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Soluzar · 2005-12-24, 01:11

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Originally Posted by Friendless

I read it, just read it wrong.

Well, that's fair enough, then.

What's your opinion now you understand the question? I think it's fairly clear that Ichigo started doing a lot better in that fight in his "masked" form. Wouldn't you agree that it allows him to access a level of power he is unable to tap into otherwise?

I loved that line where Byakuya said "I won't ask what that form was." I'm not sure if Byakuya was being polite, or whether he was afraid of the answer...

Spoiler for the next manga arc:

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Originally Posted by forbidden1four56

Also it didn't seem as if hollow ichigo wasn't even fighting seriously, like ichigo. But maybe its less that he has more power, he probably does, and more that he has better control and can handle the power better than ichigo can.

Yes, I agree. I feel like I should tell you that you can edit your own posts, once you have made them... there's no need for a triple post.

You should consider PMing a moderator to get those posts merged.

ScytheBlade · 2005-12-24, 02:15

During the fight with Kenpachi, Ichigo was charging up for the final attack. If you look at the shape of his aura, it was the hollow mask shape. You can discern the image if you look closely enough.

D-Technolife · 2005-12-24, 09:03

man... i wonder when will bleach end!?!?!? i hope not so soon!!!

MobiuS · 2005-12-31, 00:30

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Originally Posted by Friendless

I always took them apart via human looking creatures and giant black things with a white mask.

And the humans cosplaying as Hollows?

Calaquan · 2005-12-31, 01:40

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Originally Posted by Soluzar

Well, OK, I should have said that not having a chain is one of the two main differences. The mask and the chain. Those are the key differences. They aren't the only ways you can tell, but they are the only important differences.

No, live people have a "chain". The chain is what connects a spirit to it's body. That chain is severed by dying. Also, if you can somehow severe the chain, a person dies. (Or something similar to that, I remember when Renji and Byakuya came for Rukia, and after the fight with Ishigo, there was something said about Byakuya severing Ichigo's spirit chain)

If you remember the first episode of Bleach, the girl's spirit (the one who's flowers where knocked over) didn't have a chain either.

eLcHaKeTeRo · 2005-12-31, 05:00

Do you guys remember when Ichigo had to fight to get Zangetsu back from himself ?.........that was his hollow form right ?.......and more importantly didnt he say to teach him well because one day Ichigo's power would become his?.......and the mask that always saved ichigo's ass......there alot of stuff flying under the radar here...like all those other shinigami/hollows that were failed experiments like the one that killed ichigo's mother and that guy that rukia liked that looks alot like ichigo.....i am having a sensory overload here.....i was reading the raw manga and theres alot of interesting stuff.....i dont think that bleach will end anytime soon, i hope!.....i would also like to add that u guys are very avid watchers of bleach...i never noticed that there was no chain on the zanpakutou when he turns into the shinigami hybrid....and i think that shape when he was fighting kenpachi was zangetsu's profile, but i could be mistaken

propa03 · 2005-12-31, 19:31

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Originally Posted by Calaquan

If you remember the first episode of Bleach, the girl's spirit (the one who's flowers where knocked over) didn't have a chain either.

I believe she actually did have a chain, just that it was severed. Not gone, just hanging loose, like Ichigo's was in the shattered shaft.

At the post above, I'm fairly sure that was his hollow mask behind him, and Kenpachi had a giant skull behind him. IIRC.

eLcHaKeTeRo · 2006-01-01, 10:06

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Originally Posted by propa03

At the post above, I'm fairly sure that was his hollow mask behind him, and Kenpachi had a giant skull behind him. IIRC.

......im goin to watch again......i want to see for my self......who wouldnt want to see that badass episode again anyway?

crecsky · 2007-07-08, 12:38

The only reason for the chain being connected to the sword is because of the name. "Tensa Zangetsu" stands for "Heavenly Chains Moon Cutter." There is no secret meaning behind it, just for the effect.

Scep · 2007-07-09, 04:00

Cosmetic purposes. If anything, so ogihci can swing his sword like he does with the shikai. And yea, the name too.

XxHaixX · 2007-07-09, 09:42

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Originally Posted by crecsky

The only reason for the chain being connected to the sword is because of the name. "Tensa Zangetsu" stands for "Heavenly Chains Moon Cutter." There is no secret meaning behind it, just for the effect.

Thats probably it.... I dun think it has anything to do with ichi's inner hollow since Hichi did have the chain on his tensa zangetsu during his fight with ichi in ichi's inner world.....

Zu Ra · 2007-07-09, 22:02

Ichi became a shinigami the hard way i.e. soul chain cut off yadda yadda . So I can speculate its a representation of his Broken Soul Chain . Also Ichi is a Vizard or maybe something else

sakun · 2007-07-11, 00:09

in fact i think the chain is important because i think that in several episodes the one where he fights renji and kuchiki for the first time in the human where they came to take back rukia they refer to someone as "him" kuchiki said "he does resemble him" i think they "him" is either some legendary soul reaper or something or my theory is he is a soul reaper that they expertimented with and he became a bounto and his hollow side is his doll. and thats y he can sense other spirits. but thats just my theory.

ichigoismyhomie · 2007-07-11, 02:54

after reading all these hypotheses about the chain i come to one conclusion

mystery of the chain..

Spoiler for the chain:

black monster · 2007-07-11, 16:27

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Originally Posted by sakun

in fact i think the chain is important because i think that in several episodes the one where he fights renji and kuchiki for the first time in the human where they came to take back rukia they refer to someone as "him" kuchiki said "he does resemble him" i think they "him" is either some legendary soul reaper or something or my theory is he is a soul reaper that they expertimented with and he became a bounto and his hollow side is his doll. and thats y he can sense other spirits. but thats just my theory.

when byakuya said "he does resemble him" the him referse to Kaien Shiba

In terms of appearance, and in some cases, personality, Kaien had an uncanny resemblance to the series' protagonist, Ichigo Kurosaki. Kaien's hair is spiky, long in the back, and black. He dresses in the garb typical of shinigami, without any alterations, with his lieutenant badge around his left arm. Kaien also has a tattoo of the Shiba clan symbol on the same arm.

here is the prof http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaien_Shiba

2007-07-09, 22:02	Link #32
Zu Ra ✖ ǝʇ ɯıqnɾl ☆ Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Mortuary : D	Ichi became a shinigami the hard way i.e. soul chain cut off *yadda yadda* . So I can speculate its a representation of his Broken Soul Chain . Also Ichi is a Vizard or maybe something else __________________

2007-07-11, 02:54	Link #34
ichigoismyhomie ichigo's homie Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: da great state of kalipornyaaah	after reading all these hypotheses about the chain i come to one conclusion mystery of the chain.. Spoiler for the chain: Do your chain hang low Do it wobble to the flo' Do it shine in the light Is it platinum, Is it gold Could you throw it over ya shoulda If ya hot, it make ya cold Do your chain hang low

2005-12-24, 02:15	Link #22
ScytheBlade Rawr! Join Date: Dec 2005	During the fight with Kenpachi, Ichigo was charging up for the final attack. If you look at the shape of his aura, it was the hollow mask shape. You can discern the image if you look closely enough.

2005-12-24, 09:03	Link #23
D-Technolife -=Gwapohon=- Join Date: Dec 2005	man... i wonder when will bleach end!?!?!? i hope not so soon!!!

2005-12-31, 05:00	Link #26
eLcHaKeTeRo Falls for it every time. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chicago, Illinois Age: 39	Do you guys remember when Ichigo had to fight to get Zangetsu back from himself ?.........that was his hollow form right ?.......and more importantly didnt he say to teach him well because one day Ichigo's power would become his?.......and the mask that always saved ichigo's ass......there alot of stuff flying under the radar here...like all those other shinigami/hollows that were failed experiments like the one that killed ichigo's mother and that guy that rukia liked that looks alot like ichigo.....i am having a sensory overload here.....i was reading the raw manga and theres alot of interesting stuff.....i dont think that bleach will end anytime soon, i hope!.....i would also like to add that u guys are very avid watchers of bleach...i never noticed that there was no chain on the zanpakutou when he turns into the shinigami hybrid....and i think that shape when he was fighting kenpachi was zangetsu's profile, but i could be mistaken

2007-07-08, 12:38	Link #29
crecsky Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007	The only reason for the chain being connected to the sword is because of the name. "Tensa Zangetsu" stands for "Heavenly Chains Moon Cutter." There is no secret meaning behind it, just for the effect.

2007-07-09, 04:00	Link #30
Scep commands you to...! Artist Join Date: Apr 2006	Cosmetic purposes. If anything, so ogihci can swing his sword like he does with the shikai. And yea, the name too.

2007-07-11, 00:09	Link #33
sakun Member Join Date: Jul 2007	in fact i think the chain is important because i think that in several episodes the one where he fights renji and kuchiki for the first time in the human where they came to take back rukia they refer to someone as "him" kuchiki said "he does resemble him" i think they "him" is either some legendary soul reaper or something or my theory is he is a soul reaper that they expertimented with and he became a bounto and his hollow side is his doll. and thats y he can sense other spirits. but thats just my theory.