2008-05-06, 16:10 | Link #722 | |
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2008-05-07, 01:56 | Link #727 | |
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As for Gendo's father being 'normal', I actually have to somewhat agree to that. My own father was basically the same thing. I can't remember when I was actually praised for anything. It didn't do me any favors ala Shinji psychologically, but those types are out there. But yeah, I would hate to think that's the norm actually. |
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2008-05-07, 04:37 | Link #728 |
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reguarding the discusion about gendo.
for some reason i always made a comparison between gendo and god and shinji and jesus. gendo just like god is sacrifying his own son for the sake mankind just like god did only to have jesus coming back to life (can be shinji returning from his dissolved state in LCL or his "rebirth" at the end of the movie when he makes the good choice). now i cant answer if this comparison stands, can we concider that the action of gendo toward shinji were dictated by "god" himself or were his actions dictated by his ego, pride and his aspiration to be the new god of mankind and was trying in the process to mimic god's doing. |
2008-05-07, 07:43 | Link #729 | |
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Mankind has nothing to do with anything at all as far as Gendo is concerned; he is as selfish as he was when he started, still trying to have something he wants and sacrificing everyone else to get to it. Godhood is not what he want (not since Yui died), it is just a means to an end.
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2008-05-07, 20:25 | Link #730 |
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I'm not so sure I'd dismiss it that easily. I think Anno did intend for Shinji to be a Christ figure to some extent - and I do think Gendo considering himself a God is part of that. Certainly, Shinji was made to suffer extensively for the sake of mankind (or so it was sold to him , anyway).
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2008-05-07, 21:39 | Link #731 | |
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Anyone who's watched the show and hasn't read this needs to do so ASAP. What I said only scratched the surface of what's said in that article, and despite my extreme dislike of ANN, I have to admit it's a really good article (of course, it's from another time, so that'd explain why it's ANN and it's actually good).
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2008-05-07, 22:42 | Link #732 |
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God, I read that ages, ago... It's nicely written, but an opinion - just like all the rest of them. Frankly, I suspect even Anno himself doesn't understand some of the symbolism in Eva - it just spilled out as a kind of self-therapy. So i think we'll be arguing about all of this until fourth impact.
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2008-05-08, 00:33 | Link #733 | |
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2008-05-08, 01:34 | Link #734 |
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I don't see what's wrong with having your own personal spin on it. Anno purporsefully made it a show wide open to interpretation. I think it's stifling to say that there's only one way to look at it. That takes the fun out of it.
As for Gendo's selfishness, that is the OBVIOUS aspect of it. But as smart and devious as he truly is, he must have known, at least subconsciously that acting in self interest and for Yui's actually was all about saving humanity. Both goals were not mutually exclusive of one another. They were directly connected. The show's end proved as much. We don't know exactly how they'll do it with the Rebuild's ending, but I suspect we'll see something similar. |
2008-05-08, 02:21 | Link #735 | |
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That's why I said "I believe" and "in my opinion". Art is completed, for all intents and purposes, in the eye of the beholder.
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2008-05-08, 03:27 | Link #736 | |
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that s why my interpretations are flawed (not like they would be perfect now but if i had the courage to rewatch the serie again i would prolly come up with some stuff that makes more sense) |
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2008-05-08, 03:33 | Link #737 |
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I remembered Anno was asked in the interview that was Eva has anything to do with religions, chirstianity. His answer was simple No. He said he used christians symbols because they were 'cool'. Nothing related to God and Christ but certainly one can easily relate to as it's open for interpretation.
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2008-05-08, 04:15 | Link #738 |
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I don't think I entirely buy that argument. The religious motif and all its paradoxes seems to have spilled over. I think Anno meant that religion was not the source material for the show, period. But rather that the themery was liberally borrowed along with all the psychological themes he incorporated. If you ask him if the show was based on psychology or classical music or old mecha, you'd probably get the 'no' answer all the time. Anno seems pretty fickle like that.
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2008-05-08, 09:46 | Link #739 |
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Well Ive always thought that the symbols and themes had meaning in the shows context, however he wasnt really trying to make any commentary on religion or Christianity. To me if you want the bare bones meaning of the series especially EoE, its simply life can be crap when growing up and often in life...shit happens. Life doesnt necessarily get better as you grow older but your ability to cope with it hopefully does...
Inevitably interacting with people will also get you hurt sometimes...its difficult to really understand others since you spend half the time trying to understand yourself. While you will feel pain, sorrow and anguish it makes you truly appreciate the times when you experience joy, happiness and love. In the end its better to feel these myriad of emotions rather than not feeling anything at all. To FEEL is to be HUMAN. To FEEL is to be ALIVE. Last edited by Waking_Dreamer; 2008-05-08 at 10:27. |
2008-05-08, 13:43 | Link #740 | |
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