2012-07-04, 06:26 | Link #482 |
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I haven't read/played Total Eclipse at all, so I went into this fresh.
As soon as I saw "1997" though, all I can think of was "ah geez, this anime is gonna be hell on Earth". I don't recognize these characters, and if I recall, this was the start of the biggest bloodshed on Japan soil. Overall the animation direction didn't impress me. I hope they do get the ball rolling good, I really would love to see Muv-luv and Alt get animated eventually.
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Just a message for anyone else reading this: Do not read summaries for Muv-Luv! You'll get spoiled beyond your wildest dreams, which isn't worth whatever extra information you get for Total Eclipse. Just enjoy the darn anime, as it seems to do a good enough job of explaining what's happening, and ask the members here for any extra info. Quote:
I agree that it is a clever business decision. While I'm not as pessimistic as you are about an adaptation of Extra, as I think trimming some of the more unfun moments and condensing the storyline would make Extra much better, animating Total Eclipse first was a much more pragmatic path to take. And it works well for VN readers like me, because we get to see more of our favorite universe! Also, I don't consider what happened in Madoka Magica to be a genre shift. It was a slight mood shift, but the first two episodes of the anime had a generally serious and pensive atmosphere anyway. Very few people expected it to be "Cutsie Moe Generic Mahou Shoujo 12359". And maybe my memory is bad, but I don't remember it getting "heavily rained on". There were some haters as usual, but most of them popped up after the third episode hyped the fandom up. Quote:
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2012-07-04, 07:20 | Link #484 |
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Well, I have started slugging through Extra before the TE anime started airing. I have laid my first foot into the franchise through figurines. orz
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2012-07-04, 07:45 | Link #485 | |
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I made a point to avoid reading the Wiki summaries of various installments of Muv-Luv, and just focused on the sheer number of entries in the Muv-Luv Franchise, which is rather large. I'm usually an anime-only guy. I've dabbled slightly in VNs and manga and light novels, but not to any really significant extent. So I'm sure for other anime-only guys and gals, this show here will obviously be their introduction to Muv-Luv. Will we be potentially disappointed with a major genre shift for any other Muv-Luv anime? Sure, but that couldn't be helped. It's quite possible I'll have little to no interest in any other Muv-Luv anime shows, as I'm not that big on harem anime (at least not as a primary genre). But I'm sure that for complaints like "This is not Muv-Luv!" just point people to Wiki, and show all the Muv-Luv properties that predate this anime, and I'm sure that most people will realize that this anime isn't necessarily the definitive Muv-Luv. Heck, the title itself is a dead giveaway. Muv-Luv Alternative. Well, clearly then, it must be an alternative to some other Muv-Luv that came before it.
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2012-07-04, 08:57 | Link #487 |
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It's also an alternative scenario to Muv-Luv Extra (Juliet Hotel Charlie I hated Extra, even the fan translators hated it) and Unlimited (which is generally better but takes too long to get into since you need to clear Extra first).
I have never facepalmed so many times reading a VN as I did with Extra. And this despite a gaming diet of VNs (since, when I first started computer gaming, the only games that would run on my Pentium 386 with 24MB ram were C&C, RA1, Starcraft and VN Eroge , and whatever DOS games I could find).
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2012-07-04, 09:10 | Link #488 | |
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2012-07-04, 09:15 | Link #489 |
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The problem is that part of what gives Unlimited it's appeal is it takes the Hero of Extra and throws him out from a harem comedy into a grimdark DESPAIR THE FLOOR IS MADE OF BETA NOMNOMNOM series. He's stuck in a world similar to his, but not his own.
Unlimited is a good story, actually. The problem is that to get to Unlimited, you have to get through Extra first. Also, I think I need to revise my grimdark estimates - I've been playing Spec Ops: The Line, aka Heart of Dubai: Sandpocalypse now. It's mindfuck grimdark on a level that I find actually more disturbing than Alternative, and a brutal deconstruction of military shooters and hard men making hard decisions. After that, I don't think Total Eclipse will be too much of a problem. At least the grimdark isn't as insidiously mindfuck as Spec Ops: The Line (average/decent gameplay, awesome story that completely and constantly fucks with you).
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2012-07-04, 09:34 | Link #490 | |
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I also think that setting up the female characters in an ordinary setting first was a good idea even if the execution wasn't the best, though that's something that would work well in flash-sideways. |
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2012-07-04, 14:17 | Link #493 |
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I think this background about the games as it relates to the anime has been somewhat useful (at least to know how things are connected and what people should avoid, etc.), but I just want to remind everyone that detailed discussion of the game, along with speculation of how other games could/should be adapted, should go to the game thread instead. Some of the comments above are skirting into more information than anime-only viewers need, so I'd kind of like to put a stop to that before it goes much further.
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2012-07-04, 17:23 | Link #495 | |
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2012-07-04, 21:28 | Link #496 |
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This doesn't really help the anime-only viewer, because a) the anime didn't deem it necessary to explain (yet, anyway), and b) you were dangling a spoiler in front of him like "oh there's a good reason all right; I can't tell you the details, but I'll just tease that it's a good one".
At the end of the day, I think the perspective of the anime-only viewer is valuable too, and doesn't necessarily need to be excused away by "if only you played the games, you'd know..." Of course, I'm not saying it's a problem at all for an anime to be appreciated more by existing franchise fans than by newcomers... but I think we'll certainly see some of both in this thread.
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