2010-06-23, 15:27 | Link #11502 |
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Hi guys, first time posting here and I've been mulling over an idea while replaying ep 1 and was wondering if anyone has already brought this up or there's some vital piece of evidence that blows this out of the water. Most people point to the possibility of Battler being Kyrie's son due to the mysterious circumstances of his birth plus Rudolph saying he has something to reveal. Additionally it has been proposed that Jessica is actually Battler 2. What if the reason why Rudolph almost always dies very soon is a result of trying to reveal both that Battler is Kyrie's son AND Jessica is really his daughter? In doing so, he'd jeopardize Krauss' position as the head of the family as he no longer has an heir. Thoughts?
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2010-06-23, 15:34 | Link #11503 | |
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2010-06-23, 15:37 | Link #11504 |
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Ah, I should have clarified. I meant that Jessica is the daughter of Rudolph and Asumu. Therefore leading to Jessica being the adopted child. The problem I see with this is that the baby is pretty clearly identified as a boy, but perhaps its a cruel joke by Rudolph and as Natsuhi seems to have no interest in the baby anyway.
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2010-06-23, 15:40 | Link #11505 |
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Renall, while that may be true, if Jessica was revealed to be the child of Rudolf, things would not go over well.
Jessica IS the heiress, and the subject would be touchy to say the least. And after all.... Ushiromiya Battler was born from Ushiromiya Asumu! Ushiromiya Battler is not Ushiromiya Asumu's SON Battler is not Asumu's SON The way things are set, there is a HIGH possibility that if the second Battler exists, it is a girl. Out of all the pieces on the island, this means that The second Battler is either Shannon or Jessica It's my personal belief that it is Jessica, however. |
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2010-06-23, 15:59 | Link #11507 | |
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2010-06-23, 16:07 | Link #11508 |
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I believe the term would be, reverse trap.
But nah, if we've got two Battlers, one of them is most likely female. And the reason I choose Jessica over Shannon, is because There's nothing quite like being told you're adopted after finding out that your boyfriend and your best friend are one in the same, and would really enjoy it if you died. It's a bit of an insult to injury, and it seems like something our lovely Bernkastel would do. |
2010-06-23, 16:17 | Link #11509 |
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Well, the reason why I say that it jeopardizes Krauss' position is because I've always assumed that the real goal of the headship is to maintain the position of head of the household within Krauss' family. I mean, even if Krauss becomes head, what is the point if he can't keep it within his family in the long run? I know this ignores the whole need for money therefore need for headship thing, but my point is that I think denying the Krauss household/faction a heir is sufficient reason for them to turn to murder
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2010-06-23, 16:24 | Link #11510 | |
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Mind you, Krauss household may have other interesting reasons for murder, as trying to protect themselves from dishonour they have clearly committed things which are beyond civil offences.
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2010-06-23, 16:30 | Link #11511 |
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Also bear in mind that headship passed from Eva to Ange in 1998. Part of that was Eva's direct desire that it be so, but it seemed like nobody really objected to the aunt-niece transfer. When you think about it, Ange was almost certainly conceived out of marriage, so she's not exactly the purest descendant to begin with herself.
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2010-06-23, 16:34 | Link #11512 |
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Mmm, you raise a good point. The reason I really go after the whole denying Krauss an heir thing is for two reasons that are semi-related: A) There is the possibility that if Jessica finds out her real parent is Rudolph, she could abandon the Krauss household. This could lead to all sorts of wonky hypothetical problems about if she would really do it and whether or not she would return to the Rudolph household. But given Jessica's open attitude to her parents, Krauss and Natsuhi have to consider it a very real possibility. B) This provides a more specific reason to murder Rudolph very early on. I understand that they would be trying to protect their honor but its always bothered me that specifically Rudolph dies very early in the majority of the games. This thought process goes a little way in explaining that
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2010-06-23, 16:35 | Link #11513 |
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Regardless of whether or not Krauss and Natsuhi are involved in murder(I personally doubt it because they seem like nice blokes), Rudolf would indeed be in even more of a sticky situation than we first thought if he revealed that Jessica was his daughter in addition to Kyrie being Battler's mother.
Seriously, I can just imagine everyone lynching the poor bastard. |
2010-06-23, 16:55 | Link #11514 |
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If this line of thought is true, I propose that in every game Rudolph must be killed early on out of fear of revealing the truth of her birth to Jessica. The only way this rule can be violated is if Jessica dies early on and therefore there is no point to revealing her birth origins .
P.S. I've seen this term thrown around quite a bit and have no clue what it is, so would any kind soul be willing to explain what the pony theory is? |
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If we interpret it as you suggest, there is possibly a reason for Rudolf to threaten Krauss with revealing it, (money) but no reason to actually reveal, as it doesn't bring him money, isn't likely to make him much happier, and isn't going to go very well with Kyrie either. It's really not in his interest to anger Kyrie. Paying Rudolf off is still a cheaper option for Krauss in the long term than killing him, unless a very clear culprit that it can be pinned on exists. I agree that Rudolf's secret is very likely connected to him dying early, but it is more likely to be about something much more complicated than Krauss' internal family issues.
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2010-06-23, 17:15 | Link #11517 |
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I thought the pony theory was to do with Battler's promise to get Maria a pony when he came back? As his sin 6 years ago?
I wouldn't actually be too surprised if his parents are Kyrie/ Krauss, somehow. Episode 4 seems to imply they have a connection and can get on well (assuming we can use fantasy scenes as ways to find out about characters). As for Kanon/ fertilizer... heh, I'd be pretty surprised if I had spent a while digging up a corpse trying to remain secret only to have a guest offer to help you out with it. Although I'd suggest he was actually digging up the corpse in order to burn it later (presumably Krauss and Natsuhi buried him secretly in the woods) rather than going out to bury it. I think he was returning to the mansion in that scene. Or if Shannon and Kanon can indeed disguise themselves as each other, it could be the dead one out of the two in the sacks. I'd have trouble lifting someone of my own size and weight, afterall. |
2010-06-23, 17:18 | Link #11518 |
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Thanks for the explanation Sentou.
Another reason why I'm interested in this theory is cause it can lead to a neat theory on ep 3, which is that, at least in that scenario, house Krauss is allied initially with house Eva contrary to what each game would have us believe with Eva being the most active attacker against Kraus |
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This theory has been largely debunked long ago, though recently, it was brought up again around here as it still makes bloody good narrative sense even if it doesn't fit the available evidence.
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