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Sick if true. Consdiering it would actually be more difficult to do things that way with the animals resisting, the only possible explaination is that the people are sadistic bastards. Though I don't consider peta a reliable source given their obvious bias.
And no I didn't watch the video. If that is what's on it I have no desire to.
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2008-04-20, 22:20 | Link #322 |
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Holy Mother of God...
That was the most unpleasant thing I've seen in a long, long time. I can't believe people actually do that. It was morbid and horrific. I seriously discourage anyone who has even the slightest care for animals from watching that video, unless you're really desensitized to suffering. I didn't make it through the whole thing, after I saw that blood-soaked, hardly recognizable creature that'd been skinned alive blink into the camera and they started working on the next one, I just couldn't take it. Seriously messed up.
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2008-04-20, 22:48 | Link #324 |
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Why don't they kill the animals before skinning them, though? Since that would provide them meat, and the animals wouldn't have to feel the pain, either... (Well, unless they aren't edible, I guess they still could have eaten them after the skinning)
I'm not gonna watch the video since I doubt it will do me any goods...
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Urgh, I would advise you to not watch the video. I had to look away many times, and I'm somewhat strong when it comes to things like this.
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Regardless of that, it's horrific there's actually a demand for these animals to be skinned alive. I know nothing absolutely about skinning, could anyone more enlightened explain what kind of benefits there are to skinning them alive?
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2008-04-21, 01:06 | Link #328 |
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"Humanely" skinning for fur is best done immediately after death. It can be done cleanly soon after death (usually death by bullet through skull) -- this idea of skinning them alive just fails to have any business reasoning (struggling animals damage fur, I'm surprised they don't get the crap bit out of them, etc) .... the only thing I can remotely think of is that bullets are too expensive? I can't imagine any furrier knowingly buying fur obtained this way. This also may be one farm -- period. I don't trust PETA at all -- they're loonies, I've dealt with them. They could be tarring thousands of farms with this one film of one location.
However, at best, this is f*cked up ignorance on the part of whoever owned that business, at worst its just straight-ahead sadism. People simply did not get through most of history getting their clothes by skinning animals alive.... o.O
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And also, I'll still stick with the argument that they want the fur whole without any bullet holes/scratches/cuts, so that's why they don't kill the animals but just beat them. Well, at least they could beat them unconscious, jeez.
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2008-04-21, 01:41 | Link #330 |
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On a completely off-topic note, thanks to all the advertising links, I just found out that Vexx is a platformer videogame for PS2, XBox and Gamecube.
It doesn't make sense to skin an animal while it's alive. Like others have pointed out, you are far more likely to damage the fur while the animal is alive and struggling. Now, the Chinese do cook some animals while its still alive, because it'd taste fresher that way, but that's an entirely different story. Similarly, Japanese sushi chefs fillet eels and other fish while they're still alive, to retain freshness. It's the same kind of "cruelty", but for different reasons. That said, this particular tanner would probably need to be investigated further. Anything to do with meat or fur is likely to involve some cruelty. It's a matter of how much you can avoid. |
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They don't usually use the fur from the head as far as I know. The only reason I could see to not do something like shoot them is you don't want blood splatter on the fur. However there are lots of other ways they could kill the animal first. The only reason to do it this way is sadism. Even if they did something like hang the animals just before skinning it would be a step up and any time wasted by killing them first would be saved by them not struggling.
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I came up with the name in 1985 as an NPC dragon for a tabletop D&D campaign (full name: Vexxallarius Venturi --- badly mangled mixing of latin and an Italian name would be "silver-high-velocity-throat") - nickname: Vexx I started using it online as a nick in IRC and Usenet in the late '80s (NASA:JSC access) and first used it on the Web in 1994. Some people actually call me that in real life The VEXX game came much later... pity they didn't ask me first (game released in 2003) I registered vexx.net in 1996 (site is down at the moment) .... someone grabbed vexx.com in 2004 I noted but they've not done much with it. I figure I'll outlast the game company... and probably any owners of the other vexx.* domains....
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PETA does certainly give animal-rights people a bad name... But what gets in my craw is that whenever someone says "Hmm maybe we could use cell culture techniques and in silico model testing for corrosivity trials" or "I think fur farming is unethical" theres always a slog of people going "YOU PETA NUTJOB ****ER" and someone invariably links articles like the one posted above.
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I wouldn't go so far as to call hunters sadists. Shooting with a bow and arrow is probably just part of the sport. But drive-by shootings on wild animals - that one doesn't make much sense to me.
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