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By the way, will it be too much to ask to the moderators to delete some of the post that are idiotic/offensive at best in this thread.
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2003-11-03, 20:30 | Link #23 |
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She probably felt rejected after Takayuki being so hesitant to move in with her. Also noticed how Takayuki turned his back on Mitsuki when in bed and not even getting up to say goodbye in Ep 3?
You don't do that if you love someone. Oh, and why did Mitsuki cut ther hair? Is it like she's not a little girl anymore? |
2003-11-03, 20:33 | Link #24 | |
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Mitsuki could have cut her hair for several reasons: Maybe it was a sign of moving on, and forgetting the past. (People in real life do that too..) She once said she preferred short hair, maybe she was acting on her feelings this time. (Just as she acted on Takayuki) |
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2003-11-03, 20:35 | Link #25 |
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That comes from episode 2 (?) when they both were talking and she said she didn't like her hair, and actually only the person she liked (supposedly Takayuki) told her she would look better with the short hair. I don't think he remembers about that tho.
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2003-11-03, 20:48 | Link #27 |
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I don't see how you can blame Akane. Look at her perspective.
Her Parents screwed the pooch by NOT TELLING HER what they said to Takayuki. They never told her they asked him to stay away. So all of a sudden this is what Akane observes. Takayuki always shows up and is there with her when Akane is spending time for Haruka in the hospital. Although she does observe Takayuki looking worse and worse. Akane decides to check in on him and she finds Mitsuki in his bed. In that moment she suddenly thinks "So is that why he's now no longer coming to the hospital? My friend and mentor has seduced him in his weakened state." It would have been a better outcome if Akane's parents told her, "Listen Akane, Takayuki is on the verge of a nervous breakdown and may be borderline suicidal. We told him he needs to move on with his life, because this isn't healthy for him." But they didn't do that. |
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But the whining and moping... Really, I can't say that's a weakness or something. The accident was just too much of a trauma for him that it affected him greatly. Anyone who loses someone dear to them would be constantly reminded of that person, and it's the same case here. Granted, since he blames himself it affects him even more than if say that person died of a sickness instead. So this really is normal I think. Not a flaw of his character. And weren't people complaining two episodes ago that they hated the fact that Takayuki went out with Mitsuki and ignored Haruka? Now they are saying that he's too sensitive and wimpy and whiny because he could never forget Haruka? Geez people are never satisfied it seems.
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2003-11-03, 21:25 | Link #30 |
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Even though I am and always will be a Mitsuki fan i wish she didn't hook up with Takayuki in that way...but i can understand with the vulnearability of both characters at that moment and why she did what she did...I thought this episode portrayed Mitsuki in both the negative and positive light but in the end more towards the positive side...Takayuki is unworthy of both ladies!!!
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2003-11-03, 21:31 | Link #31 | |
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2003-11-03, 21:43 | Link #32 | |
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I really don't think Mitsuki could have done anything else other than what she did. Takayuki was serious mentally "gone"... You said Takayuki needs a friend, a mere "friend" wouldn't have been a ble to get him back. Mitsuki's tried to act as his friend for the whole year already by taking care of him and tried to alleviate his conditions, but merely being a friend really can't cure Takayuki of his obsession with Haruka. The episode dealed the many things that Mitsuki tried to do to cheer Takayuki up, but still he's stuck in that blank vegetable-like state. And nothing worked. Takayuki got more and more insane, and what she did was the only thing that she could do to knock sense into him. What Takayuki needed wasn't a friend after all, because none of his friends were able to snap him out of it. What he needed was "stimulation".
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2003-11-03, 21:45 | Link #33 |
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Somehow I see Mitsuki as very human. She's carrying as much guilt as Takayuki for being in the relationship, if not more so. It's sad to see someone so lively in the 1st 2 eps turn into a quite insecure lady later.
As for the sex part, frankly I think she ran out of ideas on what to do. I mean she cared for him for 1 year and even quit the swimming club for it. (although I get the vibes that she didn't like it in the first place) I mean even Shinji told Mitsuki to leave Takayuki alone for a while. Man, this is one depressing anime... I know I would be torn up if my friends ended up this way. |
2003-11-03, 22:05 | Link #34 | |
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(Though this is kind of personal, I've been in a state of mind similar to Takayuki's before. And the last thing I needed at that time was for some well meaning person to come to me and start saying stuff like "I've always had a romantic interest in you!" What I needed was for my friends to stick by me util I worked out my issues.) Honestly, I think the sex hurt more than it helped. Look at their relationship in the future. Are they still plagued with guilt? Yes. Is their relationship as good as it could be? No. saying "I've always loved you" at that time and meaning it in a romantic way only adds pressure to the situation. Did Takayuki need to know that he was loved? Of course he did. But I doubt he needed the added burden of "Oh jeez, I've kinda boned the girl I'm supposedly in love with's best friend." I mean, hell, if this is still causing guilt (as is seen a couple of years later when dealing with Akane) then perhaps it wasn't the best way to go about it. |
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I agree that the sex didn't get rid of the guilt, but it certainly allowed Takayuki to get back on his feet, find a job, buy and make food for himself and put on some clean clothes for once. And they eventually did managed to move on with their lives, until Haruka woke up that is (so if she didn't I assume that they would just forget about Haruka and live on happily ever after or something)... So i really think that she couldn't have done anything else that would have made it any better... Though if you have a better idea you can share it...
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hmm... I wonder if that's why Takayuki seemed to have changed into a horny bastard in ep.3? I mean, it is said that sex is one of the things that tends to take people's minds off things... so is that why Takayuki seems to want it so badly? |
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2003-11-03, 23:07 | Link #38 |
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Well, my main thing is that I don't think it was a situation where it was like "OMG! I have to snap you out of it this very millisecond or it's obvious you'll die!" I mean, yeah, it's very possible he could have done something rash, but I think that was offset by her simply being there.
I wouldn't have minded her getting physical with him in a comforting way. Such as a hug. Just holding him and being there. She wouldn't have even had to talk him out of his funk. Just allowing him to know that even though he thought his world was tumbling down on him, she would always be there for him would have helped... Jumping into bed--though I'll be the first one to admit that it probably took his mind off things at that very moment--has not been healthy for him, nor their relationship in the long run. Had she been willing to take things slow and allow both of them to deal with the issues at hand, no matter how long it might have taken, then I don't think they'd be in nearly as much trouble as they are right now. I do realize what I'm saying would make for a very boring show, though. And it's also probably not 100% realistic either. It's just what I'm throwing out as the ideal way to handle the situation. Also, counseling definitely would not hurt. The main problem with their relationship right now is that both of them are using it as a means of escaping their problems rather than dealing with them head on. I'd imagine some of it is mutual solace, but they're also not doing one another any favors in the long run. |
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Well personally I feel that after watching these eps. Takayuki only really sees Mitsuki as "lets do it" "lets do it later" "lets do it today" "I can't do it" with the emphensis on nothing but sex.
When he was around Haruka, he was a happier person, so it seems. He seemed more "human" and seemed to be better. I still don't think Takayuki deserves any of them. I don't know of ANY girls that throw their naked selves at a guy that they really really like NO matter what. *shrugs* I mean it's great for us guys if they do. But I really liked at the end how Haruka + Takayuki were both staring at the moon... sorta leads on to something... |
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