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View Poll Results: Critique of Episode 42 | |||
10 out of 10: Near Perfect... | 1 | 4.00% | |
9 out of 10: Excellent... | 6 | 24.00% | |
8 out of 10: Very Good... | 6 | 24.00% | |
7 out of 10: Good... | 8 | 32.00% | |
6 out of 10: Average... | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10: Below Average... | 2 | 8.00% | |
4 out of 10: Poor... | 1 | 4.00% | |
3 out of 10: Bad... | 1 | 4.00% | |
2 out of 10: Very Bad... | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10: Torturous... | 0 | 0% | |
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2012-07-29, 11:23 | Link #21 |
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=Girard Springgan's backstory is tragic and nicely told...but what was on my mind when I was watching this episode was: why should I care? It would be more effective if Girard was introduced early as we slowly get to know her backstory. But instead, we have entire episode for this random character who will most likely be killed off the next episode. All the screen times could have been given for more Asuno family interactions or the adventure of Captain Ash for something
-I know the federation is useless and corrupted, but it's like the creative team trying to hard to humanize the Vagans and portray the federation as bad as possible recently. -Enough with the preaching Kio, you won't change anything! -"Exterminate the Vagans!!!" GO GO GRANDPA FLIT!!!! -Captain Ash unaffected by the X Rounder breakdown.
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2012-07-29, 12:12 | Link #22 |
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As far as the episode goes...
1. I agree with LightningZERO. They thrown in a new character that betray Feddie b/c of Feddie's dark side? Like I already don't know that... 2. Oh Kio, like anyone would listen to a kids babbling about how he will end the war himself. Okay, he sympathized with Vagan, but it's never a good idea of trying to convince someone to turn to the other side, especially when the other side is just as evil. 3. Flit finally sortie, of course, he's staying in his crazy "Vagan must be exterminate at all cost" mode. He just doesn't age well at all. 4. Reina/Girard Spriggan, if she don't get kill by next episode I'll be surprised... 5. Gotta love Super Pai-rotto not affected by the Psychoframe burst X-Rounder burst (Don't know the term for this...) 6. Last note, Girard's machine is Madorna's creation, no wonder it's so good unlike all the other Feddie MS. Overall, it's yet another very average episode. Are they writing this episode just so that people can feel sorry for Reina/Girard? If that's the case, it just doesn't work that well...
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2012-07-29, 12:38 | Link #25 | |
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I didn't really need yet another episode of "lolvillain" from Federation, I figured it out a while ago.
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2012-07-29, 12:49 | Link #27 |
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They sort of confirmed that the Federation was aiming to risk their lives, even if the tech guy (who I was suspecting at first) did sabotage something, its just a drop in the bucket. It doesn't change the fact that the Feds were using them like test rabbits and throwing their lives away.
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2012-07-29, 12:52 | Link #28 | |
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Rookie enemy Newtype (or whatever super human ability) with latest Newtype MS charging deep into enemy territory and blowing up fodders left and right pretty much means instant death by protagonist within 2 episode.
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2012-07-29, 13:03 | Link #29 | |||
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I mean the Federation in itself is not going around blowing up cities, gunning down civilians, or running tests on humanity to see who would be ideal for some utopia. In any case, if they want to humanize the Vagans they could at least show some that aren't exactly happy with the way the war is running. Quote:
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2012-07-29, 13:27 | Link #30 |
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I was pleasantly surprised when I saw this had aired. I'll form my thoughts on this later, but it was nice to see former commander Flit charge into the battlefield yelling exterminate all vagans. Makes me wonder how long until he starts calling Kio a Vagan...
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2012-07-29, 21:48 | Link #31 |
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*sigh* I'm rather saddended by this "Flit is so cool for shouting 'EXTERMINATE THE VEGANS!'" disease going around the 'net. If this were any other character he'd be called an emo psychopath, but because he's not a teenage character anymore..........
I refuse to accept any character who rants of or cries out desires for genocide as any form or synonym of "cool." Flit's bordering on a psychopath who either needs a serious wakeup slap, or be put down like the rabid dog he is. Heck, even the son he raised doesn't agree with his "Vegans are all evil" views anymore, and Asem never even saw what the Vegans are really like back in their home. Kio needs to give his grandpa a heavy b*tchslap.
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2012-07-29, 22:10 | Link #32 | |
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2012-07-29, 22:51 | Link #33 | ||
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Where have the Vagans demonstrated anything that would sympathize with them? I really am interested to see what you guys are watching because so far the Vagans have yet to do anything angelic or deserving of sympathy or any less "villain-like." Oh wow there was this cute girl named Lu, all of a sudden that wipes the slate clean of all the bad things the Vagan did. Granted, Flit is pretty angsty but what do you expect? This is a guy whose family was wiped out in front of his eyes as a child and witnessed atrocities committed by the Vagans throughout his life. The worse was when Decil took Yurin as a playtoy and used her as such where Flit cherised life itself. 60 years later the Vagans are still doing the same thing and the fact that this is all a "test" where the weak are thrown away just makes it even worse. Kio's no better with his "we need to understand" or "let's stop fighting" crap. I was expecting Girald to have some deeper meaning but we've already known the Federation was corrupted and it still doesn't make the Vagans any less villain like. They aren't the ones going around running tests to see who lives and dies. Asemu on the other hand is the only one level headed since he's the one trying to reveal the truth to Zeheart that the Vagans are being led down a destructive path. That and the Eden plan isn't what he thinks it is. Why isn't Kio doing that? This whole war isn't about the Federation's corruption or oppression. It's the fact that one guy wants to use war as a test to see who gets to live in his utopia. Quote:
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2012-07-29, 23:31 | Link #34 |
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Your attempt at sarcasm is falling flat.
We can all fault the Feds for abandoning the Vagans at Mars and did a massive cover up, however if you are going to fault Flit for holding a grunge at the Vagans then by the same reasoning you should be faulting Ezelcant of the same thing because Ezelcant is holding a grunge at humanity as a whole for the entire time because of his son dying of Mars rays. On top of this Ezelcant is in the lower moral position because we also knew that the Feds offered an olive branch - a symbol of redemption of humanity to right the wrong - to the Vagans during Gen 2/Asemu's arc but they flatly refused and continues with their social Darwanist plan with invasion and murdering non-combatant civilians to "evolve" a new human race - clearly Ezelant is off the cliff more so than Flit ever is or was. The fact that the war is still going on now is CLEARLY Ezelant's fault, and I'd like to see you argue otherwise.
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2012-07-30, 00:53 | Link #36 | |||
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I've never tried to defend Ezelcant's plan, because it honestly is awful. All I've done is try to be as objective as possible, something some around here, including yourself, are incapable of it seems. Quote:
First of all, it's HIS plan, Ezelcant's plan, not the Vagans' plan. That was made pretty obvious in the last couple of episodes. If it wasn't evident in 39 when Ezelcant spilt the beans to Kio, it should have been when Asemu tried to tell it to Zeheart. The Vagan goal is totally different from Ezelcant. HE doesn't' want peace, the rest of his people probably do, just not at the expense of remaining on Mars and keeping the status quo. This is most likely what the Federation offered them. Flit also doesn't want peace because his goal is the extermination of ALL Vagans, his exact words btw...I fail to see how one is higher on the moral scale than the other. Both are wrong, Quote:
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This isn't really surprising either because the Vagan military, even sans Ezelcant, were still brainwashed enough to wants blood, more so than Flit. Again see Fram and others.
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2012-07-30, 02:56 | Link #38 | |
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His Mother Yurin Countless of soldiers following his orders over the years. Grodek Woolf Bridge blackguy from S1/Millias (sidestories) Asemu up until recently Countless of civilians caught in the crossfire between gen 1-3 up to 40% of Earth Assuming his old Gen-2 home colony that thing that made him step by as commander-in-chief Flit has been fighting the war his whole life and he keeps losing people close to him, of course the guy wants to exterminate the other side when they have been exterminating his side for the past 60-70 years. Genocide isnt justified from our point of view, but we can atleast understand why Flit wants to commit genocide against the Vagans, anyone denying that he has a valid reason for it sem to forget how long the show has been running inuniverse |
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2012-07-30, 03:18 | Link #39 |
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The fact that you say Fram, Zeheart and Dean are fighting for Ezelcant's "cover story" which is to murder Earthnoids indiscriminately just destroys any claims of objectivity you might make. I'm not gonna bother dissecting your arguments because pretty much everything you said is extremely biased and just plain wrong. It's sad that some of you won't get it even if the show smacks you over the head with it.
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2012-07-30, 03:36 | Link #40 |
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Revolutionist, Did you live during the Cold War era?
If you did you should be familiar with the doctrine called Mutual Assured Destruction. One would say it nuclear weapons are deterrents. But what if the other side in a fit of insanity launch its nuclear weapons? The other side would naturally retaliate as to deny the other side victory. The Vegans made first strike committing genocide in a grand scale for 70 years, the Federation justified in retaliating back by wiping out the threat. The Federation has been reluctant get to a Lensman arms race with the Vegans due to historical precedents now they've been backed in the corner and are now willing to use them. (Plasma Diver Missiles) |
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