2007-07-31, 06:11 | Link #641 | |
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I believe that Tobi is Obito and that he is trying to unlock an Uchiha ability, which was possessed by Uchiha Madara that can only be accessed through some sort of ritual that requires the Bijuu to perform. From Sasuke's flashbacks we see that there was always something mysterious about the behavior of the Uchiha clan. Itachi's father was obsessed with seeing him progress as a ninja to gain influence on the higher ups in the village. It was of great importance that he attend the secret meetings. His father became enraged when he didn't. Itachi told Sasuke that a secret to the "True Purpose" of Sharingan lied within the Nakano Shrine, in the secret meeting place. Sasuke was readily aware that Kyuubi has some sort of history with the Uchiha. Kyuubi described his chakra as sinister like Uchiha Madara's. That would incidicate that Kyuubi knew Madara prior to his attack on Konoha (which could still possibly be Obito since he has been outside the village since before Yondaime became Hokage). Considering the Uchiha have a storied history that would lead them to create secret meeting places inside of shrines and the Kyuubi is a demon, I think that Uchiha Madara references a distant Uchiha ancestor in their history that interacted with Kyuubi and the other Bijuu, not Tobi himself. Itachi and Tobi have likely been well aware of the legends, having been introduced to them as Uchiha children at a certain age. Itachi's growth in power lead him to become arrogant and disgusted with the percieved incompetence of the clan, leading him to slaughter them and pursue the secret power they likely feared.
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2007-07-31, 06:28 | Link #642 | |
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I think this concept works similar to Jiraiya's Stone Frog summoning. He summoned Manda (having inherited Orochimaru's special sealing tatoo which can be seen on Chapter 363 page. 13), to form around him like a shield and hypnotized him with Sharingan so that he would stay in place, while he teleported himself into another dimension of Space-Time. When Suigetsu summoned Sasuke back he could only see Manda, then Sasuke suddenly appeared with the classic poof of smoke (Chapter 363 page. 12).
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I suggest you read the post I linked, and just because Tobi = Madara there is no need to give up on Madobi = Obito, he might be Madara but the body could just as well belong to Obito. Quote:
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2007-07-31, 08:45 | Link #646 |
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What a fantastic looking cover, since the covers are being done in colour now can we expect some sort of excitment
I just wanted to point out the transulation is different from manga to manga. and that i'd really like to destroy the notion that tobi isn't Madara because many seem to hold the belief that he is when i checked the transulation although they differ in wording the basic essence of the original wording is still there he's definitly Describing the sharingan ability and true power, Definitly not his identity Last edited by Hunter; 2007-07-31 at 12:34. |
2007-07-31, 09:41 | Link #647 |
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Right, but what Taku is saying is that this is only because you're reading it in English. You have an English degree, so you should know that the language is ambiguous by nature when compared to many others. What Taku is pointing out is that in the original Japanese, the kanji for that sentence indicates that Madara is referring to himself in the third person. Most translators from many other sources agree with this assessment. The literal translation comes out the way you said it, but that doesn't change its original meaning.
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2007-07-31, 10:44 | Link #648 |
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omg why doesnt some 1 just email kishis staff and get them to clarify omg! lol orjustbe patient and find out or wait for the dub which is professional trainlated i assume
here is an apparant few spoilers i got from some were.... if some 1 cares to translate Spoiler for chapter 365:
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2007-07-31, 12:12 | Link #650 |
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No kidding. All we keep hearing is "I think he means this" when what some of you THINK is irrelevant to dialog in a different language where the way something is said in a specific manner of organized characters is static.
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2007-07-31, 12:35 | Link #651 | |
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However i remember the case of Kakashi's sentence about Itachi becoming blind. Many said then that Kakashi was literally saying that Itachi is becoming blind, and there was no other possible meaning of that sentence. However after that we saw that Kakashi was meaning that Itachi didn't see the MS power in Kakashi's eye. Itachi was never becoming blind, he simply didn't see MS in Kakashi's eyes, but after Kakashi says that Itachi is shocked and says "you couln't have....", clearly the sentence would continue by "... developed MS?!". So i would not bet on that Tobi says he is Madara. In the case Kishimoto plays with us, it would be best idea from him to make Tobi say such words, thise way our debates about Tobi possibly being Obito can be even more heated. My opinion is that Kishimoto is playing with this Obito idea (making one eye hole, etc...) the same way as he played with us making us think that Kabuto will betray Orochimaru and that Kabuto has some secret/plan. The interesting part is that in this play Kishimoto can decide both ways, he can decide to make an evil-Obito or for Tobi to be simply Madara. Or something even more interesting, based on Hunter's theory about Madara: Tobi is Obito posessed by Madara. |
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2007-07-31, 12:54 | Link #652 | |
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I'm gonna take it like i read it the first time i don't believe that it's madara at all Tobi or the character we know as tobi to this point. may or may not have reveiled his identity i belive that will happen when faced with the shattering of Akatsuki that is if he is Madara if it turns out to in fact be Obito, Sas-God, Itachi and the rest will be incredibly shocked they'll all head back to konoho have some tea and dance around like merry little idiots and kakashi will finally reveal himself to be Yondaime |
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2007-07-31, 13:02 | Link #653 | |
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By the way... how did Kakashi develop MS? His loved ones were all killed already... and is losing Sasuke what triggered it? |
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2007-07-31, 16:12 | Link #657 |
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You don't have to believe the words of Itachi. It's only him who talks to his brother Sasuke about hatred, killing best friend and such stuff. He probably wants to drive Sasuke on the only way that he thinks may lead Sasuke to be stronger than him. However he is wrong, and Kakashi's MS has a good reason to exist (besides the fact that Kakashi is one of the most popular characters of the manga, so Kishimoto needed to upgrade him too after the timeskip), it will be probably important for Sasuke's growth. Sasuke will need to gain MS sooner or later because his real enemy is Tobi. I have a feeling that Itachi's life is nearing it's end, and his death will be very important for Sasuke returning to the good side.
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