2008-05-14, 02:48 | Link #61 | |
Le fou, c'est moi
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I did my SAT the very opposite way, I enjoyed the passages, reading them for fun (oh, how interesting!), and the test be damned. I am crazy. |
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2008-05-14, 02:49 | Link #62 |
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It's true that if you skim through the questions then passages, you don't need to retain all info. However, the 90% is what I think isn't true.
I got through my SATs with slow reading. I wasn't in any time trouble either, but I always finished 30 seconds to 1 minute before he time limit. I tend to relax during the SATs and similar tests so I don't use my full brain power on one single section.
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My raw score for that test was quite high, but how much of it did I retain? Did I get the important bits, or did I miss something vital? (It didn't hurt that I'm very familiar with two or three of those concepts already, and somewhat familiar with another two.) As for how I speed-read -- I discard tons of words upon the initial scan, only going back if it doesn't make sense. Quote:
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2008-05-15, 14:52 | Link #65 |
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I got 470 words a minute there, I actually tried to read fast though which I don't usually do. I'm stuck with the entrance exam way of learning where I spent a whole lot of time on a small amount of material.
Also I could read finnish quite a bit faster :P
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2008-05-16, 04:44 | Link #66 |
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Well, English is not my first language, I can read my native language much faster.
Typical Reading.... You read 532 words in 0.16 minutes. Your reading speed is 3325 words per minute! When Carefully.... You read 532 words in 0.29 minutes. Your reading speed is 1834 words per minute! I don't know whether this is fast enough or not. I see my reading speed got halved when I am meticulously reading things. Interesting. Edit : Now I see others' scores.... Ah, what the hell? Why my score is off the chart? And I just cannot read slow enough to reach sub-1000wpm like others. I read as carefully as I can (almost memorized the whole contents) and I got... You read 532 words in 0.46 minutes. Your reading speed is 1157 words per minute! I just can't go below 1000 wpm.........
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2008-05-16, 12:46 | Link #67 |
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Like we keep saying, the test is bogus since it doesn't test the reader on comprehension or retention. Its as serious as those stupid tabloid quizzes for Your Perfect Mate.
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2008-05-16, 21:49 | Link #70 | |
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SAT and ACT were both annoying, but just wait until you take the GRE. Now THAT is retarded (mainly the general GRE, not the subject ones) since a good portion of it is useless for certain areas of graduate study.
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2008-05-16, 22:24 | Link #71 |
WHO DO YOU THINK WE ARE?!
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at first it was okay but at as the thread went on the reading spead became like:
page 1 = 400 WPM average page 2 = 400-600 WPM average page 3-4 = 1500-3000WPM? wtf? you kidding me? oh well, what can we do. does anyone know any legit(if not, quite accurate) tests that really tickle your mind? |
2008-05-17, 02:41 | Link #72 | |
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Regarding a legit test, it would have to have its own standard of what the normal reading speed is, since the difficulty of the subject and your understanding of it do affect the speed.
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2008-05-17, 02:53 | Link #73 |
WHO DO YOU THINK WE ARE?!
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note that in indicating page 1 and 2 i said "average"
on page 3-4 i never wrote anything like that so im not exaggerating or anything, geez. anyways, i've tried e-mode and it seems kinda ok, but i dont know if its accurate though. |
2008-05-17, 05:13 | Link #74 | |
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Maybe there are users out there bragging about their reading speed, but my intention is to discuss if there is any feasible way to increase reading speed and retain comprehension at the same time. Like Vexx, I agree that test link that I randomly placed there is just crap. |
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2008-05-17, 10:05 | Link #75 |
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This thread needs to be close, it serves no purpose other then pointless spam.
To all those who posted their score, If to the best of your reading ability of a wikipedia article on reading is to come back to this thread dedicated to the subject, brag about your score and concoct some biased opinion on what makes a good reader by glorifying yourself, please stop reading anything ever again! Your tiny mind might crumble if at some point you accidentally understand the point of the entire process... Simple facts: You read with your eyes and brain, not your mouth. Your eyes have a limit, you will never read faster then that limit. You learn to read some things faster with practice because just as the article says you build understanding on the subject, thus you skip things and still understand the semantics. (reading random stuff wont help you at all)
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2008-05-17, 11:18 | Link #77 |
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Reading anime slang and other topics irrelevant to a wikipedia article, as some people have glorified themselves with, helps you not. The point is you wont read fresh content at light speed even if some words are familiar to you. If that article is not fresh enough to you, well that means the result is complete bias.
Also, please try to understand, recognition of words is not the point! You are as dumb as a rock if you read words and not sentences / paragraphs; might as well start reading spaces if you want to pass through words fast.
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2008-05-17, 12:01 | Link #79 | |
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Now that I think about Anh Minh's comment, it actually makes sense. When I consciously think about it, I realize I am reading by recognizing words rather than letters. Words which tie together to form sentences, then paragraphs, and so on. When I read, say, "Irenicus." I'm not reading I-r-e-n-i-c-u-s. Technically I'm reading I-re-ni-cus, but that is not entirely correct, since I process it as simply "Irenicus" -- a unified whole. On the other hand, I can't read "Irenicus is handsome!" () and just process it as "Irenicusishandsome!" I need to process it as "Irenicus," then "is," then "handsome!" Maybe the exclamation is even a separate piece in itself. I suspect speed readers (as in those who use speed reading techniques) skip the "is" in the process and goes straight from "Irenicus" to "handsome". Put it this way, the English language has this structure: Letter --> Word --> Sentence. What he's saying is that we naturally skip the very first step and goes directly to the "Word." Recognition of the Letter is not necessary to understand the Word, but recognizing the word is necessary to process more complex levels of language like sentence and so on. And this is where experience comes into play, since similar material can conceivably share similar patterns that experience will allow one to process the information faster. Legalese, for example, is incomprehensible to the normal person without slow, scrutinized reading and frequent clarifications; while trained lawyers and judges just cruise through them as they're both familiar with the syntax and the word. I don't think there's any tricks to that though. Just reading. On the other hand, speed reading is all about techniques and grasping at the concept of written language at another angle (key words vs. supporting syntax, looking at clarifying phrases, etc.). I for one don't know how to speed read. I wish I could, it is quite a useful skill for anyone involved in academia. |
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2008-05-17, 12:12 | Link #80 |
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What Irenicus said. Unfamiliar words have to be painstakingly deciphered letter by letter, or at least syllable by syllable. Common words, common turn of phrases, on the other hand, are processed almost as soon as you lay eyes on them. That doesn't mean you can't understand unfamiliar words, but it does mean you'll take longer to read them than to read familiar words of equal length.
And I've never heard of anyone who reads whole paragraphs, or even long sentences, without reading the words they're made of. |
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