2010-05-06, 17:28 | Link #7101 |
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I'm loving the BBC's results page; I wish U.S. House of Representatives elections had such coverage (sadly no one cares).
The exit polls are stunning. Predictions are showing the Lib Dems may actually lose seats. Conservatives are doing amazing, and Labour seats plus Lib Dems seats may be less than a majority. Even though the exit polls are showing a Conservative plurality, the swing from Labour to Conservative in the two reported seats so far is gigantic |
2010-05-06, 17:39 | Link #7102 |
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It'll be interesting to see how well the actual results compare to the exit polls. There are likely to be local fluctuations, but as you say there's been a huge swing in the first two seats that have been called.
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2010-05-06, 19:22 | Link #7103 |
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Exit polls are proving horrible indicators. Conservatives picked up their first gain on a 10% swing from Labour, bigger than Thatcher's. Looking like a Conservative majority. Lib Dems are doing better than the exit polls indicated too, but still not as good as expected.
Horrible about some people who showed up before 10:00 but weren't allowed to vote. And the not having enough ballot papers. (wtf?) |
2010-05-06, 19:51 | Link #7104 | |
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None of this applies to material transmitted across the Internet, phone lines, or any other non-broadcast service. (The "network neutrality" debate concerns these services.) You (and I) might disagree about whether the rules should also apply to broadcast television but, to be honest, while I'm not upset about Janet showing off her assets, it had to have been pretty shocking to more conservative people who just happened to have been watching the Super Bowl. (I'm guessing those people weren't all that happy to have their ten-year-olds watching Janet rub her butt up against Justin's member either.) As for "hearsay," these are complex issues that are generally obscured by rhetoric when discussed by relatively uninformed people on the Internet. That said, I believe these are the issues that people in your generation will be facing long after I'm in the ground. (I agree that debt and environmental issues are also important, as well. I'm just more concerned about freedom of expression because human knowledge and understanding depends on healthy debate. Censorship has become an important issue even in less obviously related fields like climate change and medicine.) As for the election, I'm holding off from commenting until we see more results. I will say that the decline in LibDem support in comparison to the pre-election polls is hardly uncommon. When elections are close, the problem of "wasted" votes becomes more urgent. Voters may choose to support their second-choice candidates if they think their first-choices are unlikely to win. In my own research, I showed that, during the period from 1955-1974, support for the Liberals had a much smaller effect on outcomes because they did best in seats that were safe for one of the major parties. In competitive seats, people tended to stick to the major parties rather than "waste" their votes. Nowadays the LibDems have much greater popular support than they did in the period I studied, but the barriers to representation in Parliament posed by "first-past-the-post" systems still discourages waverers from supporting them. (For American readers, the debates over the role of Ralph Nader in the past two presidential elections is relevant here.)
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2010-05-06, 20:03 | Link #7106 | ||
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2010-05-06, 20:13 | Link #7107 |
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You have my complete agreement regarding it being an important issue. I haven't looked into censoring in media very much, but I definitely recognize the dangers it can bring in that the free flow of unbiased information can be reduced or eliminated at the whim of those in charge. In fact, I believe this is already the case in the United States as a result of corporate media, political parties, and the super-rich converging towards their collective interests. The internet is the last refuge, but of course they are trying to take that away from us too.
I don't blame people if they found that half time show to be offensive; I personally didn't care, but as an event watched by children I can see it as justified. Even so, while I don't mean to commit the 'slippery slope' fallacy, I can't help but be a little worried when a government agency (which has no representatives voted in by the people, making matters even worse) can wield that kind of power. |
2010-05-06, 21:15 | Link #7108 |
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Rocket Feul contamination in American communities
More info: http://www.livescience.com/health/05...cket_fuel.html |
2010-05-06, 21:21 | Link #7109 | |
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The psychotic part to this is that the same entities don't say a word about some of the most gruesome slaughter imaginable on prime-time television - THAT is okay for kids (oh we put a label on it, eh?). But a half-second of skin that you'd miss if you blinked has knickers wadded up by all the sorts who wear knickers...
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2010-05-06, 22:30 | Link #7111 | |
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But within constraints of the legal system, you have the right to express your views, regardless of how extreme or unconventional it may be. But it's not literally the same as "I can say whatever I want I'm an American". Many Americans have this attitude, but it's not entirely true. You do not have the right to make a statement that goes outside the boundary of law. (such as screaming a false "fire" in a theater, or making statements that threatens to kill another human being)
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2010-05-06, 23:31 | Link #7112 | |
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Lets face it, any *thinking* person could have worked this out... but many school administrators *fail* that little brain check -- and end up being properly labeled as buffoons in the press. Mexican-Americans should be proud of their heritage... but I wonder if the idiot would have collared the boys wearing US flag shirts if they had been Latino.... (probably not).
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2010-05-07, 00:24 | Link #7113 | |
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Wait, wait, wait -- BBC is saying the Lib Dems are losing seats? That exit poll is total bull. What about the whole Cleggmania and the TV debates...? I really don't believe Cameron would have such a wave going for him that even the Lib Dems would lose seats. He is, after all, no Obama, as the Brits themselves like to say of all three major candidates.
But enough of that, Der Spiegel got a very interesting little piece harkening back to the failures of the Copenhagen conference. They claim they got their hands on an audio recording of the pivotal moments which rendered the summit a failure. Quote:
*I know, I know, climate change summit = no smoking, fool. More pertinent to the larger political point is the European-Asian divide, however, and the genuine frustrations of Sarko and Merkel on China's arrogance and India's duplicity. Also very interesting is Der Spiegel's bold claim that Obama practically betrayed his European allies to save face and salvage a worthless protocol out of it. |
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2010-05-07, 01:07 | Link #7114 | |
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I think I'm going to bed now, so no more bar-chart updates till this afternoon . |
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2010-05-07, 02:28 | Link #7115 | |
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2010-05-07, 02:41 | Link #7116 |
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Basically.. your world leaders and power brokers aren't going to "believe it" until their summer villas are under water, on fire, or buried in ice depening on how the climate system chaotically spins to its new "region of stability".
For once I have trouble thinking of an analogy.... this may one day BE the comparative analogy.
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2010-05-07, 06:27 | Link #7117 | |
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It's around 11.30am now in Britain, and it's as good as official — it's the first hung Parliament in Britain since 1974. With only 28 seats left to go, it's statistically impossible for the Conservatives to form a majority government with their current tally of 292 seats (326 seats needed to win). The Lib Dems have indeed emerged surprisingly poorer with the loss of five seats, but Nick Clegg now gets to be kingmaker. So, as expected, it's not a done deal yet — Gordon Brown's Labour might yet stay in power if he manages to cobble together a coalition government. Mr Clegg has claimed several times now that he believes the party with the most seats should form the next government. We'll soon see whether he's a man of his word. |
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2010-05-07, 08:09 | Link #7118 | |
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Market Drop Fueled by a Crisis, Anxiety and an Error
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/07/bu...e&ref=business
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The fall in the euro couldn't come at a better time for me personally, as I'm taking my daughter to Italy for a graduation present next month. I've been watching the euro/dollar exchange rate closely over the past couple of weeks. I think it's probably time to lock in the current low value, but since the EU financial crisis shows no real sign of resolution, I keep watching and waiting.
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2010-05-07, 08:57 | Link #7119 |
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I've been watching the market too. It's a damn shame I've already committed most of my positions, so I don't have much spare cash to profit on this dip. And, oh, congrats to your daughter. She's graduated already? Time flies. Last edited by TinyRedLeaf; 2010-05-07 at 11:53. Reason: They were cancelled, as pointed out below. Aw shucks. |
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