2012-12-19, 22:38 | Link #801 | |
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That being said, can we get off the "Civil War 2013 (BYOG)" bandwagon. We're not going to have a civil war over an assault rifle ban and trying to use the fear of such a horrific event in this discussion does nothing but makes anyone using the argument look silly. |
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2012-12-19, 22:51 | Link #803 | |
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I understand the U.S. is a screwed up country that frequently doesn't run on logic, but I don't get your point since this is precisely that kind of overly emotional black and white viewpoint that's filled to the brim with rhetoric that doesn't help towards logical discourse. Can we not go on the "think of the children!" philosophy, because that leads to another road of disaster?
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2012-12-19, 22:59 | Link #805 | |||
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It's been happening here for a very long time. Quote:
Piers Morgan is sounding like a raving idiot for the past few days. You think he's a little crazed? I'm pissed off, and have every right to be. I'm being told that an "assault weapon" ban is going to prevent another CT shooting when in fact Connecticut already has that ban in place for the last 18 years. Of course I'm angry and frustrated about this, what sane person wouldn't be? Put another way. Law abiding gun owners feel like Mr. Wordsworth, and have for decades: Gun owners know how to lessen these school shootings, and it is infuriating that the one thing that will do nothing to stop the next shooting from happening is the very thing the Democrats, and now Obama, are pushing for. Quote:
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2012-12-19, 23:05 | Link #806 |
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I haven't read through this entire thread, but I'm just going to say that I don't believe guns should be allowed in the United States to the average joe. There just seems to be more bad occurrences happening in the contexts of murders, suicide, and people just using guns irresponsibly in general.
And for the people that advocate protection for one's family, well, tell that to the people's who's loved ones got their heads blown off from some loon that had easy access to a gun. Get a dog. Buy a sophisticated security system. Just seems like the bad is outweighing the good here.
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2012-12-19, 23:06 | Link #807 | ||
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I find it interesting that those who want to defend themselves from the military, do NOT support de-funding the military. What is the point of trying to protect your guns when you deliberately let the army have bigger toys? Wouldn't it be more effective to weaken the military as well? I am serious. What is the logic of keeping the military strong, if you don't trust that they wouldn't betray you? Surely a stronger military just makes an organised militia harder to survive? Right now, those who want to blow up the white house would get a hellfire missile to the face from a Predator. You CAN'T rebel against the US military, it can't be done. And it is because the GOP refused to think "small government" included a smaller military. Quote:
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2012-12-19, 23:09 | Link #808 |
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It wasn't all that long ago that Commonwealth countries had guns around more commonly. The ban in Australia for instance I think was 1996, and the UK was around the same time if I recall.
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2012-12-19, 23:17 | Link #809 | |
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2012-12-19, 23:19 | Link #810 | ||
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2012-12-19, 23:23 | Link #813 | |
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We as a party are not pro-war/army. We support the maintenance of a sufficient military to defend the United States against aggression. The United States should both avoid entangling alliances and abandon its attempts to act as policeman for the world. We oppose any form of compulsory national service.
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2012-12-19, 23:27 | Link #814 | |
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And waving your gun in the air and screaming about how angry you are is the most reasonable solution . Your words (and possible actions) only reinforces the stereotypes you are trying to combat.
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If this is an issue of rights and civil liberties, then argue as such and leave useless fearmongering alone. Threatening the extinction of everything does not help your argument. Frankly your current language and disposition is getting worrisome. Please calm down. |
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2012-12-19, 23:27 | Link #815 | |
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You do have to forgive me. I sometimes make several logical deductions before posting the conclusion, but not posting the process that lead me to that conclusion. Here is where I stand; up to now, nothing real was done after each and every school shooting that occur in pretty much every president's term. The fact that nothing was done so far, gave me the impression that the deaths are okay. That they are only worth temporary outrage, but that no one truly think it is worth changing laws over it. You can say Americans care. You can say it as much as you want. But history told us that as soon as the public move on to the next piece of news, all the gun talk get shelved. NOTHING changes. School shootings are about as politically short term as the yearly forest fire in California. We are yet to see if Obama is serious, or is he trying to bargain for something.
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2012-12-19, 23:44 | Link #817 | |||
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The best solution to this problem is what Israeli did after the Ma'alot massacre in 1974. They didn't have another school shooting until 2008, and that shooting was stopped by two men with their private arms that were visiting the school. I've already shown in this thread how an armed individual is the only way to stop an active shooter. Quote:
Pierce is flipping out about this. Though he made some pretty stupid comments on Twitter after this shooting. I don't care if he was being sarcastic. What he said was not acceptable. Quote:
What do you think caused the rise of the militia movement of the 1990s? Why do you think Oaklahoma city happened? I know for a FACT, that the illegal manufacter of "pre-ban" weapons was not only going on after the ban in 1994, but that it got so bad that BATF started allowing the "10 or less" parts rule to allow for the assembly of militia weapons again. They also allowed for "replacement magazine bodies" to be sold for magazines greater than 10 rounds because people were making them. This time around, Dianne and co. aren't talking about a simple ban, they're talking about illegalizing them. That's not the same weapon ban as before. If they attempt to call for these arms to be turned in I've no doubt it will be a blood bath.
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2012-12-20, 00:38 | Link #818 | |
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You seem to have completely missed the point, so let me simplify the matter: Your rhetoric is atrocious, and your entire argument(s) is failing (and flailing) because of it. Monir opined that Fear was the lead cause of gun proliferation, and your immediate response wasn't to logically or factual disprove him (something that honestly can't legitimately be done since fear is a motivating factor, just not the only factor), instead you go full throttle and announce that Anger and Frustration were the keys to Gun proliferation (even the reason you own and wish to own a gun). Do you not realize how insane that sounds? How demeaning it is to your entire stance? You've stopped arguing for your civil liberties and instead have started becoming violent. You are destroying the very argument you wish to make by sounding like a crazed individual with a thirst for violence.
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2012-12-20, 00:56 | Link #819 | |
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Can't tell me that the gun control crowd isn't freaking out for any other reason than fear.
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2012-12-20, 01:25 | Link #820 |
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When one side is playing parlor psychology (gun ownership = fear), the other side is quite likely to be upset about it when they *are* providing factual data. It works both ways.
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