2013-02-20, 12:19 | Link #22 | |
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Minato a distant senju offspring (possible illegitimate gran kid of Tobirama) And Sasuke the great grandson of Madara's brother (izuna?) and we're all set. |
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2013-02-20, 12:33 | Link #25 | |
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I think it's always like that for many long-running fantasy shounen manga/anime. Believe me, the retconning in Naruto manga is not as bad as retconning in Saint Seiya anime.
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2013-02-20, 12:42 | Link #26 |
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finally the Hashirama vs Madara getting progressed, the chapter was nice and i wasn't expecting for any other relation between the two, but i liked the kid versions of both.
it just reminded me of Tsunade when the markings on Hashirama's face appeared, now they really look related with a technique of markings appearing on the body, the Kurama in Susano armor was good, but din't like the thousand hands, it looked too much big and even though it might be a thousand times powerful of a technique but din't look cool at all
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2013-02-20, 12:49 | Link #29 | |
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But it's not like this is the first retcon in Naruto. Danzou, anyone? |
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2013-02-20, 12:51 | Link #30 |
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So it's likely that hashirama was the first "ninja" to enter sage mode...
Juugo who is an uzumaki is heavily connected with sage mode. I am interested to see where the senju and uzumaki intersect and that is prob going to be a flashback to the whirlpool village. Did Oro help crush it? How did he get juugo? I would t consider hashi having sage mode to be an asspull since he "has the body of the sage" I think Kishi f*cked up by having 3 clans involved in this, it would be fine to have just the 2 senju an uhichiha, but that wouldn't make sasuke and naruto destined rivals.. Adding the hyuuga would be more satisfying for me, like hyuuga is a branch/offshoot of uchiha and uzumaki is a branch/offshoot of senju.
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thanks every time i hear retcon i feel like its being touted as something negative, like the writer is moving the story along week by week without the complete story in mind…
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@the poster mentioning Mito. she definitely will have a role. it has already been revealed that she sealed the nine tails in herself. it would be funny if madara was in love with her…he did give his eyes to an uzumaki… this
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2013-02-20, 13:08 | Link #33 |
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no but apparently it should have been in order for his strength to be believable...i dont know half the captain bankais in bleach, but when we finally learn what they are, will that be a retcon? (not trying to discuss bleach, just wanted an example)
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2013-02-20, 13:41 | Link #34 | |
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So has this happened? Yes. So I don't know why you are being so defensive, I just made an observation and then stated my opinion by calling it a plot hole introducing change. I don't care if you don't agree with me. However you shouldn't make false accusations claiming that everybody here is misusing the term retcon just because you don't consider it a bad story development. |
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2013-02-20, 14:06 | Link #35 | |
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im not defensive, just not in line with your opinion i.e. i dont think hashiramas strength is a plot hole... its not about caring...we are sharing opinions are we not? and i didnt make an accusation (intentionally that is)...simply stated that it feels like the use of word retcon surfaces only to suggest a contradiction has been made. but since reading the definition you provided, my stance is now moot...retconning happens. in this instance i jsut feel like hashirama didnt have to go in to sage mode the first time he was onscreen in order for the appearance now to be believable
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2013-02-20, 14:08 | Link #36 |
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At this rate, this year will end before Naruto's fight.
Retconning or not, it's clear that the power ups has gone too damn far in this manga, and now they're just painful to watch. I suppose that the first edo Hashirama had like the 1% of his true power |
2013-02-20, 14:33 | Link #37 | |
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I agree, though there's nothing we can do about it, it's just a shame it detracts from the overall story. |
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2013-02-20, 14:58 | Link #38 |
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Reveal, yes. Completely change, no. Using DBZ as an example, Goku being a Saiyan is a reveal. Piccolo being Namekian instead of a Demon, however, is a change/retcon. Using Naruto, Danzou is a retcon, since if he were as much of a Warhawk who valued the safety of the village above all else as they said, he wouldn't have ignored Orochimaru's attack, not would he have just sat back while they picked a new Hokage without him being in the mix.
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2013-02-20, 14:59 | Link #39 |
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The third Hokage was said to be the strongest ever, and now its retconned as the first. Considering we haven't seen much from either of them, Hashirama being the strongest shinobi doesn't damage any elements of the story that I can think of, so whats the problem? I don't see the big deal here, I mean wasn't he a legendary Hokage anyway? I wonder if it was the fourth Hokage who was retconned as the strongest ever, would we be getting all these complaints?
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It seems that the Hashirama-Madara rivalry relationship is the opposite of the Naruto-Sasuke one: Hashirama being the genius type and Madara being annoyed by that Quote:
And most importantly now we know why was Madara bragging to the 5 kages that their fight was nowhere near the one that he had against Hashirama. And because of that it's becoming obvious that even if the completely exhausted alliance manages to win against Obito it will only lead to the fight against Madara which they cannot win. Madara's only concern is how to make Obito sacrifice himself to revive him, so i guess he doesn't really want to help Obito, rather he would like Obito to lose and then tell him that he can execute the plan if Obito revives him. Last edited by Ero-Senn1n; 2013-02-20 at 15:18. |
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