Ore no Imouto - Light Novel & Manga Discussion Thread

[sooj]

I found this which seems to summary the entire novel here http://pastebin.com/P29L9k98 even though it makes no mention of a second kiss, it does seem pretty legit. someone else probably posted it but i guess i missed it???

Spoiler for latest novel spoiler:

-Kyousuke takes Kirino on a date to Akihabara using buying a new Eroge as an excuse to take her there. Even going so far to book a hotel room they could stay at. Though, they only use it to play the eroge they bought. While viewing the Christmas Tree in Akihabara, Kirino tells Kyousuke she plans on studying abroad after graduation. Kyousuke tells her that he's in love with someone. Kirino starts tearing up and runs away. Kyousuke chases after her.

-Kaori, Saori, and Kuroneko appear in a minivan (decorated with Siscalypse). They've been following the 2 of them for a while, and decide to help Kyousuke chase after Kirino. Saori tells him that she and Kaori have reconciled.

-Flashback to the end of volume 10. Ayase confesses to Kyousuke, but he rejected her. Telling her that he's in love with someone else. Ayase cries and kisses Kyousuke's cheek goodbye.

-On December 20th, days before his date with Kirino, he calls Kuroneko. He also rejects her and gives the same reason he told Ayase. But, he tells her how he really feels about her. After crying for some time, Kuroneko rips the Destiny Record apart, and becomes Yamineko, promising Kyousuke that she'll cast the biggest curse of her life on him.

-Kyousuke catches up to Kirino, and tells her that he loves her. Kuroneko, using the car audio, plays the confession Kyousuke told her about on the phone...which she recorded. Turns out this is the biggest curse she planned on casting on him.

-Kyousuke asks Kirino to not go anywhere, and then asks her to marry him. She says Yes. Back in the Hotel Room, Kyousuke gives her the Ring she asked him to buy for her back in Volume 3. They finish playing the eroge they bought and then go to sleep. (Nothing Happens)

-The next day, Kyousuke and Kirino bump into Saori and Kuroneko. Both have accepted Kyousuke's decision. They later run into Sakurai as well, and she also accepts and respects Kyousuke's choice.
-Kanako had invited Kyousuke to a Meruru Concert she's performing in. During the event, she confesses to him, but he rejects her. She promises to pay him back by becoming a super star.

-One day, Kirino tells Kyousuke that they need to perform a Ceremony for Couples. She shows him the Photo Album she didn't show him before. It's full of Kyousuke's pictures that she stole from their father's photo album.

-On Graduation Day, Manami calls Kirino and Kyousuke, telling them she wishes to fight with Kirino. The 3 of them meet at a park, and Kirino tells her that she's dating Kyousuke now and starts to taunt her. Manami then punches Kirino in the stomach and starts brawling, but Kyousuke breaks it up. Manami yells at Kirino the same thing she told her years ago "BECOME NORMAL SIBLINGS" and repeatedly attemps to convince Kyousuke to end his relationship with Kirino, however, he refuses. Manami then confesses to Kyousuke as well, but he rejects her and chooses Kirino instead. Manami, realizing Kyousuke's decision is final, gives up and kicks him in the stomach.

-Afterwards, Kirino and Kyousuke have their wedding in the same church that Kirino wore the wedding dress at in Volume 9. Kyousuke and Kirino are the only ones there. Kyousuke took care of the Outfits. Afterwards, they Kiss. Kirino then gives back the Ring to Kyousuke. During Christmas Eve, they promised that after Graduation, they would return to being Normal Siblings.

-Kyousuke's final decision is that he won't be with anyone romantically. And that things won't go back to the way they were before.

-In the Epilogue, Kyousuke and Kirino go to an Offline meeting in Akihabara.
-Sena and Makabe have started dating.
-Kyousuke and Kirino never told their parents what happened between them.

-Kirino told Ayase that she and Kyousuke are/were dating, however, Ayase's reaction is never shown.

-Mikagami became close with Bridget at a Meruru Fan Club meeting. They were caught by the Paparazzi when Mikagami dropped Bridget off at her house. However, Mikagami proudly announced his hobby and that he's really only interested in Unreal 2D Girls".

-The End of the volume states that the Bonus Novel that comes with the 1st DVD/BD of the Anime will take place 10 Years After the narrative. So once again...we have to wait to see what'll happen

[omimon]

I think the problem people see is only part "moral" and more "too sudden". I mean had the author made Kyousuke's feelings more evident since the beginning it wouldn't be as controversial. Just look at Koi Kaze, it was leading into an incest ending since chapter 1 and I think it's one of the most beautiful series ever. Had this series been less manga/anime/eroge centric and more incest/moral it would have been a lot easier to stomach.

[Xical]

How much of the hate for Kirino como from mixing media (mainly LN with anime)?
It may be the same story, but the way it is told portrait the characters in a different angle, and now we know even the anime production is not exactly in the Kirino boat but with other chara, and that may have affected the way Kirino is showed in anime, making people hate even her LN version.
btw, I don't understand all the hate to Manami even as a Kirino shipper, I like her character and was also rotting for her ( in case of not Kirino end), she is the closest to Kyosuke, she understand he the most, and even if he denies it he as feelings for her (remember Kyo answer to Kohei question about Manami getting a boyfriend? is almost the same answer he give about Kirino getting a boyfriend), you may say Manami as a hidden agenda, and yes it is true, she want Kyo, or at least she want Kyo to be happy.
(coming back later to elaborate more on this, time to go to work)

[tommythecat]

Originally Posted by Xical

How much of the hate for Kirino como from mixing media (mainly LN with anime)?
It may be the same story, but the way it is told portrait the characters in a different angle, and now we know even the anime production is not exactly in the Kirino boat but with other chara, and that may have affected the way Kirino is showed in anime, making people hate even her LN version.
btw, I don't understand all the hate to Manami even as a Kirino shipper, I like her character and was also rotting for her ( in case of not Kirino end), she is the closest to Kyosuke, she understand he the most, and even if he denies it he as feelings for her (remember Kyo answer to Kohei question about Manami getting a boyfriend? is almost the same answer he give about Kirino getting a boyfriend), you may say Manami as a hidden agenda, and yes it is true, she want Kyo, or at least she want Kyo to be happy.
(coming back later to elaborate more on this, time to go to work)

I don't understand the Manami hate either, yeah she's manipulative but so are all the other girls in their own ways. She was never actually doing anything that could be considered evil. I love Kirino as well but hearing that Manami punched her when she was acting like a spoiled little brat in this novel put a smile on my face.

Originally Posted by omimon

I think the problem people see is only part "moral" and more "too sudden". I mean had the author made Kyousuke's feelings more evident since the beginning it wouldn't be as controversial. Just look at Koi Kaze, it was leading into an incest ending since chapter 1 and I think it's one of the most beautiful series ever. Had this series been less manga/anime/eroge centric and more incest/moral it would have been a lot easier to stomach.

The issue is you can technically make the case that Kyousuke's actions are what speaks his true feelings but it's pretty ambivalent. He never once admits to himself that he "really" cares for Kirino so much that he wants to be her lover. The problem here is that via narration he is lying to himself and it sounds so tongue and cheek when he does it seems like satire or a parody. So you get to the newest novel and in an instant he is now completely honest and now wants to be Kirino's lover. It's a huge leap in the narrative and I would argue in logic but I can understand the converse argument that the signs were there but I don't particularly agree with that interpretation of events.

[risingstar3110]

So it is Kirino end, is it?

I will wait until official confirmation from one of us, then of course there is that Bonus Novel to consider. But the spoiler seems believable


Would have prefer a romantic and closure ending, rather than half reset like it is through.

[Mystic_Vegetto]

Originally Posted by sooj

I found this which seems to summary the entire novel here http://pastebin.com/P29L9k98 even though it makes no mention of a second kiss, it does seem pretty legit. someone else probably posted it but i guess i missed it???

Spoiler for latest novel spoiler:

-Kyousuke takes Kirino on a date to Akihabara using buying a new Eroge as an excuse to take her there. Even going so far to book a hotel room they could stay at. Though, they only use it to play the eroge they bought. While viewing the Christmas Tree in Akihabara, Kirino tells Kyousuke she plans on studying abroad after graduation. Kyousuke tells her that he's in love with someone. Kirino starts tearing up and runs away. Kyousuke chases after her.

-Kaori, Saori, and Kuroneko appear in a minivan (decorated with Siscalypse). They've been following the 2 of them for a while, and decide to help Kyousuke chase after Kirino. Saori tells him that she and Kaori have reconciled.

-Flashback to the end of volume 10. Ayase confesses to Kyousuke, but he rejected her. Telling her that he's in love with someone else. Ayase cries and kisses Kyousuke's cheek goodbye.

-On December 20th, days before his date with Kirino, he calls Kuroneko. He also rejects her and gives the same reason he told Ayase. But, he tells her how he really feels about her. After crying for some time, Kuroneko rips the Destiny Record apart, and becomes Yamineko, promising Kyousuke that she'll cast the biggest curse of her life on him.

-Kyousuke catches up to Kirino, and tells her that he loves her. Kuroneko, using the car audio, plays the confession Kyousuke told her about on the phone...which she recorded. Turns out this is the biggest curse she planned on casting on him.

-Kyousuke asks Kirino to not go anywhere, and then asks her to marry him. She says Yes. Back in the Hotel Room, Kyousuke gives her the Ring she asked him to buy for her back in Volume 3. They finish playing the eroge they bought and then go to sleep. (Nothing Happens)

-The next day, Kyousuke and Kirino bump into Saori and Kuroneko. Both have accepted Kyousuke's decision. They later run into Sakurai as well, and she also accepts and respects Kyousuke's choice.
-Kanako had invited Kyousuke to a Meruru Concert she's performing in. During the event, she confesses to him, but he rejects her. She promises to pay him back by becoming a super star.

-One day, Kirino tells Kyousuke that they need to perform a Ceremony for Couples. She shows him the Photo Album she didn't show him before. It's full of Kyousuke's pictures that she stole from their father's photo album.

-On Graduation Day, Manami calls Kirino and Kyousuke, telling them she wishes to fight with Kirino. The 3 of them meet at a park, and Kirino tells her that she's dating Kyousuke now and starts to taunt her. Manami then punches Kirino in the stomach and starts brawling, but Kyousuke breaks it up. Manami yells at Kirino the same thing she told her years ago "BECOME NORMAL SIBLINGS" and repeatedly attemps to convince Kyousuke to end his relationship with Kirino, however, he refuses. Manami then confesses to Kyousuke as well, but he rejects her and chooses Kirino instead. Manami, realizing Kyousuke's decision is final, gives up and kicks him in the stomach.

-Afterwards, Kirino and Kyousuke have their wedding in the same church that Kirino wore the wedding dress at in Volume 9. Kyousuke and Kirino are the only ones there. Kyousuke took care of the Outfits. Afterwards, they Kiss. Kirino then gives back the Ring to Kyousuke. During Christmas Eve, they promised that after Graduation, they would return to being Normal Siblings.

-Kyousuke's final decision is that he won't be with anyone romantically. And that things won't go back to the way they were before.

-In the Epilogue, Kyousuke and Kirino go to an Offline meeting in Akihabara.
-Sena and Makabe have started dating.
-Kyousuke and Kirino never told their parents what happened between them.

-Kirino told Ayase that she and Kyousuke are/were dating, however, Ayase's reaction is never shown.

-Mikagami became close with Bridget at a Meruru Fan Club meeting. They were caught by the Paparazzi when Mikagami dropped Bridget off at her house. However, Mikagami proudly announced his hobby and that he's really only interested in Unreal 2D Girls".

-The End of the volume states that the Bonus Novel that comes with the 1st DVD/BD of the Anime will take place 10 Years After the narrative. So once again...we have to wait to see what'll happen

Those are the spoilers I posted on Monday. Let me be clear here, I deleted the post regarding those spoilers because at the time, I had no proof. It wasn't until yesterday that proof started to come out, and even then, there were things not mentioned in the spoilers I posted. So yeah, let's wait for more clear spoilers so that we know what really happened.

[frivolity]

The final couple in harem romantic comedies are often "too sudden", because the whole point of the story is to maintain suspense all the way until the end. In order to do this, the story has to be written in such a way that every single girl still has a chance up until the big reveal. This leads to the situation where the author could have gone with the other routes at the end and it wouldn't entirely come out of left field. The downside is that this dilutes the final couple, whichever one it is, making it too sudden. This is seen in other anime such as AkaSaka, KoiChoco, and the most famous example of A Town Where You Rage.

With OreImo, most girls still had a realistic chance of winning even at the end of Volume 11. Volume 12 could foreseeably have gone with Kuroneko, Ayase, or Manami, and still retain some consistency, though all of them would probably also face the problem of being unrealistic to varying degrees.

As an aside, I don't watch all of her anime, but KanaHana's characters seem to end up losing recently. From Nadeko to Charlotte Dunois, Ayase (Guilty Crown), Zessica, and now Kuroneko, all ended up suffering heartbreak in the end.

[tommythecat]

Also you should note Oreimo didn't really become a harem romcom until like the 6-7th novel. So it was already a huge gear shift.

[Sakuratsuki]

Originally Posted by nikohowell

1. what happened to kuroneko in the end?

2. incest anime ranking

1. yosuga no sora
2. Koko Naka ni hitori
3. oreimo
4. onii-chan dakedo ae sai

Onii-chan dakedo ae sai

You can take this novel out of the incest raking list. Because it is mentioned clearly in the anime/novel that they are not blood related. I dont count that as incest. And they didnt see each other for a long time and they are not practicaly real family. So dont count it as incest.

[finalfury]

Originally Posted by tommythecat

Also you should note Oreimo didn't really become a harem romcom until like the 6-7th novel. So it was already a huge gear shift.

10th and I quote the 10th novel is when it become harem. 2 girls =/= harem. It equals a love triangle. 6-7th novel is when it became romcom.
10th is the only novel where I can really say it became a harem since 11 kinda backpedaled.

[tommythecat]

Originally Posted by finalfury

10th and I quote the 10th novel is when it become harem. 2 girls =/= harem. It equals a love triangle. 6-7th novel is when it became romcom.
10th is the only novel where I can really say it became a harem since 11 kinda backpedaled.

Perhaps, you could make the case that by that time you could see that everyone liked him (Kuroneko, Manami, Ayase, and even Kirino.) Though I don't disagree it finally hit the fan in the tenth, makes the whole thing even more of a gear shift really.

[Sakuratsuki]

Originally Posted by DevG

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR HARD WORK ON VOLUME 11

After reading the spoilers for kirino x Kyosuke, I felt sad I spoiled it but I was litterly bursting with energy that I couldnt lay down anymore on my iphone, I grabbed my headphones and blasteted the main theme of oreimo, and did 50 pushups as fast as I could then 300 jumping jacks, 35 pushups then 200 jumping jacks thne 20 pushups and 100 jumping jacks!

IF I HADNT DONE THAT I WOULD STILL BE HYPER ALL MORNING LONG! THIS REALLY PUT SO MUCH ENERGY IN ME!


I only wish that feeling lasted even longer! If i read volume 12 to that point, I litterly could have run a marathon HAHA! I REALLY FEEL THIS WAY

CHAOS THANK YOU AGAIN, Please try your best to get volume 12 out asap If you need anything please ask me, ask me ask me!

IM SOO HAPPY THIS IS WHAT I WANTED FROM THE START Kirino X Kyosuke ftw!!!

Finally after 11 volumes the real romance came in, but the author NEEDS to follow up on this!!

GOOD LUCK CHAOSS I will ask arround for the raws so I Can give them to you, everyone help him! Ask all reviewers to get the raws to him!!!!

I had the same feeling yesterday man. Ahahahahahh i couldnt fucking get any sleep yesterday. And that kiss damn that was good . I have supported kirino x kyousuke from the start. To me in this whole story they didnt look like siblings to me. So i dont have any problem with the incest part at all.

[Wilshere]

Originally Posted by mayid

I had the same feeling yesterday man. Ahahahahahh i couldnt fucking get any sleep yesterday. And that kiss damn that was good . I have supported kirino x kyousuke from the start. To me in this whole story they didnt look like siblings to me. So i dont have any problem with the incest part at all.

Will its kinda embarrasing but I dreamed about the kiss right after I read the summary LOL as a Kirino shipper I cant get more happy

[Maugomale]

AkibaBlog interview (NSFW ads):

http://blog.livedoor.jp/geek/archives/51398141.html

[tommythecat]

Originally Posted by Maugomale

AkibaBlog interview (NSFW ads):

http://blog.livedoor.jp/geek/archives/51398141.html

oh boy, I gotta hear this.

[Sakuratsuki]

Originally Posted by Maugomale

AkibaBlog interview (NSFW ads):

http://blog.livedoor.jp/geek/archives/51398141.html

Hopefully sombody can tell us what is being told there. Tried to use google translate. LOL the translation doesn't make any sense.

[dragon1412]

Sadly, the article you post have no spoiler. About the content, its just a personal interview, the sales, how it start-up but still thanks you for your effort

[Mystic_Vegetto]

Originally Posted by mayid

Hopefully sombody can tell us what is being told there. Tried to use google translate. LOL the translation doesn't make any sense.

Relentlessflame usually just sums up these interviews. I'm sure he might post something. But yeah, seems like normal interview talk.

[dragon1412]

Originally Posted by Mystic_Vegetto

Relentlessflame usually just sums up these interviews. I'm sure he might post something. But yeah, seems like normal interview talk.

if you want a summary then here,
the interview is split into 3 part:
the 1st part is the staff interview about the book sales with it's sell all the reprint in a flash
the 2nd part is about the book, i'e the startup , with some comment about the illustration, some comment.
the 3rd part is the interview with the author, but the question just stop at how he potrait the story, the character, etc... with no content related to the spoiler.

[Kakurin]

To continue the translation:

Spoiler for Chapter 1 continuation:

- "... because of your fault, I will have to remember this shameful experience forever."
- "It's your fault, right?" "Ha? It was your fault"
- They continue to quarrel, while walking to Omotesando Hills - another place Kyousuke visited three years ago. And a place Kirino seems to visit quite often.
- Kirino: "By the way, if you want to a date with a girlfriend, don't you think taking the train is not appropriate?" "Don't you think you should arrive there in a cool car?"
- Kyousuke in an inner monologue thinks that taking the train is the most comfortable way, considering how many people there are.
- Kyousuke: "What? Are you saying... that if I get a license, you would date me?"
- "He... Ai?" Hahahaha, succesfully caused Kirino to let out a strange sound~
- "What, What are you saying!"
- "Hehehe, I am a man. So, of course I want to get my license. I plan to take the driver's test, as soon as I graduate." "He...he... really"
- "You and Ayase once were on a poster of Mazda in Chiba. Ever since then I planned to get a license." ".... then, thank you." "Your poster / ad was really perfect." "Heh, even if you have this desire, you still can't buy a Mazda."
- Kyousuke thinks that, no, aside from him another person was interested, their father (daughter-con).
- "Huhu, Kirino, don't you feel honoured. When I get my license, you will get the chance of having a special tour." "I decline, sitting next to a rookie, there will be an accident for sure."
- Kyousuke teases Kirino to repeat what she said before (pick her up in a car). He thinks, how can girls so casually speak conflicting thinks.
- Kirino replies that when Kyousuke has enough experience and she is in the mood, he can drive her.

- They enter Omotesando Hills and he thinks about the atmosphere, how it makes the couples there pretty happy.
- "Kirino, let's take a picture." "Oh, coming from your mouth, this really is a good idea." "Good, then quickly go to the front of that tree, I'll take the picture."
- Just as he is about to take the picture, Kirino hesitates and a couple approaches them and offers to take a picture of Kyousuke and Kirino together, if they also help them to take a picture.
- They take the picture, afterwards: "Hehe, what, you badly wanted to take a picture with me?" "Idiot, don't ask something that disgusting."

- They enter and see a number of beautiful shops. Kyousuke suddenly remembers that three years ago he also passed here and had to pass lingerie shops...
- Kirino sees him a little bit concerned (due to that memory) and teases him, he tells her to shut up and asks which store they will be visiting. Kirino tells him to leave it up to her, she already thought it out.
- "Heh, you're really reliable... Oi, don't suddenly walk to this seemingly very expensive store!"
- Kyousuke whispers to her that he has only this amount of money...
- "Hmm... 500.000 Yen?" "It's 50.000!"
- Kyousuke wonders why Kirino though he had a digit more and thinks that she doesn't know how much he struggled to get that 50.000 together.
- Kyousuke fears that Kirino will get angry, but this development doesn't happen.
- Kirino: "OK, this shop is good." "Is, is that so?" "Good stores doesn't automatically mean it's expensive --- just leave it to me."
- Kyousuke is so unsure that he nearly grabbed the tip of Kirino's clothes when going in.
- After an hour they are finished (WTH, an hour...) Kyousuke looks into the mirror
- "Like, like that?"
- Shop manager: "It fits you perfectly. That's Kirino-chans boyfriend for you.~"
- Kirino (?) refutes annoyed.
- Shop manager: "Because it fits that well, how about I give you a little discount!"
- Kirino is happy at that suggestion. Kyousuke thinks that this is a natural reaction for a salesperson. The important thing is how Kirino with her sense of fashion thinks about it.
- "...does it look good?" "Yes, very cool!" Kirino sports a smile.
- "Really?!" "I'm talking about the clothes." "Don't say half-finished sentences!"
- Kyousuke feels that today he really is played with. Kirino and the manager both laugh.
- The jacket and shirt cost 35.000 Yen.
- Kyousuke wonders about how much a man changes with his outfit and thinks he really looks like a man now. He thinks how he really is a simple-minded person.
- He looks at Kirino. "--- What is it?" "Nothing"
- Kyousuke thinks that dressed like that he and Kirino look more fitting. That way people won't wonder about them (due to Kirino dressed very well and he... very plain).