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Prince of Chronics · 2004-08-21, 15:24

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Originally Posted by Secca

I saw it. But I don't really like it because basically it's kinda pushing the plot.

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Yah... I don't think this vid was meant to follow the series, so that's prolly why there were a lot of holes in the story... I really think that this was just a compilation of the in-game movies... the credits in the end had videogame production staff members listed...

About the story... it was indeed pushing it...

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maybe some of the members here that played Gungrave O.D. can shed some light on the general story of the game... that way I can sorta understand this vid...

Mr.Minou · 2004-08-21, 16:22

if I remember correctly, the anime did not follow the 1st game story, at least at the end. in the 1st game

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and the 2nd game (gungrave OD) begins some times after the 1st, that's why the story can seem odd to the anime viewers.

outlaw97 · 2004-08-21, 18:01

It IS a compilation of all the cutscenes from the Gungrave OD PS2 game - it's not meant to be seen like this, hence why it doesn't flow very well or make much sense. Unlike the first game, there's actually a lot of text-driven (and voiced) dialogue inbetween the levels, in addition to these cutscenes. So you find out more about the rest of the characters, and the clips make more sense.

As for continuity, it's a bit sketchy because the first game and TV series went on different paths, and OD is a direct sequel to the game, not the anime - therefore, certain assumptions one might make after watching the TV show are wrong. Specifically:

Spoiler:

<edit by Mod (xris)>At the very least, we would know more about RB and Jyuji other than them being 2 random etheral badasses

But everybody should support the game when it comes out in September! More Gungrave love!

Secca · 2004-08-21, 23:04

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Originally Posted by outlaw97

Spoiler:

Spoiler for OD:

outlaw97 · 2004-08-22, 00:07

Heh, sorry if I said too much xris, it all just came pouring out, though now I can't even remember what you edited ^_^;;

Anyways, in regards to the big guy with the cross:

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Spooky-Electric · 2004-09-08, 05:10

Just finished watching this series and I thought it was amazing, however I felt it really went downhill when Brandon was resseructed as Beyond the Grave. He was even more of a quiet and boring character than he was when he was alive. The realistic Syndicate aspect of the series was better than when it turned into a monster shoot-em-up. I would have liked to see real fights between Brandon and these other characters instead of them turning into spiders and shit. I was also a little weirded out by some of the relationships. Big Daddy and Maria? Yuck. He was her "uncle", her dads friend. He's a nice guy and all but he's like 60 years old. Also, Mika is annoying. I know what happened to her is awful, but all she does is cry and get in Brandon's way.

MorgaineLeFay · 2004-11-23, 01:53

Hey, newbie here. Just registered so I could get some new opinions in this strange little debate I have been having with myself because I am that lame.

Do you think Brandon died a virgin? It would be tragic if true (just ask any female who's seen the guy) but I personally think the evidence points to "yes." He loved Maria enduringly, and we never got any kind of sign he'd consider seeing anyone else. He doesn't seem the kind of guy who'd use a hooker. He spent his teenage years (normally a young male's most vital period) in monklike seclusion, and anyone who works out that intensely just might be compensating for not doing anything else physical.

Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

Tacking · 2005-01-04, 03:09

In the last episode did Brandon and Harry die? And Mika said something about family are she happy she saw Brandon alive?

Wilcon · 2005-01-05, 14:32

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Originally Posted by Tacking

In the last episode did Brandon and Harry die? And Mika said something about family are she happy she saw Brandon alive?

Yes, they died. That's what I think, or more like, that's what I'm almost 100% sure of. Maybe she meant something along the line that Brandon now can meet Maria, just a thought...

cheezisgoooood · 2006-06-07, 13:02

Hey, I'm new here, but that's not important for this topic.

I found Gungrave on Right Stuf International for 50 bucks. The sale ends today.

I'm pretty sure I made a good choice, since it was so cheap, but I'd like to know what other people think of this series. I've heard nothing but good things about it, so I'm pretty confident. Plus this is the original, legitimate set for 50 damn bucks. That's ludicrous. I've been eyeing the series for a while and now it's finally cheap enough for me to get it.

I've heard this show is based on a video game, and those usually suck, but this one is I guess some sort of exception.

What do you guys think?

Btw, if anyone's interested, this is the link to where I bought it: http://www.rightstuf.com/cgi-bin/cat...em/66729/4/0/0

DwArD · 2006-06-08, 22:02

Ok....I just finish watching Gungrave....the story is just too dramatic...I still find it hard to accept the whole story. Maria and Big Daddy!? I just hate it when 2 person in love ended up......doing something like that. *Sigh* Guess the fault lies in Brandon. But I kinda admired Brandon in a way....at least he's willing to go that far just to protect the woman he loved. Even though I was expecting the ending to be like this.....its still quite difficult to swallow it. If I were Brandon, I'll make sure I'll live through just to protect Mika....but then again, its impossible for Brandon to continue without the doctor. Now poor Mika is being left alone in this world....let's hope she won't do something like her mother does. Arrgggg.....old man and a young pretty lady? Man....there's a limit to doing things like this......

physics223 · 2006-06-08, 22:36

That's why Tsukihime is better, dward. It's more believable, despite having a fantasy setting.

ChainLegacy · 2006-06-08, 23:22

I'd take GunGRAVE any day of the week. Easily the best action, character interactions, and overall plot I've ever seen (rivaled only in brilliance by Full Moon wo Sagashite).

Forbin · 2006-06-09, 03:02

We will see Chain, Full Moon releases any day now in English.

both Gungrave and Tsukihime have EXCELLENT dubs.

DwArD · 2006-06-09, 05:48

Gungrave is good, no doubt about it but I just find the setting too dramatic for me, especially the relationship between Brandon and Maria. They both love each other, yet Brandon just turned Maria down, which caused her to look for another support, which so happens to be Big Daddy in this case. I just don't see the reason behind their actions. No wait...I do understand it but I somehow feel that both Brandon and Maria are really stupid. Brandon decided not to go near Maria due to some reasons but I don't see why Maria gave up on him that easily. The way I see it, Maria decided to marry Big Daddy because she wants to 'repay' Brandon for all that he'd done for her. Since Brandon wants her to be happy, she will. But is it really worth it? Maria don't really love Big Daddy right? I just have the feeling that she agreed to marry Big Daddy partly because she wants to repay the Big Daddy's kindness. Sure, she may love him but I think its not really the kind of love she had for Brandon. Brandon is still the man she truly love.

Forbin · 2006-06-09, 11:32

Well yes but then you will have a different anime.

While I didn't like Maria going with Big Daddy, I applaud Brandon for changing the 'typical anime plot' by going this route. Who knows, him and Harry might still be friends and instead of 'Beyond The Grave' you just have 'Superior Brandon'.

Shabazza · 2006-10-28, 05:22

I am currently at episode 13 but they shouldn't have done the first episode like it is now.
The way that girl talked about "Bloody Harry" and the whole audience in episode 1 revealed about everything. I already know who is going to survive the flashback and so on.

I suggest for anyone who wants to watch Gungrave to skip the first episode and go straight for ep2

lommm · 2006-10-28, 15:36

yeah, there are a lot of series that use that format... episode late teen to 20 something followed by episode 2 which is actually episode 1.... berserk and FMA did the same format... it always annoys me...

i actually saw ep01 on tv of gungrave... then saw the rest of it many months later so i only had a vague recollection of episode 1 and it was better

if you're on ep13 then you're watching the good stuff... the last 6-8 episodes kind of go all shitty as the sci-fi is on overload....

kauldron26 · 2006-10-28, 20:19

Gungrave is a friggin masterpiece...

dumbo63 · 2006-10-28, 23:31

I loved the first arc because thats where most of the drama is. It was all plot driven and emotional. It's purpose was to setus up emotionally and make us sympathize for Brandon which made his revenge in the second arc so sweet.

2004-08-21, 16:22	Link #242
Mr.Minou Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: France Age: 39	if I remember correctly, the anime did not follow the 1st game story, at least at the end. in the 1st game Spoiler: beyond the grave does not die and the "last boss" is a nero rised big daddy (somebody who played the game ? I don't remember where I read this one ^^; ) and the 2nd game (gungrave OD) begins some times after the 1st, that's why the story can seem odd to the anime viewers.

2004-08-21, 18:01	Link #243
outlaw97 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004	Explanation to Gungrave OD It IS a compilation of all the cutscenes from the Gungrave OD PS2 game - it's not meant to be seen like this, hence why it doesn't flow very well or make much sense. Unlike the first game, there's actually a lot of text-driven (and voiced) dialogue inbetween the levels, in addition to these cutscenes. So you find out more about the rest of the characters, and the clips make more sense. As for continuity, it's a bit sketchy because the first game and TV series went on different paths, and OD is a direct sequel to the game, not the anime - therefore, certain assumptions one might make after watching the TV show are wrong. Specifically: Spoiler: Sherry being necrorised - it's hard to determine. The first game made no mention of her, so if we're going off the game alone, then she could very well be alive, and just trained herself - she actually wasn't that impressive a fighter in the game ^_^;; The problem is that she speaks of Harry and Bear's deaths in a way that it's referencing the anime. Bunji being necrorised - again, if we go by the game, he tried to blow himself and Grave up with demolition explosives - so this would be his first time being necrorised. If we follow the anime, it would be an obvious inconsistency, although I don't recall if we actually see his body turn to dust in the anime - I think they just showed him there one second, and in the next second only that black cat's there. So with that, maybe necrorising can happen twice? <edit by Mod (xris)>At the very least, we would know more about RB and Jyuji other than them being 2 random etheral badasses But everybody should support the game when it comes out in September! More Gungrave love! Last edited by xris; 2004-08-21 at 18:11. Reason: The comple series is considered licensed, so deleted certain comments

2004-08-22, 00:07	Link #245
outlaw97 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004	Heh, sorry if I said too much xris, it all just came pouring out, though now I can't even remember what you edited ^_^;; Anyways, in regards to the big guy with the cross: Spoiler: His name is Fangorum, and he was actually a result of the prototype necrorise process, Grave being the final version. He was seen briefly in the flashback episodes of the anime (as in, a few seconds floating in a tube), but was never mentioned in the game. As for the cross he carries, Grave's guns are officially known as Cerebus Right Head and Left Head, but according to myth, Cerebus is supposed to have 3 heads. Well, Fangorium has the missing head. Although, if that thing was originally planned for Grave, that's quite a handful, carrying the guns, coffin, AND that cross... And if we were to follow the game, it would make sense for Bunji to be all mummy-like - I mean, if you set off a bunch of explosives, I would think you'd get burned pretty badly. Another homage to the original Gungrave is one of the bosses - I'm not sure of the story behind it, but basically the Coriosone family used this new form of Seed to ressurect and combine Big Daddy's 3 (Bob, Lee, and Bear) into one. Not a pretty sight ^_^;;

2004-11-23, 01:53	Link #247
MorgaineLeFay Scholarly Vigilante Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: A little town called Nowheresville	Hey I was wondering.... Hey, newbie here. Just registered so I could get some new opinions in this strange little debate I have been having with myself because I am that lame. Do you think Brandon died a virgin? It would be tragic if true (just ask any female who's seen the guy) but I personally think the evidence points to "yes." He loved Maria enduringly, and we never got any kind of sign he'd consider seeing anyone else. He doesn't seem the kind of guy who'd use a hooker. He spent his teenage years (normally a young male's most vital period) in monklike seclusion, and anyone who works out that intensely just might be compensating for not doing anything else physical. Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

2006-06-07, 13:02	Link #250
cheezisgoooood Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2006	GunGrave sale Hey, I'm new here, but that's not important for this topic. I found Gungrave on Right Stuf International for 50 bucks. The sale ends today. I'm pretty sure I made a good choice, since it was so cheap, but I'd like to know what other people think of this series. I've heard nothing but good things about it, so I'm pretty confident. Plus this is the original, legitimate set for 50 damn bucks. That's ludicrous. I've been eyeing the series for a while and now it's finally cheap enough for me to get it. I've heard this show is based on a video game, and those usually suck, but this one is I guess some sort of exception. What do you guys think? Btw, if anyone's interested, this is the link to where I bought it: http://www.rightstuf.com/cgi-bin/cat...em/66729/4/0/0

2004-09-08, 05:10	Link #246
Spooky-Electric Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003	Just finished watching this series and I thought it was amazing, however I felt it really went downhill when Brandon was resseructed as Beyond the Grave. He was even more of a quiet and boring character than he was when he was alive. The realistic Syndicate aspect of the series was better than when it turned into a monster shoot-em-up. I would have liked to see real fights between Brandon and these other characters instead of them turning into spiders and shit. I was also a little weirded out by some of the relationships. Big Daddy and Maria? Yuck. He was her "uncle", her dads friend. He's a nice guy and all but he's like 60 years old. Also, Mika is annoying. I know what happened to her is awful, but all she does is cry and get in Brandon's way.

2005-01-04, 03:09	Link #248
Tacking Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2004	In the last episode did Brandon and Harry die? And Mika said something about family are she happy she saw Brandon alive?

2006-06-08, 22:02	Link #251
DwArD mAnIaC Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Somewhere In This World Age: 35	Ok....I just finish watching Gungrave....the story is just too dramatic...I still find it hard to accept the whole story. Maria and Big Daddy!? I just hate it when 2 person in love ended up......doing something like that. Sigh Guess the fault lies in Brandon. But I kinda admired Brandon in a way....at least he's willing to go that far just to protect the woman he loved. Even though I was expecting the ending to be like this.....its still quite difficult to swallow it. If I were Brandon, I'll make sure I'll live through just to protect Mika....but then again, its impossible for Brandon to continue without the doctor. Now poor Mika is being left alone in this world....let's hope she won't do something like her mother does. Arrgggg.....old man and a young pretty lady? Man....there's a limit to doing things like this...... __________________ If man does find the solution for world peace it will be the most revolutionary reversal of his record we have ever known. George C. Marshall (1880 - 1959)

2006-06-08, 22:36	Link #252
physics223 In the Tatami Galaxy ↓ Join Date: Feb 2006	That's why Tsukihime is better, dward. It's more believable, despite having a fantasy setting. __________________ anime\|otaku - hypotheses, analyses, and musings on The Tatami Galaxy \|\| The REAL first handheld console with color!

2006-06-08, 23:22	Link #253
ChainLegacy 廉頗 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Massachusetts Age: 34	I'd take GunGRAVE any day of the week. Easily the best action, character interactions, and overall plot I've ever seen (rivaled only in brilliance by Full Moon wo Sagashite).

2006-06-09, 03:02	Link #254
Forbin I'm a sucker for Harem Join Date: Aug 2004	We will see Chain, Full Moon releases any day now in English. both Gungrave and Tsukihime have EXCELLENT dubs. __________________ My Favorite Anime Quotes Courtesy of Answerman of ANN: 1) By and Large...they are and ***. 2) What kind of girls do Anime Otaku males want? ..................... Female. 3) The odds are good, that the goods are odd.

2006-06-09, 05:48	Link #255
DwArD mAnIaC Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Somewhere In This World Age: 35	Gungrave is good, no doubt about it but I just find the setting too dramatic for me, especially the relationship between Brandon and Maria. They both love each other, yet Brandon just turned Maria down, which caused her to look for another support, which so happens to be Big Daddy in this case. I just don't see the reason behind their actions. No wait...I do understand it but I somehow feel that both Brandon and Maria are really stupid. Brandon decided not to go near Maria due to some reasons but I don't see why Maria gave up on him that easily. The way I see it, Maria decided to marry Big Daddy because she wants to 'repay' Brandon for all that he'd done for her. Since Brandon wants her to be happy, she will. But is it really worth it? Maria don't really love Big Daddy right? I just have the feeling that she agreed to marry Big Daddy partly because she wants to repay the Big Daddy's kindness. Sure, she may love him but I think its not really the kind of love she had for Brandon. Brandon is still the man she truly love. __________________ If man does find the solution for world peace it will be the most revolutionary reversal of his record we have ever known. George C. Marshall (1880 - 1959)

2006-06-09, 11:32	Link #256
Forbin I'm a sucker for Harem Join Date: Aug 2004	Well yes but then you will have a different anime. While I didn't like Maria going with Big Daddy, I applaud Brandon for changing the 'typical anime plot' by going this route. Who knows, him and Harry might still be friends and instead of 'Beyond The Grave' you just have 'Superior Brandon'. __________________ My Favorite Anime Quotes Courtesy of Answerman of ANN: 1) By and Large...they are and ***. 2) What kind of girls do Anime Otaku males want? ..................... Female. 3) The odds are good, that the goods are odd.

2006-10-28, 05:22	Link #257
Shabazza transcendental Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Germany Age: 38	I am currently at episode 13 but they shouldn't have done the first episode like it is now. The way that girl talked about "Bloody Harry" and the whole audience in episode 1 revealed about everything. I already know who is going to survive the flashback and so on. I suggest for anyone who wants to watch Gungrave to skip the first episode and go straight for ep2

2006-10-28, 15:36	Link #258
lommm l'homme de lommm Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: 34 3 118 15	yeah, there are a lot of series that use that format... episode late teen to 20 something followed by episode 2 which is actually episode 1.... berserk and FMA did the same format... it always annoys me... i actually saw ep01 on tv of gungrave... then saw the rest of it many months later so i only had a vague recollection of episode 1 and it was better if you're on ep13 then you're watching the good stuff... the last 6-8 episodes kind of go all shitty as the sci-fi is on overload....

2006-10-28, 20:19	Link #259
kauldron26 Med Student Join Date: Jul 2006 Age: 40	Gungrave is a friggin masterpiece...

2006-10-28, 23:31	Link #260
dumbo63 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004	I loved the first arc because thats where most of the drama is. It was all plot driven and emotional. It's purpose was to setus up emotionally and make us sympathize for Brandon which made his revenge in the second arc so sweet.