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Old 2012-10-22, 06:04   Link #1141
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I don’t really think it’s all that complicated. Ichigo has always had a hard time getting in touch with his shinigami powers. I’m pretty sure it took eight books before he learned Zangetsu’s name (correct me if I’m wrong—I’m doing this based on memory).
Ichigo's always had a hard time taking complete control over his power. But getting in touch with and communicating with zangetsu was something he had to master in order to learn bankai. I've got nothing else to say in regards to your other points.
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Old 2012-10-22, 13:48   Link #1142
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Ichigo's always had a hard time taking complete control over his power. But getting in touch with and communicating with zangetsu was something he had to master in order to learn bankai.
Ah, that's true. Thanks for the correction.
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Old 2012-10-22, 15:37   Link #1143
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Being able to detect sarcasm is a comprehensive reading skill. Apparently you lack it. Or maybe you couldn’t come up with anything ‘snappier’ to say and tried to demean my intellect. Well, aren’t you just original?
Of course I got the sarcasm, that's why I was being condescending in the first place.

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The people of this forum will most likely be negative the majority of the time because of how hard Kubo trolls his readers, but we continue to read because we like Bleach. We can be upset and angry at something and still like it. We vent on the forums because we care about this series. If you can’t understand that than maybe you're at the wrong forum.
Well, that's a fair enough answer (minus the last sentence), you should have come with this instead of the unnecessary sarcasms.
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Old 2012-10-22, 17:50   Link #1144
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Well, that's a fair enough answer (minus the last sentence), you should have come with this instead of the unnecessary sarcasms.
My original post to you was to emulate the same tone you started with. If you want to be treated with respect and dignity than post with such—not just call out angry fans and tell them to stop ‘watching’ something that they read. Despite this though, I’m glad that you can understand where I and other upset fans are coming from. I rather us come to a consensus than continue this discussion. It is rather pointless and derivative by now.
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Old 2012-10-22, 21:36   Link #1145
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Ichigo's always had a hard time taking complete control over his power. But getting in touch with and communicating with zangetsu was something he had to master in order to learn bankai. I've got nothing else to say in regards to your other points.
Not exactly. Yorurichi used Urahara's training device to force Zangetsu to manifest. All Ichigo had to do then was fight Zangetsu into submission. He had reached a point where he was beginning to gain better understanding of Zangetsu (after fighting Kenpachi) but he had not yet learned to talk with him at will and didn't have to learn that in order to obtain his bankai.

Ichigo didn't learn proper communication with Zangetsu through jinzen until Isshin taught him right before he was about fight Aizen. Before that, he could call Zangetsu's power, but he wasn't actually communicating directly with him.

Though it hasn't been said outright, I'm guessing Zangetsu did return and Ichigo can still intuitively call on his powers like he did before though Zangetsu hasn't manifested himself yet.
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Old 2012-10-22, 22:18   Link #1146
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Not exactly. Yorurichi used Urahara's training device to force Zangetsu to manifest. All Ichigo had to do then was fight Zangetsu into submission. He had reached a point where he was beginning to gain better understanding of Zangetsu (after fighting Kenpachi) but he had not yet learned to talk with him at will and didn't have to learn that in order to obtain his bankai.

Ichigo didn't learn proper communication with Zangetsu through jinzen until Isshin taught him right before he was about fight Aizen. Before that, he could call Zangetsu's power, but he wasn't actually communicating directly with him.
I think I might be using a more broad and generalized sense of the term "communicate" in comparison to you. From the way I see it, communication between a shinigami and their zanpakuto spirit isn't just limited to direct communication--whether it be the spirit manifesting in the physical realm or the shinigami delving in their own inner world.

I see communication as having occur whenever a shinigami consciously taps into their zanpakuto's spirit to borrow and/or share power, whether it be a boost in reiatsu or to utilize the zanpakuto's abilities. And since the very act of borrowing and sharing implies that communication take place on some level, from that stems the basis of my perspective on the issue. In that sense, Ichigo started to gain a firm grasp on how to communicate with Zangetsu since the end of his battle with Kenpachi. Afterall, this was when he was able to clearly feel and witness the difference between working alongside his zanpakuto's spirit and fighting alone.

So I consider having learned bankai to be the point at which he mastered the art of communicating with zangetsu's *shinigami* powers at will. I emphasize the term "shinigami" only because we all know there was a whole other side to those powers he still had to deal with before he could finally take control of the sum total of his potential.

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Old 2012-10-23, 06:54   Link #1147
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what i want to know is what happened to ichigo's hollow side? i kinda miss that crazy dude. did he lose it when he lost his shinigami powers? so does that mean he doesn't have it anymore now that he has regained his powers? if that's the case then i'm a bit disappointed. i liked the vizard ichigo. heck, i like his hollow side more than ichigo himself!
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Old 2012-10-23, 07:54   Link #1148
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Bach use Yama-jii Bankai

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Old 2012-10-23, 13:20   Link #1149
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Old 2012-10-23, 13:43   Link #1150
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lol. I'm seeing people across various forums thinking & hoping those spoilers to be false. I have to admit, I'll have a big grin on my face if this turns out to be true though. Even though I felt like it was easy to see coming, it'll be nice to know I can finally start making some serious speculations on the matter.
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Old 2012-10-23, 13:48   Link #1151
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oh they're real alright...they've been confirmed by the medaka box spoilers guy and the one piece spoilers guy

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Old 2012-10-23, 14:11   Link #1152
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Well, if that's true, then it looks like Ishida is going to have start training his new brother from another mother. Byakuya will have to finally RIP. And kubo will have officially completed the framework necessary to make Ichigo out to be a GOD once all is said and done.

Seriously, giving Ichigo quincy powers, might as well be tantamount to giving Ichigo freaking sage mode. So say hello infinite GT. If you thought you got spammed enough as it is, you haven't seen anything yet. Plus, keeping in mind the mechanics behind how his bankai works, if he can learn to combine the ability to absorb extra reishi from the environment with his bankai, that could potentially mean...well...let me just say the term "OP" would be putting it lightly.

Honestly, I'm still not convinced he even needs Quincy powers. His final bankai form seemed overpowered enough as it is.
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Old 2012-10-23, 19:27   Link #1153
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So those fucking spoilers are true?

Jesus f**king Christ, Ichigo's got Quincy blood now? So all of those theories about Masaki being a Quincy might actually be true????? And all I thought was that they are fan theories.

And Ishida gets f**ked over somehow. Because only Ichigo is allowed to rule.


Otherwise, finally RIP NII-SAMA who should've fucking died chapters ago....Now Kubo can finally put everyone else out of their misery since we all know it be about Ichigo for good now...with occasional interludes from Rukia and Renji whenever Kubo needs Villian fodder.
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Old 2012-10-24, 00:08   Link #1154
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lol so kubo really did go the quincy route eh? well, if it's true then i can't say it would come as a shock. after what kishi did with tobi, i won't be surprised anymore.
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Old 2012-10-24, 00:17   Link #1155
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Byakuya may still be alive.

Someone pointed out that

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Unfortunately, he could still come back. Renji's hilt was destroyed when he fought Byakuya the first time too. And he's still alive, albeit unconscious on a rock pile.
Zanpakutou is basically made up of spirit particles, and the sheer number of Quincy running loose in Soul Society will absorb anything, including Zanpakutou fragments, as fuel for their powers.


But I WTF'd when Ichigo used Blut Vene.
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Old 2012-10-24, 00:54   Link #1156
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So when the enemies were Shinigami, Ichigo gained Bankai(Shinigamification).

When the enemies were Arrancars, Ichigo gained Hollow powers(Hollowfication).

When the enemies were fulbringers, Ichigo gained a Fulbring(Fulbringification)

Now the enemies are Quincie's, Ichigo began gaining Quincy powers(Quincification)

Next, the enemy will probably be a God/Spirit King, so following this logic(Godification or Spirit Kingfication)

SO, Godchigo is just a matter of time...
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Old 2012-10-24, 01:03   Link #1157
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I don't really know how to feel about this chapter. It was pretty predictable besides the sword in the throat, take-him-back-to-the-base whatnot. I don't know what Blut Vene is either. Is that a move that has been used in the past and I just don't remember? Or have I not been paying enough attention in this new arc?
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Old 2012-10-24, 01:07   Link #1158
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Oh hey Ichigo can use Quincy powers, ugh, dropping bleach.
I can't stand reading this train wreck anymore

I rather watch REAL Bleach. At least I need to use it more often.
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Old 2012-10-24, 01:09   Link #1159
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And Ichigo is now a substitute quincy dun dun dun
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whoa whoa whoa. someone please explain that last page for me. wtf happened?
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