo) and some who focus on hakuda (soi fong) and some who only focus on zanjutsu (zaraki).

Inkognito · 2005-12-30, 10:26

The spell and level were used to illustrate how powerful Aizen is... It'd be tough to believe that we're faced with a seemingly all-powerful enemy if he was casting level 2 spells even after stopping a bankai with a finger.

Forever · 2005-12-30, 11:03

If aizen try to stab, konomara could have dodged or grab his zanpaktou and make him vunerable. lvl 90 spell at close range cant be dodged...

Dark` · 2005-12-30, 11:51

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Originally Posted by Forever

If aizen try to stab, konomara could have dodged or grab his zanpaktou and make him vunerable. lvl 90 spell at close range cant be dodged...

Except for the fact that Komamura, just like Hitsugaya, Renji, Hinamori, etc, are all under his Absolute Hypnosis. He would never see the blade coming, so he wouldn't have been able to dodge (he didn't even see Aizen move up to him).

As for the spell...yeah. Gin was surprised Aizen was able to cast the spell without the full incantation, he skipped all of that. As such, its power was dramatically decreased. If it had been at full strength, there's a good chance that Komamura would be dead right now.

Baphomet · 2005-12-30, 13:22

Maybe Aizen did perform several minutes long incantation for the lvl90 spell but used his shikai to make everyone believe that its instant

babuji · 2005-12-30, 13:48

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Originally Posted by Baphomet

Maybe Aizen did perform several minutes long incantation for the lvl90 spell but used his shikai to make everyone believe that its instant

who knows....what you say might be true..since most are under his hypnosis, he must have took a couple of minutes and making it looks like an instant. Even when he stop ichigo blade was due to the hypnosis.

MHaggag · 2005-12-30, 14:42

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Originally Posted by Inkognito

The spell and level were used to illustrate how powerful Aizen is... It'd be tough to believe that we're faced with a seemingly all-powerful enemy if he was casting level 2 spells even after stopping a bankai with a finger.

What is kinda weird, as pointed out by someone on the lunar forums, is that Tessai was able to do two level 99 spells earlier in the series, when he was in the pit with Ichigo IIRC.

Creepy.

Desti-Fate · 2005-12-30, 14:55

Knowing Urahara, he might have been using some device to amplify his power. Also, he would have had pleeeenty of time to prepare and er, incant.

Zarifus · 2005-12-30, 19:52

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Originally Posted by babuji

Even when he stop ichigo blade was due to the hypnosis.

I kind of doubt this, I don't think Ichigo ever saw Aizen do his Shikai release yet. All of the Captains and VCs were gathered ages ago and shown the release.
In order for the release effect to take place, maybe it takes a certain amount of time? We were never really shown how the hypnosis is cast.
Also, the way he blocked the sword basically means that Aizen has alot more power leaking out of him. Just like how Ichigo was unable to cut Kenpachi at first.

Are kidou exactly the same for each person? Say for instance, Zaraki compared to Renji, would the difference in raw power affect the size/power of the spell?
If it did, maybe 1/3 power of Aizen's spell was so powerful because any of his spells are already very powerful.

Ziv · 2005-12-30, 20:55

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Originally Posted by MHaggag

What is kinda weird, as pointed out by someone on the lunar forums, is that Tessai was able to do two level 99 spells earlier in the series, when he was in the pit with Ichigo IIRC.

Creepy.

From what I understood, it was all one spell, but just different phases

carb · 2005-12-30, 21:10

wat chapter was this shown? Tessai doing 2 lvl99 spells

2005-12-30, 03:16	Link #1
carb Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	Spell Blast 90 i find it a bit odd that such a captain level as Komamura could easily be taken down by a SINGLE spell that was not even at its full power.

2005-12-30, 11:03	Link #12
Forever Revealing the truth Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Age: 41	If aizen try to stab, konomara could have dodged or grab his zanpaktou and make him vunerable. lvl 90 spell at close range cant be dodged... __________________

2005-12-30, 03:37	Link #2
Blaster Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	Well maybe spells are always powerful, just that it isn't easy to hit someone, therefore they don't use spells. Like Byakuya vs Ichigo, Byakuya only cast the spell when he is sure it will hit ichigo.

2005-12-30, 03:42	Link #3
Glitch87 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004	also he wasnt completely taken down...didnt you see him get up a few minutes later?

2005-12-30, 04:52	Link #4
SSJ7 Goku Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	it seemed like Gin was surprised that Aizen knew how to use that kidou, so even though it was only at 1/3 of it's full power, it was such a high level spell that it was capable of knocking him down.. that's just my guess though =\|

2005-12-30, 07:31	Link #5
Novarain Member Join Date: Dec 2005	In the manga it's explained that the 90+ spells are the highest level and are supposed to be almost impossible to even cast in the first place so i won't be surprised if even Aizen struggled to cast it and that Komamura would have been completely destroyed had it reached full power...

2005-12-30, 07:34	Link #6
Desti-Fate Now available in pink Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Norn' Irelan', UK	Hey, you can take someone down with a good stab. I don't see why a point-blank magical explosion from Aizen wouldn't be able to knock a guy down and keep him there.

2005-12-30, 08:48	Link #9
MobiuS Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	Well theres also differences in "captain level". Spiritual Energy monsters like Zaraki or Yama-jii probably wouldnt have taken it as hard as Komamura. Sure ... its Black Arts ... but if it was strong enough to destroy ANYTHING, wouldnt the Shinigami forget about Shinkais and Bankais and focus on using 90s Kidou to decimate the Vaizard army?? I dont think they need full-release to cast them either .... >_>

2005-12-30, 08:58	Link #10
Altharion Pirate A Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: n0rw4y Age: 35	there are some shinigami that focus on kidou (rukia, momo) and some who focus on hakuda (soi fong) and some who only focus on zanjutsu (zaraki).

2005-12-30, 10:26	Link #11
Inkognito Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	The spell and level were used to illustrate how powerful Aizen is... It'd be tough to believe that we're faced with a seemingly all-powerful enemy if he was casting level 2 spells even after stopping a bankai with a finger.

2005-12-30, 13:22	Link #14
Baphomet Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	Maybe Aizen did perform several minutes long incantation for the lvl90 spell but used his shikai to make everyone believe that its instant

2005-12-30, 14:55	Link #17
Desti-Fate Now available in pink Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Norn' Irelan', UK	Knowing Urahara, he might have been using some device to amplify his power. Also, he would have had pleeeenty of time to prepare and er, incant.

2005-12-30, 21:10	Link #20
carb Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	wat chapter was this shown? Tessai doing 2 lvl99 spells