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If Lacus assumes the position of power, everyone will sway over her, then you'll have that group that comes out of the shadows and says Lacus is manipulating the minds of the people and therefore they have a justifiable cause to wage genocide against her. Well, the Earth Alliance has another excuse for a war... Quote:
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2006-08-21, 16:45 | Link #103 | |
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PLANT Radical: "Let's rebuild our military and mobile suit programs to protect ourselves! I don't trust ORB to maintain the peace, they'll screw things up eventually if Cagalli's previous actions are any indication. We need to be prepared!" Lacus: "Everyone, I understand your feelings but, if people don't put down their weapons, how can we have peace?" Everyone: "Mm-mworhhh!!!" (You know what I'm talking about, that noise everyone makes on GSD when someone's made a point that they can't refute.) Here is the way politics in GSD work - countries are always run by individuals, who can be persuaded of anything if a speaker has the charisma. Lacus can dominate politics everywhere she goes with one-liners that have no content, and yet BWOW, once people hear her "profound' observations about peace, weapons, fighting, and war, there is instant consensus... If Cagalli had had Lacus' speaking skills she could probably have convinced Yuna and his father to forget about an alliance, regardless of all their good reasons for wanting one. In any real political environment, no one caves that easily, EVER, because they have a power base with an ideological POV and vested interests and set views... and which will put them out of a job if they ever cave. Yet politicians in GSD seem to represent only themselves... |
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2006-08-21, 17:19 | Link #105 | |||
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2. The one with a 'sealed bunker' belongs to Murre and Andy, and that would be a mansion, not an orphanage. 3. I use the term Fed loosely. It sure as heck easier to type than 'Earth Alliance' or 'OMNI Enforcer'. Moreover, the Atlantic Federation and Eurasian Federation are the primary culprits behind the war, therefore, using the term 'Feddie' is acceptable. Likewise 'old habits die hard', sue me. 4. His daughter never wanted anything to do with power, not surprising if she doesn't want anything to do with her father's faction, either. 5. She wouldn't simply because she always kept a hands-off attitude towards anything political, unless it threatens the balance of power and the status quo. Quote:
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2006-08-21, 17:36 | Link #107 |
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Everyone seems to be overlooking the reason for the last scene in final + . Gratitude for the efforts of the Clyne faction and a reunification/promotion. Their efforts against the warmongers would be seen as qualification for the job for those in PLANT who are seeking peace.
This new info raises a few questions : Since we know there is alliance with Orb and PLANT, What significance is there of Orb? I would hope it just becomes an earth extension of PLANT with a tolerance for naturals or something. I am sick of the identity issues and hope that is a closed chapter. So who are the enemy? The evil, durandal connected ex-ZAFT and their EA cohorts? I would like more light to be brought to the secret dealings that happened between them. The Destroy data comes to mind but there was more I believe. It would be great to find out that there was a secret alliance that still exists and has had to regroup. |
2006-08-21, 17:38 | Link #108 | |
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2006-08-21, 17:47 | Link #109 | |
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Once again, it was from "GSD 20 questions" in November 2005's Animage edition.
"The fact that ZAFT forces have no clear ranks was an idea borrowed from the old Israel army... " The link I have is now dead, unfortunately, but it was first written here in Animesuki. EDIT: Okay, I got some details from a now archived post at seed-forums. It's an Animage interview with Morita himself. Quote:
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2006-08-21, 17:50 | Link #110 | ||
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2006-08-21, 17:58 | Link #111 |
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It actually seems like this (from the lower-downs to the higher-ups):
Greencoats (cannon fodder) --> Redcoats (top of the Academy class) --> Blackcoats (common commander) --> Whitecoats (ace commander) --> Purplecoats (National Defense / Supreme Council members / generals)
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2006-08-21, 18:09 | Link #113 | |
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As for Lacus? As I said before, I assume she is now in a position of importance in PLANT. Wether that'd be the chairwoman or not, I do not know. At this point, all of us can only speculate. However, if she is now the chairwoman, she won't be one for long, because that is simply not her character. She only wanted to live with Kira in peace, so even if she IS the chairwoman now, she won't be in that position for too long. If FATkuda want to alter her character so drastically (turning Lacus into a power-monger), he'd have to put in some serious work. - Tak Last edited by Tak; 2006-08-21 at 18:25. |
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2006-08-21, 18:31 | Link #115 |
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@Tak - If Lacus is just a glorified mediator, what reason would there be for Kira to wear a whitecoat?? He could very well wear his tasteless leather one-piece with endless straps if his Orb uni is gonna piss ZAFT people off. (which is silly since when people of other nations come together for peace talks they just where their country's uniform since it's understood they are trying to make peace) If a peace mediator from Isreal or China or wherever comes to the US for talks does his/her military entourage wear a US military outfit to somehow compensate or equalize? Since when do guys switching nationalistic factions cosplay in the other guys threads? IMO for Kira to be wearing that outfit (outside of the goofy undercover theory), there has to be some type of official link...Lacus will be that link. You can't just cosplay in ZAFT clothing because you don't wanna rub people the wrong way in your Orb clothing. I know if 'm Yzak or whoever i'd be pissed if somebody was wearing my official rank as some halloween costume. It has to mean more than what you are suggesting is all I'm saying.
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2006-08-21, 18:41 | Link #116 | |
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I miss Kira in this... Obviously, in formal situations, he wouldn't be wearing his so-called 'tasteless leather one-piece'. Besides, I -never- said there wouldn't be a possibility that Kira would be working for ZAFT (in fact, I like the idea), and if he is going to work for ZAFT, then he needs the whitey. I also never said Lacus isn't working for ZAFT. I said she became an individual of importance, and might as well be the temporary chairwoman. However, its a position she doesn't want forever, because that wouldn't be her character. In any case, these are all just speculations, we won't know until the SEs are all out for us to see, so I am gonna corss my fingers and wait. Although with all seriousness, her current position does not allow her to do anything but peace talks. Unless she had committed a coup de tat with her fleet during the last battle. Once again, however, that would have been very uncharacteristic of her. And I don't agree with that silly undercover theory, either. - Tak Last edited by Tak; 2006-08-21 at 19:19. |
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2006-08-21, 19:13 | Link #117 |
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If we really want to be technical about official details, Lacus technically, cannot represent any side other than PLANT/Coordinators in peace mediating/talks, since her life in ORB with Kira is obviously one with fake identities and such, and that being said, the only real military position that Kira still officially holds is O.M.N.I's Lt. Jr Grade who's M.I.A. As a whole, it cannot be said that Lacus and Terminal is a outsider faction when it is mainly composed of ZAFT/former ZAFT units. No one gave a damn when ex-ZAFTies/etc wore ZAFT military uniforms even when they're battling ZAFT, but makes a big deal out of Kira in a white when Kira can be considered the sword and shield of Terminal.
Terminal doesn't have their own uniform and Lacus isn't Cagalli when dealing in peace talks. Not unless we want to officially create a Terminal Uniform composed of red cloaks and a mask. |
2006-08-21, 19:50 | Link #118 | |
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Stop the Star Wars implications. It's stupid and I find it rather insulting as a bigger fan of Star Wars than of Gundam. Other than Shinn's actions near the end of GSD being loosely similar to the way Anakin was manipulated by Palpatine, the two are almost completely unrelated.
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2006-08-21, 20:15 | Link #119 |
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Wow. just saw that picture. Interesting and it makes me happy because it means Kira will have some new screentime in the new SE's.
I think Kira looks good in anything he wears and the white zaft uniform is no exception. (anyone sees the Kira fan here?) But I don't think Kira can ever join Zaft. I mean true. Athrun betrayed Zaft but he had a lot of achievements in Zaft and all, but Kira was an EA and Orb soldier, fighting all his life againts ZAFT. I mean it is rather strange if he will not get killed because of treason. Also Kira has an aura of mystery around him as the legandry freedom pilot that probably no one other than a very few know about. Now it will shatter that high picture if he joins ZAFT ever. Isn't it rather stupid for the "legandry freedom pilot" that has fought ZAFT all the time to come and join it? My guess is he is just accompanying Lacus to Plant (probably with an alias) and as someone else mentioned he can't wear Orb uniform there. So the ZAFT uniform (and maybe Lacus thinks White suits him best so he is wearing white?:P) |
2006-08-21, 20:32 | Link #120 | |
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I can't believe I'm letting this get under my skin, but I just don't like it when we as a fandom try to make these far-fetched excuses for characters we like. As if "No one gives a damn" is an acceptable response for this. Sorry for the rant. |
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