2008-07-05, 04:51 | Link #581 | |
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Or maybe she shouldn't have been captured in the first place. She should have kicked the ass of whatever giant insect(s) took her with her bare hands. She may not be the most proactive or bravest character on the show, but "should be able to handle on her own" isn't exactly fair. |
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2008-07-05, 05:07 | Link #582 | |
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It's a cruel standard that is too prevalant among viewers these days. It's like everyone expects every female character to be some kind of liberated superwoman that can rip out the spines of anything that threatens her. |
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2008-07-05, 05:22 | Link #583 | |
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I don't know, it really irks me that they have spent half the series portraying her as the damsel in distress. It's almost like Minmei topped with a dollop of loli and a side of moe. |
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2008-07-05, 05:29 | Link #584 | |
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@ Anh_Minh, personally, I can't blame Ranka for actually reacting that way in the face of danger, but I do blame the writers for shoving her a lot in those kind of situations, and expecting me not to roll my eyes after a while. I guess this is partly why I love Sheryl so much compared to Ranka. It's always easy to make people love and root for victims and underdog characters (well, talking about girls here ). It's a whole another story when it's a confident independant female Last edited by Eurys; 2008-07-05 at 05:39. |
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2008-07-05, 05:47 | Link #585 | |
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Your argument was impressive, but it had nothing to do with what was originally posted. You took a general statement about Ranka's attitude in her everyday life and applied it out of context to a specific, but extraordinary, situation. But this discussion really should go in the Ranka thread. |
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2008-07-05, 07:09 | Link #587 |
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I'll add that while I am a Ranka fan compard to Sheryl (hey, I like both), I think it's fairly obvious why Ranka plays the victim or in her right mind, plays in a laid back manner in regards to dire situations, whether in romance or in battle. It's probably the victim complex due to her past and maybe even *gasp* her actual personality to do with that. I don't think it's inherently faulty of her to do so, just as much Sheryl's bossiness and cockiness can get her into trouble too. They obviously both have their pros and cons but I can relate to Ranka a bit more because my attitude is just like her in real life AND she's so insanely cute.
All that said, I don't think Sheryl's obstinate attitude could save her from the likes of the Vajra like that. It's fairly obvious that the show is putting Ranka's helpless attitude right on top of her helpless situations. |
2008-07-05, 07:25 | Link #588 |
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That's the problem, more so than Ranka herself it's that the show constantly has her in those situations, I mean no one expects Ranka to be piloting by series end (Sheryl and Alto the new Max and Millia!) but we could do without a few helpless situations. She's always relying on Alto in regards to getting saved, career, asking for advice. Ranka uses him as a crutch and god think how much worse it will be if Ozma bites the bullet....
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2008-07-05, 07:28 | Link #589 |
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Well, then again, it looked like Sheryl was a bit jealous of Ranka swooping in and taking the spotlight on the Zentraedi planet, Ranka still did a lot of the actual work to get so far, and being so extra shy as her original personality was, just getting up there must have been an ordeal in itself. As much as she says she is relying on the likes of Alto and Sheryl, I think she gives herself too little credit.
I can understand the Min-May comparisons, but Minmay was on full exploitation mode halfway through. Ranka still acts and probably really thinks she is a helpless underdog still. |
2008-07-05, 09:44 | Link #590 | |
Catholic = Cat addiction?
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That she had to be 'saved', and a feeling of worthlessness was proving unbearable for an individual who, so far, had accomplished everything through willpower alone. And, unlike Ranka, Sheryl had no qualms talking about Ranka and was the first to suggest that Mikhail should help looking for her, or die trying. Ranka on the other hand, never even mentioned Sheryl. The moment she swooped down the planet to departing with Alto, she made absolutely no mention of the Galactic Fairy whatsoever, as if she didn't exist at that point. - Tak |
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2008-07-05, 12:31 | Link #591 |
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I wonder why so many people think Sheryl is jealous of Ranka in ep12. I mean you guys never read Sheryl's blog? She compares Ranka to a singer from 18 fleet she greatly admires as she sees Ranka possesses same quality of that singer from the 1st time Ranka comes into her sight. I also wonder why people think Sheryl is not grateful to Ranka because she looks depressed at end of ep12. Ranka is not standing before her and she is alone. It's time to blame her own inability.
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2008-07-06, 11:51 | Link #594 | |
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2008-07-06, 19:17 | Link #597 |
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Uh yeah, cause Sheryl is psychic and would know that Ranka would turn around at precisely that moment to see the kiss. That's why we are all scratching our heads about your so-called "dissection" of that scene. Ranka was facing the ocean, Sheryl did not see Ranka turn around. She kissed Alto and while that was happening Ranka turned around and saw it.
Oh and when we are talking about a character being insecure or needy we are not just focusing on the relationship with Alto aspect...but the character as a whole. Ranka has constantly needed someone to prod her into doing things. She is starting to move away from that, but she still does it. Sheryl is all about relying on her own strength. Doing what she can with her own two hands. In fact, maybe she does that too much. Maybe her problem is that she needs more human contacts and people IRL to support her. Does this mean Sheryl is super confident in EVERYTHING she does? No, of course not. She is human. And when it comes to relationships...well that is another person in the equation. You can only do so much with your own two hands, but the other person must return the feelings. Sheryl sees very much as of episode 13 how strongly Alto is feeling for Ranka. But what does she do? She gets over that moment of pain and says she'll do what she can to go rescue Ranka. I respect her for that. And I'm not saying Ranka cannot grow. She has already grown a bit. Hopefully she will continue. The best story writers know how to develop their characters. I truly hope she becomes something more then the typical damsel in distress.
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2008-07-06, 19:59 | Link #598 |
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I see how you can speculate all that, but I really think you're giving Sheryl too much credit.
The way I see it, she doesn't really pay attention to people. Having her attention is some kind of gift she bequeaths at her leisure. You should feel honored if she even acknowledges your existence, let alone your presence. Actually knowing your name makes you special. This impression of her's is reinforced every time she talks to Ranka. Not with, to. Trite lines from a motivational speaker's playbook and the way she seems to look past or above Ranka, it's like she doesn't even consider her as another person. She doesn't generally think about or consider other people. Only Alto for whatever reason. "Being Sheryl over just Sheryl" has less to do with how he looks at her than how other people look at her I wager. Heaven forbid she acknowledge the mooks that buy into her music and performances as other humans who deserve to be treated as though they have at least the right to live. Can't break the illusion that she's somehow above and superior to them. So, she's not aware of how Ranka feels about Alto, because Ranka is beneath her notice. For Sheryl to be threatened by Ranka, it'd be like me being threatened by the fact an ant can lift fifty times it's own weight. That Alto would favor Ranka over herself is inconcieveable. Like a McDonald's over a 5 Star Restaurant. Sheryl's not insecure. She's blinded by confidence and is exceedingly arrogant. |
2008-07-06, 20:14 | Link #599 |
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Can anyone give /facepalm again?
If Sheryl ever looks at Ranka then she's a selfish bitch bursting with jealousy and insecurity. If Sheryl never looks at Ranka then she's a selfish bitch who cares only for herself... None of those is the case So you think Sheryl would give someone who she didn't even consider as a person advices and supports? Sheryl respected and saw potential in Ranka's voice. It is the contrary, Ranka's the one who never looks past her idol admiration and insecurity to actually care for Sheryl as a person. Last edited by nanatsusaya; 2008-07-06 at 20:27. |
2008-07-06, 20:43 | Link #600 |
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Better question now is how is Sheryl going to evolve now that Grace is gone. Does she know how to access her money? What about media contacts and contract obligations.
Once we get past the current Vajra battle it'll be interesting to see what slant will be taken with her. |
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