Tales of Symphonia: Knight of Ratatosk Game Discussion

[serenade_beta]

Originally Posted by HayashiTakara

You should probably give on video games on consoles then. As nowadays finding 2d games is only possible on handhelds and PC.

HAAahh?! I don't understand what you are saying at all.

[HayashiTakara]

Originally Posted by serenade_beta

HAAahh?! I don't understand what you are saying at all.

Well, I think its obvious that you hate 3d, at least thats what I'm gather from your posts.

[serenade_beta]

Originally Posted by HayashiTakara

Well, I think its obvious that you hate 3d, at least thats what I'm gather from your posts.

Hai? If you were gathering information for the final showdown that would determine whether the world ended or not, the world would have indeed ended right there.
If I hated 3-D, I wouldn't have bought the Wii in the first place, no?

[HayashiTakara]

Originally Posted by serenade_beta

Even if you say that... It's not like we're going to do a count-down or anything...
That, and I'm not going to buy it. Come to think of it, I haven't finished watching the play videos yet...

I might just buy the novels instead. Saves money, and the artwork=win, compared to the game's constant 3-D.

AKA, Collete's hand motions in Ratatosk=Incredibly funny. I know they slacked on creating the game, but this is...

This was why I got the impression you didn't like 3D

[serenade_beta]

Originally Posted by HayashiTakara

This was why I got the impression you didn't like 3D

Ah~, I see. I don't hate 3-D, but 2-D>>>3-D, for anime.

[HayashiTakara]

Originally Posted by serenade_beta

Ah~, I see. I don't hate 3-D, but 2-D>>>3-D, for anime.

Its true depending on the situation... there are times where 3D is superior.

[HayashiTakara]

Omg Presea's soulmate scene was epic for my fanboy heart!

Spoiler for Conversation in Iselia and Flanoir:

Iselia: I cut out the beginning part of the conversation... I'll start where it got good.. This picks up right after Lloyd tells Emil that he's been travelling with Presea to collect the exspheres until recently, when all of this started happening.

Emil: So... uh... are you two...
Lloyd: Oh, yeah... uh... don't get the wrong idea. She's much older than you think.
Emil: What do you mean?
Lloyd: Nevermind, anyway she been through a lot in her past but she's doing everything she can to figure it out. So I want to be there for her.
Emil: I was a bit surprise, but yeah maybe you two do make a good couple.
Lloyd: Its ok if you don't get it.
Emil: So once you finish this journey you'll...
Lloyd: The two of us will go off again, I'll still come home to Iselia every now and then.
Emil: Well I hope it all works out.

Flanoir:

Presea: Lloyd...
Lloyd: Presea? What is it?
Presea: I'm glad, I thought you might be crying...
Lloyd: No way, well I was a bit down but no, I'm okay.
Presea: "Okay" that's not the first time you've said that.
Lloyd: huh?
Presea: We talked about this before here, when we say "It'll be okay..."
Lloyd: "...It's because we're not absolutely sure so we want to tell ourselves that" Yeah I remember
Presea: You didn't do anything wrong, I guarantee it. You're okay.
Lloyd: Ha ha, you got me there. You know back then I never imagined we'd be like this now.
Presea: He he, you're right, but I understand now. The strength you possess isn't for protecting yourself.
Lloyd: It isn't?
Presea: Yes, when you go to help someone else, you become the strongest in the world.
Lloyd: That's taking it a bit far.
Presea: No, I really believe it.
Lloyd: Thank you, if that's how you feel than that's how I want to be.
* Lloyd gets down on one knee and holds Presea's hand *
Presea: Lloyd...?
Lloyd: I want to be as strong as I can possibly be, so I can protect you.
Presea: Lloyd...
Lloyd: hm?
Presea: Don't ever leave me alone again...
Lloyd: I'm sorry, from now on I'll always be by your side.
Presea: Then it's... a promise..

[frubam]

Originally Posted by Hayataka

Omg Presea's soulmate scene was epic for my fanboy heart!

Spoiler for Conversation in Iselia and Flanoir:

Iselia: I cut out the beginning part of the conversation... I'll start where it got good.. This picks up right after Lloyd tells Emil that he's been travelling with Presea to collect the exspheres until recently, when all of this started happening.

Emil: So... uh... are you two...
Lloyd: Oh, yeah... uh... don't get the wrong idea. She's much older than you think.
Emil: What do you mean?
Lloyd: Nevermind, anyway she been through a lot in her past but she's doing everything she can to figure it out. So I want to be there for her.
Emil: I was a bit surprise, but yeah maybe you two do make a good couple.
Lloyd: Its ok if you don't get it.
Emil: So once you finish this journey you'll...
Lloyd: The two of us will go off again, I'll still come home to Iselia every now and then.
Emil: Well I hope it all works out.

Flanoir:

Presea: Lloyd...
Lloyd: Presea? What is it?
Presea: I'm glad, I thought you might be crying...
Lloyd: No way, well I was a bit down but no, I'm okay.
Presea: "Okay" that's not the first time you've said that.
Lloyd: huh?
Presea: We talked about this before here, when we say "It'll be okay..."
Lloyd: "...It's because we're not absolutely sure so we want to tell ourselves that" Yeah I remember
Presea: You didn't do anything wrong, I guarantee it. You're okay.
Lloyd: Ha ha, you got me there. You know back then I never imagined we'd be like this now.
Presea: He he, you're right, but I understand now. The strength you possess isn't for protecting yourself.
Lloyd: It isn't?
Presea: Yes, when you go to help someone else, you become the strongest in the world.
Lloyd: That's taking it a bit far.
Presea: No, I really believe it.
Lloyd: Thank you, if that's how you feel than that's how I want to be.
* Lloyd gets down on one knee and holds Presea's hand *
Presea: Lloyd...?
Lloyd: I want to be as strong as I can possibly be, so I can protect you.
Presea: Lloyd...
Lloyd: hm?
Presea: Don't ever leave me alone again...
Lloyd: I'm sorry, from now on I'll always be by your side.
Presea: Then it's... a promise..

That sounds... kinda unnatural. But i guess it's understandable since he does have a thing for older women XD! I missed the Flanoir event, but I'll get it on my 2nd and 3rd playthrough.

[Benoit]

Why the hell was this thread moved to Anime Discussion?

[OceanBlue]

Originally Posted by Benoit

Why the hell was this thread moved to Anime Discussion?

Because they decided to lump all of the "Tales of..." things in the "Tales of..." subforum?
It's similar reasoning as to why they put the manga of a series in the anime subforum of a series.

[Captain Yoruichi]

Originally Posted by HayashiTakara

I'm just happy that VA's like Terra Strong and Jennifer Hale are back! they did a great job on Presea and Sheena.

No, I don't think that's the case. Megan Hollingshead is doing Sheena's voice. There's no mistaking it.

I'm pretty sure that Collette is the only one from ToS with the same voice actor.

[rose-wisteria]

Originally Posted by Captain Yoruichi

I'm pretty sure that Collette is the only one from ToS with the same voice actor.

Presea retains her original VA as well.

[darkchibi07]

Originally Posted by rose-wisteria

Presea retains her original VA as well.

Uhhh, actually some people claimed that Presea's voice is also changed to Stephanie Sheh. It's pretty hard to tell though.

[Tamad]

Well at least it isn't as painfully obvious as Lloyd and Zelos oh god.

[Shift_]

Just had to note, this was quite the good game, but it was painfully too short =(

[serenade_beta]

Originally Posted by Mikachiru

But I guess TOS 2 has some perks...Somewhere...

Skits were awesome
Characters were awesome (In various ways, the characters made history too)
Last Boss BGM was... too good for words...

I probably the most obvious parts. I didn't buy the game myself, so I can't really comment about how some parts like the Pokemon catching (though there is a skit for collecting them all.......)

[Mikachiru]

Originally Posted by serenade_beta

Skits were awesome
Characters were awesome (In various ways, the characters made history too)
Last Boss BGM was... too good for words...

I probably the most obvious parts. I didn't buy the game myself, so I can't really comment about how some parts like the Pokemon catching (though there is a skit for collecting them all.......)

I agree with that. But, I still think the game could of improved.

Spoiler for Alice and Decus:

More importantly, why did Alice and Decus have to die!? They were teh awesomeness... I think they would of made better main characters.

[serenade_beta]

Originally Posted by Mikachiru

Spoiler for Alice and Decus:

More importantly, why did Alice and Decus have to die!? They were teh awesomeness... I think they would of made better main characters.

Spoiler:

Well, because:
1. Namco...!!!!!
2. They were slaughters who were responsible for killing lots of people/destroying cities, and if they were left alive, the chances of them doing more evil deeds and ruining more lives is high. Putting Decus aside (he's just listening to Alice, after all), there is no doubt that Alice is rotten to the core, after all, and it doesn't seem she would change her ways either.

[Mikachiru]

Originally Posted by serenade_beta

Spoiler:

Well, because:
1. Namco...!!!!!
2. They were slaughters who were responsible for killing lots of people/destroying cities, and if they were left alive, the chances of them doing more evil deeds and ruining more lives is high. Putting Decus aside (he's just listening to Alice, after all), there is no doubt that Alice is rotten to the core, after all, and it doesn't seem she would change her ways either.

No I knew that. Just...Why did they have to make Alice and Decus so darn cute? Alice is like Etna from Disgaea...Slave-driver...Sadistic...Monster tamer thing...Adorable...And would have no problem making you lick her shoes... And Decus...Is just Decus.

Now, why couldn't Marta be killed instead? She annoys the hell out of me with her "Emil, I hate you, you jerk!" and makes a 180 the next second and says "Emil, you're the only one for me!". Gawd, make up your mind, woman! At least Sheena and Zelos' relationship was...relatively stable...

The bad ending isn't even a ending. It's like a really glorified game over. You can't open the grade shop or even save over your data.

Spoiler for Bad ending:

BTW, does anyone know if Marta really kills herself in the bad ending in the JP version? I heard the NA localization changed it to her "wanting to protect the world Emil gave his life for" for unknown reasons.

[serenade_beta]

Originally Posted by Mikachiru

Now, why couldn't Marta be killed instead? She annoys the hell out of me with her "Emil, I hate you, you jerk!" and makes a 180 the next second and says "Emil, you're the only one for me!". Gawd, make up your mind, woman!

Hah~? The heroine get killed? I know there are games where that happens, but you are asking the impossible here. In that case, Estel might as well as commit suicide... Let's see the comments people have when their game's heroine dies.

Kids... Youth... It's a tough business. Ha-ha-ha (<--distant laugh)
Even if you say that, it's not like there is no reason for her attitude. Which part are you talking about? After the part where Ratatosk sends Decus and that female scientist off to somewhere?
From my memory (and I've watched the story+skits several times already), there was no moment where she switched from one attitude to another for no reason or "the next second".

Originally Posted by Mikachiru

The bad ending isn't even a ending. It's like a really glorified game over. You can't open the grade shop or even save over your data.

Spoiler for Bad ending:

BTW, does anyone know if Marta really kills herself in the bad ending in the JP version? I heard the NA localization changed it to her "wanting to protect the world Emil gave his life for" for unknown reasons.

Because it's a bad end. How do you expect to follow a new game+ when the protagonist ends up like that? It pretty much is just a game over.
You want to save a bad end...?

Spoiler:

No, she never kills herself.

Originally Posted by Mikachiru

No I knew that. Just...Why did they have to make Alice and Decus so darn cute? Alice is like Etna from Disgaea...Slave-driver...Sadistic...Monster tamer thing...Adorable...And would have no problem making you lick her shoes... And Decus...Is just Decus.

That's just the way it is. One of those "gap" things. It's no fun if every antagonist was some ugly man, right? Likable antagonists is in a way, a part of Tales, I guess.