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wavehawk · 2013-10-23, 07:49

There are three arcs to Muv-Luv: Extra, Unlimited, and Alternative. Alternative doesn't make much sense without Unlimited, and Unlimited needs Extra to start off. Extra on it's own doesn't stand out because it's just another high school renai game (Which is the whole point). It has to be AT LEAST the Extra and Unlimited story arcs animated, and that's a lot to cover in a 2-cour series. Stuff is going to get left out, and that's assuming you have a halfway decent director who knows what he's doing.

NoemiChan · 2013-10-23, 08:36

I think a good director can bring out the best in Extra. It's not Extra is all crapped high school story. IMHO, fans will be willing to watch it since it's the gateway to the two succeeding arcs.

Fireminer · 2013-10-23, 08:44

The problem is: Who?

Not to mention that Extra might get to be compared to the famous Kimi ga Nozomu Eien.

maximilianjenus · 2013-10-23, 16:02

yeah, "who" is a big problem, since oging by the sales numbers i found it makes them 1 thousand people, not enough to sustain it.

NoemiChan · 2013-10-23, 16:42

..So all we have are incompetent directors... I'll not argue with that....

Wild Goose · 2013-11-05, 20:50

Saying there are incompetent directors is oversimplifying things.

To get to Alternative, you have to do Unlimited. To get to Unlimited, you have to do Extra. Just adapting Extra is a can of worms since you need to choose whether you want to do Meiya or Sumika route, how will you handle the rest of the harem, etc etc. The problem Extra has is that while it's (mostly) well-executed, it's still generic high school romcom harem, which is something that's oversaturated at this point.

Then you do Unlimited, which is kinda sorta okay, except that plot wise not a lot really happens in Unlimited, in terms of action and shit getting real. But you need to play through Unlimited, you can't just skip it over.

Then finally you get to Alternative.... which still rehashes Unlimited from the start, until the coup happens and shit gets real and chomp. It's a significant investment of a very large and complicated story.

Looking at that, it's no wonder Total Eclipse was animated. The only other story that might have a chance of being animated would be Schwarzesmarken.

Fireminer · 2013-11-05, 21:05

And Euro Front? Or could they OVA-ed Ressurection?

NoemiChan · 2013-11-06, 02:12

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Originally Posted by Wild Goose

Saying there are incompetent directors is oversimplifying things.

To get to Alternative, you have to do Unlimited. To get to Unlimited, you have to do Extra. Just adapting Extra is a can of worms since you need to choose whether you want to do Meiya or Sumika route, how will you handle the rest of the harem, etc etc. The problem Extra has is that while it's (mostly) well-executed, it's still generic high school romcom harem, which is something that's oversaturated at this point.

Then you do Unlimited, which is kinda sorta okay, except that plot wise not a lot really happens in Unlimited, in terms of action and shit getting real. But you need to play through Unlimited, you can't just skip it over.

Then finally you get to Alternative.... which still rehashes Unlimited from the start, until the coup happens and shit gets real and chomp. It's a significant investment of a very large and complicated story.

Looking at that, it's no wonder Total Eclipse was animated. The only other story that might have a chance of being animated would be Schwarzesmarken.

What solution? .Flash backs. They can just jump directly to Muv-Luv Alternative while using flashbacks to explain certain actions that need explanation, besides Muv-luv Alternative has a LOT of FLASH BACKS on it.

They could use MLATE as an intro to MLA since both are on the same TIMELINE.

Wild Goose · 2013-11-06, 02:58

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Originally Posted by NoemiChan

What solution? .Flash backs. They can just jump directly to Muv-Luv Alternative while using flashbacks to explain certain actions that need explanation, besides Muv-luv Alternative has a LOT of FLASH BACKS on it.

They could use MLATE as an intro to MLA since both are on the same TIMELINE.

Congratulations, you've just demonstrated you have no idea of what you're talking about. And that's not getting into the fact that you can't use Total Eclipse to setup Alternative because of the different thematic questions posed by the games.

Extra asks "Who do I love?"
Unlimited asks "How do I survive in this different world?"
Alternative asks "How do I overcome all the hardship I face?"

Total Eclipse's question is more personal: "Who am I?"

Alternative only works if you have experienced Unlimited. Unlimited only works if you have experienced Extra. Flashbacks cannot compensate for that lost experience.

NoemiChan · 2013-11-06, 03:18

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Originally Posted by Wild Goose

Congratulations, you've just demonstrated you have no idea of what you're talking about. And that's not getting into the fact that you can't use Total Eclipse to setup Alternative because of the different thematic questions posed by the games.

Extra asks "Who do I love?"
Unlimited asks "How do I survive in this different world?"
Alternative asks "How do I overcome all the hardship I face?"

Total Eclipse's question is more personal: "Who am I?"

Alternative only works if you have experienced Unlimited. Unlimited only works if you have experienced Extra. Flashbacks cannot compensate for that lost experience.

Ok, I might be wrong about using Total Eclipse, but don't shoved on my face as if I never played the original TRILOGY.

I played Alternative and after playing it... IMHO I think it can be a stand alone series cause a lot of FLASHBACKS have been shown with reference to the two prequels.

Wild Goose · 2013-11-06, 07:34

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Ok, I might be wrong about using Total Eclipse, but don't shoved on my face as if I never played the original TRILOGY.

The expression you're looking for is "Don't shove it in my face", and you're also not using it correctly. That expression is used whenever someone, for example Subject BPH, obnoxiously and vociferously proclaims that his Opinion Is Correct And True And All Should Follow It, and keeps shoving that opinion towards Subject W.

(I'm studying for a professional English teaching certification.)

In this instance, you are holding an opinion, and I am telling you that your opinion is a very simplistic opinion that does not take into account serious issues, practical and thematic, with adapting this body of work.

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I played Alternative and after playing it... IMHO I think it can be a stand alone series cause a lot of FLASHBACKS have been shown with reference to the two prequels.

Again, this is merely your own opinion, and the only support you have for your opinion is that you think it's a good idea. You are willfully disregarding the practical and thematic issues with adapting this body of work.

It is your opinion, and you have the right to it, just as I have the right to tell you that your argument is weak and you have not considered the bigger picture.

NoemiChan · 2013-11-06, 07:54

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Originally Posted by Wild Goose

The expression you're looking for is "Don't shove it in my face", and you're also not using it correctly. That expression is used whenever someone, for example Subject BPH, obnoxiously and vociferously proclaims that his Opinion Is Correct And True And All Should Follow It, and keeps shoving that opinion towards Subject W.

(I'm studying for a professional English teaching certification.)

Sorry, not American... Teacher. Sheesh, westerns...

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In this instance, you are holding an opinion, and I am telling you that your opinion is a very simplistic opinion that does not take into account serious issues, practical and thematic, with adapting this body of work.

But have at least as a professional that you are, void using statements that may sound INSULTING.

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Again, this is merely your own opinion, and the only support you have for your opinion is that you think it's a good idea. You are willfully disregarding the practical and thematic issues with adapting this body of work.

Geeks..... Sheesh.

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It is your opinion, and you have the right to it, just as I have the right to tell you that your argument is weak and you have not considered the bigger picture.

Yeah, but you don't have the right to talk big and sound insulting to the weak minded people by attacking their faulty grammar if you're humble enough as should be as professional as you say you are...

Anyway.. thanks for the smart comment, teacher.

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PS, MODS. Please delete this post if necessary. My humble apologies for the ruckus.

Fireminer · 2013-11-06, 07:58

Tch... Let's not make a ruckus out of this, all right?

And seriously, are we all agreeing on the fact that the Trilogy won't get animated?

Wild Goose · 2013-11-06, 08:54

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Originally Posted by NoemiChan

Sorry, not American... Teacher. Sheesh, westerns...

The correct word is "Westerner". "Westerns" refers to a genre of movies set in the American west, colloquially known as cowboy films in some parts of the world.

Also, I'm a Malaysian national, of mixed Asian descent. My ancestors hail from India and China.

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But have at least as a professional that you are, void using statements that may sound INSULTING.

Studying towards a professional certification. Also, I fail to see how that post was insulting, given that I have not attacked your person, and have pointed out that you do not know what you are talking about.

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Geeks..... Sheesh.

And now you're the person being insulting.

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Yeah, but you don't have the right to talk big and sound insulting to the weak minded people by attacking their faulty grammar if you're humble enough as should be as professional as you say you are...

I'm paraphrasing the Egg Shell Rule here, but essentially, you're stuck with your debating opponent and have to take them as they are. It is not my fault that I have a superior command of English than you. Humility has nothing to do with the fact that this is how I speak in real life.

I am sorry if the way I write intimidates you, but this is how I am, and I make no apologies for having this command of English, honed by studying law and my current job,

Also, you're putting words in my mouth and misrepresenting my position. This impromptu amateur (in the sense I'm not being paid for this -.-) English lesson is unrelated to my point, which is that you have not given significant thought to the scope of animating the Muv-Luv trilogy, and are simply brushing off legitimate concerns and issues involved in animating this body of work.

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And seriously, are we all agreeing on the fact that the Trilogy won't get animated?

We are, wonder of wonders. Well, even all of us can find something to agree on.

maximilianjenus · 2013-11-06, 11:15

even flashbacks need to be animated, so they would still be animating extra and unlimited.

NoemiChan · 2013-11-06, 16:42

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Originally Posted by maximilianjenus

even flashbacks need to be animated, so they would still be animating extra and unlimited.

True but not necessarily all. Many of the importance facts and events from MLE and MLU have been re-shown but MLA.

Spoiler for Trilogy Connections Very HEAVY SPOILER!!!!:

G147 · 2013-11-06, 21:29

Just one thing, how do they explain to those that haven't or doesn't played the game that Extra is originally Takeru's world, it'll just make them confused as well as the ending the Final Extra. So in the end they still need to start from Extra-> Unlimited -> Alternative -> Final Extra (Ending). The first two parts can't be removed.

NoemiChan · 2013-11-06, 23:05

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Originally Posted by G147

Just one thing, how do they explain to those that haven't or doesn't played the game that Extra is originally Takeru's world, it'll just make them confused as well as the ending the Final Extra. So in the end they still need to start from Extra-> Unlimited -> Alternative -> Final Extra (Ending). The first two parts can't be removed.

Ok, so I can assume that they didn't play the next two sequels right? So we speak of a viewer that is an anime only viewer and never played the Trilogy or are you pertaining to a player who only played MLA without passing MLE and MLU?

Things I remembered in MLA

Spoiler for MLA Game Content:

G147 · 2013-11-06, 23:39

Then how would they explain about the Coup d'etat part, it didn't take place in Unlimited. Also how will they explain the flashbacks of Takeru and the other girls in Extra. The point here is there'll be too many plot holes if they just skipped out both Extra and Unlimited, there's also the event of The Day After to consider too.

Also Extra is meant to "show Takeru's original world and lifestyle". Unlimited is meant to show "Takeru's thought and reaction when first arriving at the Betaverse". While Alternative is to show "Takeru's goal in the Betaverse to save humanity and desire to return to his original world regain his original life". You skip Extra and Unlimited, the plot will have a huge hole that is hard to cover.

NoemiChan · 2013-11-07, 00:04

Spoiler for MLA Content:

2013-10-23, 07:49	Link #161
wavehawk Some say I'm the Reverse Join Date: Jul 2006	There are three arcs to Muv-Luv: Extra, Unlimited, and Alternative. Alternative doesn't make much sense without Unlimited, and Unlimited needs Extra to start off. Extra on it's own doesn't stand out because it's just another high school renai game (Which is the whole point). It has to be AT LEAST the Extra and Unlimited story arcs animated, and that's a lot to cover in a 2-cour series. Stuff is going to get left out, and that's assuming you have a halfway decent director who knows what he's doing. __________________ "We haven't been properly introduced..."

2013-11-05, 20:50	Link #166
Wild Goose Truth Martyr Author Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Doing Anzu's paperwork. Age: 38	Saying there are incompetent directors is oversimplifying things. To get to Alternative, you have to do Unlimited. To get to Unlimited, you have to do Extra. Just adapting Extra is a can of worms since you need to choose whether you want to do Meiya or Sumika route, how will you handle the rest of the harem, etc etc. The problem Extra has is that while it's (mostly) well-executed, it's still generic high school romcom harem, which is something that's oversaturated at this point. Then you do Unlimited, which is kinda sorta okay, except that plot wise not a lot really happens in Unlimited, in terms of action and shit getting real. But you need to play through Unlimited, you can't just skip it over. Then finally you get to Alternative.... which still rehashes Unlimited from the start, until the coup happens and shit gets real and chomp. It's a significant investment of a very large and complicated story. Looking at that, it's no wonder Total Eclipse was animated. The only other story that might have a chance of being animated would be Schwarzesmarken. __________________ One must forgive one's enemies, but not before they are hanged.Heinrich Heine. *I believe in miracles.* Order of Freelance Mages (Goose's Nanoha OC Project)

2013-10-23, 08:36	Link #162
NoemiChan Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Philippines Age: 36	I think a good director can bring out the best in Extra. It's not Extra is all crapped high school story. IMHO, fans will be willing to watch it since it's the gateway to the two succeeding arcs.

2013-10-23, 08:44	Link #163
Fireminer Lumine Passio Author Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Hanoi, Vietnam Age: 18	The problem is: Who? Not to mention that Extra might get to be compared to the famous Kimi ga Nozomu Eien.

2013-10-23, 16:02	Link #164
maximilianjenus [E] Join Date: Mar 2008	yeah, "who" is a big problem, since oging by the sales numbers i found it makes them 1 thousand people, not enough to sustain it.

2013-10-23, 16:42	Link #165
NoemiChan Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Philippines Age: 36	..So all we have are incompetent directors... I'll not argue with that....

2013-11-05, 21:05	Link #167
Fireminer Lumine Passio Author Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Hanoi, Vietnam Age: 18	And Euro Front? Or could they OVA-ed Ressurection?

2013-11-06, 07:58	Link #173
Fireminer Lumine Passio Author Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Hanoi, Vietnam Age: 18	Tch... Let's not make a ruckus out of this, all right? And seriously, are we all agreeing on the fact that the Trilogy won't get animated?

2013-11-06, 11:15	Link #175
maximilianjenus [E] Join Date: Mar 2008	even flashbacks need to be animated, so they would still be animating extra and unlimited.

2013-11-06, 21:29	Link #177
G147 Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: earth	Just one thing, how do they explain to those that haven't or doesn't played the game that Extra is originally Takeru's world, it'll just make them confused as well as the ending the Final Extra. So in the end they still need to start from Extra-> Unlimited -> Alternative -> Final Extra (Ending). The first two parts can't be removed.

2013-11-06, 23:39	Link #179
G147 Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: earth	Then how would they explain about the Coup d'etat part, it didn't take place in Unlimited. Also how will they explain the flashbacks of Takeru and the other girls in Extra. The point here is there'll be too many plot holes if they just skipped out both Extra and Unlimited, there's also the event of The Day After to consider too. Also Extra is meant to "show Takeru's original world and lifestyle". Unlimited is meant to show "Takeru's thought and reaction when first arriving at the Betaverse". While Alternative is to show "Takeru's goal in the Betaverse to save humanity and desire to return to his original world regain his original life". You skip Extra and Unlimited, the plot will have a huge hole that is hard to cover.