Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai NEXT - Episode 9 Discussion / Poll

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Azuma Denton

Well, the problem here, Yozora didn't give it all to make Kodaka hers. Instead, she just scheming and hoping others candidate just shames theirself.

In the term of hard work, a certain ponytail girl in sakura inn is above her.

You're only looking at it in terms of romance- What about studies? If we use the galgame as a reference, Yozora would put a lot of time into studying to improve her grades.

Sena as we confirmed today, just do the bare minimum and still aced everything.

[mangamuscle]

Originally Posted by SilverSyko

Disregarding the ill blood by Yozora towards Sena

There, clarified it for you, since I cannot recall of any incident where Sena ever tries to hurt Yozora.

I have already clarified what I meant by my statement about Yozora's bullying, you fail to acknowledge any of it in the rest of your post.

And yeah, I hate bullies, no matter how people might try to excuse said behavior.

[Rising Dragon]

I'm not sure shutting down Sena's game before she could save would be considered bullying, unless it happened frequently (it's still a dick move), but Sena DOES get mistreated by Yozora frequently, and Kodaka usually does little to nothing to stop it.

Originally Posted by frivolity

So Sena used to wear two butterfly clips. Wonder where the other one went.

She still has it. She wore it in episode 6 this season, when she dressed up as a maid.

[SilverSyko]

Originally Posted by ogon_bat

There, clarified it for you, since I cannot recall of any incident where Sena ever tries to hurt Yozora.

No my original statement was correct. "Ill blood" is a two-way street. While you're right that Yozora tends to be the more proactive of the two, neither of them are particularly fond of the other. Sena has laughed in satisfactory amusement at Yozora's misfortune on several occasions so no she's not innocent.

I have already clarified what I meant by my statement about Yozora's bullying, you fail to acknowledge any of it in the rest of your post.

That's because it had nothing to do with Yozora shutting off Sena's game. This is this and that is that. That's the whole point I was trying to make.

And yeah, I hate bullies, no matter how people might try to excuse said behavior.

Have you even tried to understand Yozora's character? Doesn't seem like it when you just instantly deem her as a bully and leave it at that.

[Entravity]

Enjoyable episode as usual with PEGASUS FLYING THROUGH THE AIR WITH HIS CLOUD WINGS.

[Chaos2Frozen]

SilverSyko forget it; we do this dance almost every week and it always ends up overshadowing all other discussions about the episode more matter how minor it actually is.

[Azuma Denton]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

You're only looking at it in terms of romance- What about studies? If we use the galgame as a reference, Yozora would put a lot of time into studying to improve her grades.

Sena as we confirmed today, just do the bare minimum and still aced everything.

Well, it's true that Sena is born genius. But then again, as quoting from a certain sakura-inn anime, the world is unfair. Sena maybe genius in studying, in sports, and in looks, but does she as cunning as Yozora? Nope.

But then, as usual, a helping hand from the God of their world re-balance everything towards Sena again. Remember how in s1, Sena is always getting bullied by Yozora. Now in s2, Yozora is getting the karma.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Azuma Denton

Well, it's true that Sena is born genius. But then again, as quoting from a certain sakura-inn anime, the world is unfair. Sena maybe genius in studying, in sports, and in looks, but does she as cunning as Yozora? Nope.

But then, as usual, a helping hand from the God of their world re-balance everything towards Sena again. Remember how in s1, Sena is always getting bullied by Yozora. Now in s2, Yozora is getting the karma.

How is it re-balanced? Sena is still rich, beautiful and has good grades without putting in effort.

[mangamuscle]

Originally Posted by SilverSyko

Sena has laughed in satisfactory amusement at Yozora's misfortune on several occasions so no she's not innocent.

Irrelevant, the ill will here is a one- way street, the day Yozora stops bullying Sena she would forgive her without holding grudges about the past.

That's because it had nothing to do with Yozora shutting off Sena's game. This is this and that is that. That's the whole point I was trying to make.

No matter how much you paraphrase, it wont change the fact that Yozora bullies Sena (and the ps3 turn off was just another incident in a large list).

Have you even tried to understand Yozora's character? Doesn't seem like it when you just instantly deem her as a bully and leave it at that.

You are trying to imply that bullying is some kind of mindless random action when it is not, bullies have reasons to do what they do, that does not make it right or acceptable. Please save yourself the time and energy in attempting to justify such behavior, it is unbecoming of an adult.

[Miraluka]

Good grades aren't obtained without effort, remember even for a game how Sena played that Rpg game the first episodes on the first season several hours in order to be above average player.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Wilfriback

Good grades aren't obtained without effort, remember how Sena played that Rpg game the first episodes on the first season several hours in order to be above average player.

Yeah, she grind and farm gear abd level, that's not being above the average player, that's just having better loot.

Sena herself said all she did was to do the normal stuff in class. Sure that can be called effort as well, but it's minimum effort and that's the point. With just that little bit, she can go a long way.

[frivolity]

I'm not sure how far the parallel between Shiina and Sena should be taken. Shiina's artistic talent is something that's extremely rare, to the level of genius/prodigy. Sena's academic aptitude is fairly common - practically every school will have one of these people. School-based anime tend to have them too, eg Hinagiku, Kanou Sumire.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by frivolity

I'm not sure how far the parallel between Shiina and Sena should be taken. Shiina's artistic talent is something that's extremely rare, to the level of genius/prodigy. Sena's academic aptitude is fairly common - practically every school will have one of these people. School-based anime tend to have them too, eg Hinagiku, Kanou Sumire.

I don't mean to directly compare the two- just saying that it's the same situation where they have a relatively easy life.

For Sena remember it's not just her studies, but her environment as well. Remember that Hina had a tough childhood while Sena doesn't... At least not that we're told.

[takai]

And Sena finally wins

What a productive episode . I'm still however, pulling for Kate just a bit more than Sena. But good for her she finally pulls way ahead of Yozora.

I can tell now this is going to be a contributing factor for the rest of the season. It'll be interesting how things play out.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by takai

And Sena finally wins

What a productive episode . I'm still however, pulling for Kate just a bit more than Sena. But good for her she finally pulls way ahead of Yozora.

I can tell now this is going to be a contributing factor for the rest of the season. It'll be interesting how things play out.

Hint: Dense protagonist is dense

(In before LN readers correct me)

[II Maestro]

Originally Posted by ogon_bat

As Maria would say:

Spoiler for HAHAHAHAHAHA:

A reaction you wouldn't expect from Yozora, nice one Maria.

[Azuma Denton]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

How is it re-balanced? Sena is still rich, beautiful and has good grades without putting in effort.

I mean, that the favor is shifting towards Sena now. I see that in 2nd half of NEXT, Yozora is getting bullied now. So yeah, Sena is still rich, genius, has great "asset", and win against Yozora.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Azuma Denton

I mean, that the favor is shifting towards Sena now. I see that in 2nd half of NEXT, Yozora is getting bullied now. So yeah, Sena is still rich, genius, has great "asset", and win against Yozora.

Yes essentially Sena is getting everything in life again.

Next stop- raping Kobato!

[thundrakkon]

Originally Posted by Azuma Denton

Yozora is getting PAWNED now.

Corrected for accuracy. Nobody has tried to even bully Yozora yet. They have just started to fight back against her ill-intent schemes, by just being straight forward with her. If anything, it really showed that Sena is very concerned about Yozora and actually has no ill intent towards her at all. The only thing she ever does is bicker with Yozora, which friends do.

And, IMO, ogon_bat is correct in his assessment. If you take the incident of shutting off Sena's game by itself, then yes, it really is not a big deal. Mean spirited and jackass, yes, but not a big deal if it was an isolated incident. However, as ogon_bat pointed out, this is a continuous and series of these small, random acts of aggression that truly does constitute as bullying. Continuos, unwarranted, and directed acts of unkindness towards a specific person who does want it is considered as bullying or harrassing.

In that sense, Sena can also be considered as harrassing Kobato, although her actions are actually kind and giving instead of aggression. However, it is still unwanted (until after the fact, which Kobato always appreciates anything Sena does for her), so it can be considered harrassment.

[frubam]

Maybe a bit off-topic here, but Yozora's reaction about Kodaka's/Sena's engagement got me thinking; if, ultimately, there needed to be a decision by Kodaka to choose between Sena and Yozora, who would he choose? Based on the episodes thus far, I'm inclined to lean heavily in the Sena camp, not even considering the blatant attempts to quasi-ship them together(like Kodaka's trips to Sena's house for one example); just by their typical interactions with one another. HOWEVER, Sena seems pretty independent of needing any type of relationship, whereas Yozora seems like she'd seclude herself away in despair. Even though I shouldn't, I'm particularly emotional with such characters, thus I have the feeling that Yozora needs Kodaka more than Sena. Does that mean she deserves him? Not at all. But I'd rather see that than her spiraling into some kind of withdrawn shut-in =0(.

Originally Posted by ogon_bat

There, clarified it for you, since I cannot recall of any incident where Sena ever tries to hurt Yozora.

I have already clarified what I meant by my statement about Yozora's bullying, you fail to acknowledge any of it in the rest of your post.

And yeah, I hate bullies, no matter how people might try to excuse said behavior.

I dunno about calling it bullying. I mean, in this ep, Sena grabbed Yozora's flyswatter and smacked her with it. The concept of bullying to me is usually one-sided, with the one being bullied to be withdrawn from the bully himself/herself, but here, Sena always voices her opposition to Yozora when she disagrees with her. Just because Sena isn't as vindictive as Yozora is, doesn't particularly constitute bullying on Yozora's end.