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2008-04-26, 21:57 | Link #2803 |
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Well, I have rewatched the series three times and still find hard to believe that people can seriously think Dominura is Onashia, let alone be certain about it. It just doesn't add up on so many levels for me - from the obvious time-travel paradoxes to the difference in their personalities. Does the Dominashia theory requires her to have jumped forward in time or just lived on until the war started? Both scenarios seem extremely unlikely to me.
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2008-04-27, 00:46 | Link #2804 |
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Well, consider the following points:
1) First and foremost, the specks of golden dust Dominura leaves behind. 2) Yun utters Dominura's name after she received all of Onashia's feelings. 3) Dominura is said to be the sole survivor of Chor Dextra, Onashia identifies herself as a former member of that Chor. 4) Dominura actually does exactly what Onashia reproaches to herself: She runs away from her decision. Her fixation in Limone has to do with the latter's defiance of the role she is supposed to carry away, and that obsession has to do with Dominura's own conflict about the choice of her gender. Remember, she's the oldest member of the Sybillae (she's 20 when she joins Chor Tempest), and being three years past the age to make the choice, she ought to be heavily pressured by that. 5) Onashia's presence in the main timeline (solving the time paradox that you apparently mention, unless I'm missing something here) can be justified by her transformation into an "eien no shoujo"--an eternal maiden, a child who has never chosen and thus has eternally remained the same. This is an important plot point, Onashia herself explains it when she tells her story to Yun--she resides forever secluded in the Spring, a place twisted by space and time. If Dominura followed Onashia's steps and never made a choice, she would have evidently become the same kind of eternal maiden--the question is, where is she right now, if she's not Onashia? (Of course, that means we have to agree that Limone and Dominura actually traveled back in time when they performed the Emerald Ri Maajon--which is honestly the only explanation that makes sense). 6) And for some artistic similarities, there is the fact that both have green-colored hair (though Onashia's is expectably more faded), and both have very similar eye shapes--something that if you pay enough attention, doesn't happen with any main character at all. If that doesn't mean Dominura is Onashia, then it's a helluva lot of hints in that direction, and I think inventing another character which shares a lot of characteristics with Dominura and isn't actually her would worsen quite a bit the point of both characters. If Onashia isn't actually Dominura, then what's her point in the story? How did she come to be? What does she represent? How do you justify Dominura not existing in the main timeline as an eternal maiden in that case? A "multiple parallel universes" time paradox? That'd just add more unnecessary complexity to the (already weak) plot. Making those two characters completely unrelated to each other would make both of them much duller and less interesting.
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Do you believe in Amuria=Aaeru theory then? Their personalities are certainly very much similar and we never saw a dead body which is about the same amount of proof as there is for Dominashia.
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Once again, the whole character development would be much duller if they hadn't done something unique, something no one had done before. Quote:
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For the umpteenth time, I repeat: If Dominura is not Onashia, then a great part of what makes this series' character development great is lost. Hints without a purpose make for a duller experience.
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2008-04-27, 15:45 | Link #2810 |
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I finished the series today. Wonderful, simply wonderful
As for the Onashia/Dominura thing, I'd tend to believe that they are the same person, there are far too many hints, as WanderingKnight well explained. I don't think the writers put them randomly, imho they were clearly suggesting us Onashia's "true" identity. However, my problem is that I wish I'd not believe in this theory There's a simple reason: if Onashia is Dominura, where the hell is Limone? Why is she not with her? Did she choose a gender and then died? Did she and Dominura got separated for whatever reason? They are such a cute couple... I prefer to think they continued to live together loving each other till the end... Onashia's fate is just too sad... |
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Ultimately, I believe that Aaeru and Neviril perfected that which Dominura couldn't achieve: a perfect eternal stillness, shielded from the responsibility of choosing a path. Dominura (Onashia) didn't managed to become that, and thus she was condemned to eternally living in a state of impurity. Remember, whether you consider them to be the same person or not, Dominura and Onashia's inner conflicts overlap--Dominura is trying to run away from her choice, Onashia says to have done so, but at a terrible cost. Quote:
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Well, we are going in circles, really. I am pretty sure this was already discussed a few times, so will try to find some new arguments...not that it's likely that anyone would be convinced. EDIT: I found an interesting idea, all credit to warainagara - http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...postcount=1920 : Quote:
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2008-04-27, 18:28 | Link #2813 | |
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If you throw a red herring only for the sake of doing so, then, I repeat, it further dulls the impact of the series. I'd answer to the rest of your points, but I'm at work right now. I'll do so when I come back.
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2008-04-28, 00:11 | Link #2814 |
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having onasia = dominura in some significant sense is a great move, at least by potential. it develops onasia instantly, (kinda like the snapdragon sword in ogre battle, merging two characters into one, just like that) and if done well builds upon the larger plot as well.
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2008-04-28, 14:36 | Link #2817 |
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it is not necessary for onasia to be the dominura in the limone timeline, perhaps dominura without the significant development she went through, the dominura in the "what if she continued to be austere and iconoclastic"
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2008-04-28, 18:24 | Link #2818 | |
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Frankly, there is nothing in Dominura's storyline to indicate that she didn't know if she wanted to be a man or woman which is the crux of Onashia's background. She wanted to be at the Spring to guide others so they didn't make the same mistake she did.
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Please, explain the height difference. Did Dominura grow 10 cm when she became sparkly? |
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