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.... On a related note.... Guys, I have something that I really want to run by you involving Iris.... specifically her status as an S-rank mage. *Dodges death glares, prog knives, and rotten fruit* WAIT WAIT, HEAR ME OUT! After some consideration of the situation with Iris and my still-forming picture of her, I realized that there's a very simple, very easy way to match her up with Vivio as a romantic interest without setting off every squick alarm from here to 4chan, and that method is to make her a child of Project FATE. The story goes like this: Iris grows up as a member of the Kingswood crime family (named for the Holden Kingswood, in keeping with the tradition of naming Mid-Childan characters after cars), a high-ranking combat mage and skilled assassin. She's a AAA-rank mage at the age of 19 as of five months after A's, when Nanoha and Fate begin to conduct an investigation of the Kingswood family and their connection to a mysterious arms dealer, namely good old Scaglietti, who's supplying the Kingswood family with mass-based weaponry in exchange for funding for the creation of the Numbers. Eventually Nanoha and Fate begin to zero in on Scaglietti's base of operations, and the Kingswood family responds by dispatching Iris to protect Scaglietti. At the same time, however, Hayate and the Wolkenritter join the investigation, with Vita reinforcing Fate and Nanoha while Hayate, Signum, Shamal and Zafira hit the Kingswood family compound. Fate, Nanoha, and Vita arrive at Scag's base of operations and are met at the front door by Iris. Iris is an even match in power for each of her opponents, but she has vastly more skill and experience, and successfully does battle with our heroines, stalling them long enough for several of Jail's Type-IV Gadgets to get into ambush positions. The trap is sprung, Nanoha takes a near-fatal blow, and Fate goes ballistic, unleashing Riot Zamber and Sonic Drive for the first time and annihilating both Iris and the Gadgets... but Jail has already packed up shop by the time the battle is over. In the aftermath, one of Jail's Gadgets returns to the site and retrieves Iris's corpse, which is then revived using the techniques involved with Project FATE. Jail plans to use Iris the same way he uses Lutecia, and for a while he does, using her to steal Jewel Seeds to power his Gadgets with. Eventually, however, Iris gets too willful for Jail to control, and takes off in search of a more interesting line of work, and hopefully more powerful enemies to face. Jail dryly makes a note to install some kind of control mechanism in the still-developing Lutecia. Eventually, Iris falls in with another crime family, who use her as their top assassin until Vivio shows up a few years after StrikerS. *** My justifications for the S-rank are as follows: first, Iris spent the majority of her first life in training to become the Kingswood family's chosen enforcer/assassin, and it took her quite a number of years to reach AAA-rank, as opposed to Nanoha and Fate who basically started off like that. After her resurrection, she continues her training out of habit, and by the time Vivio turns up on Arcadia, she's had between 7-10 extra years to achieve S-rank. The advantages of putting her through Project FATE should be obvious from a 'shipper's point of view: with Iris essentially going through her childhood all over again, she has room to be both very mature and very skilled while still being at a proper age to be Vivio's romantic interest; she'd be about 14-15 years old at the story's start, possibly a bit younger. My reasons for making Iris into an S-rank are also related to the plot I have laid out. Fate holds Iris largely responsible for Nanoha's near-death experience, and when Iris comes knocking with Vivio at the end of the first story arc, Fate's not going to be the least bit happy to see her again, creating an incredible amount of tension between them (Never mind what Vita would have to say about it). This isn't helped in the slightest by the fact that Iris would gladly fight with Fate again to "settle the score" save for Vivio's wishes, which she will by this time be following faithfully. The tension only gets greater if Iris is an S-rank, because it suddenly becomes uncertain as to who would come out on top in such a battle. Well, what do you guys think? I tried to think this out from every angle and I couldn't come up with any flaws in the idea save for the scrutiny S-ranks get around here. If it's still not enough justification I could also just lower her rank or say that her growth has stagnated since her first death. I also think I've done a rather bang-up job of smoothly integrating her into canon. But enough about what I think; what do you guys think?
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2008-05-20, 21:12 | Link #122 |
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Comar: Regarding that bubble thing: Cone shape. That would help make your mage barrier push air aside go faster thimajiggy a bit better compared to the standard mage bubble thing. Alternatively, just say it's a mod of the standard bubble thing.
From what I could see the trend of haxxbusters becoming more blunt actually started around the time ATC came and how he went blithely happily producing the battery armor and Lance Rifle, and he wasn't listening to subtlety which is why I went all bluntness on him. Then Comar was next with the haxx and the stubborness, and what really made me dislike him was his stated intentions that he would not compromise and we could all go fly kites, aka the second coming, so i feared, of ark. So yeah since I pointed ATC here forgetting how he was like I guess I'm kinda responsible. Regarding everything else: a bit busy atm. Will read over later.
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2008-05-20, 23:25 | Link #123 |
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Timing is off. Nanoha's incident took place two years after A's while Hayate would still be recovering just five months after A's.
Never said but Fate wasn't likely to be with Nanoha during that particular operation. Even then, the gadgets were still an unknown to the Aces and the TSAB then sans the Type-4. Scag has the Brains for funding so it's more likely that he just sought out the family for the gadget parts. Besides, the Brains would want to keep their prized Orphan close to keep an eye on him. S-ranks are still okay with justifications and histories. It's the SS ranks or dubious/h4xx abilities that will ring the alarm bells. S-rank mage along the lines of Zest and a B-rank mage with uber-abilities; pretty obvious which will raise eye-brows. That's all for now. Will see if I missed anything out later.
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2008-05-20, 23:43 | Link #124 | |
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2008-05-21, 00:10 | Link #125 | |
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Pardon me though, I'm busy rushing to write articles (working in a publishing company) so my brain juices are currently fully occupied with that. I'd suggest that Iris not have anything to do with Jail, and move the incident with her family further back, making her age on par with Vivio. You can say she has talent to begin with, and started training at a very young age. Then possibly reset her rank to AAA+, being on the verge of S, this I feel sounds a little more workable. It may be a bit far from what you have in mind, but there's your extreme (I feel it's a bit extreme), and a middle ground I suggested. With that, just work your way up or down. Hope this helps.
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*Coma doubleblinks* ...come to think of it, was Vivio flashgrown, or did she make five years naturally?
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2008-05-21, 00:46 | Link #127 |
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No Fate anywhere in sight even though Nanoha was seriously injured for one, and Vita is the only one talking about 'failing to protect her' that time. Every time the incident or flashbacks thereof are mentioned, focuss is on Vita or Nanoha. Heck, episode 9 blatantly states 'Vita' and no other names.
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Don't mess with the Nano/Vita fan :3
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2008-05-21, 02:58 | Link #130 |
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*sneaks in*
A little... Gift for Keroko, who never comes into the IRC, and is thus powerless to stop us doing this: Spoiler for Tesla with Melon Pan?:
And... Spoiler for Tesla Vision?:
*RUNS FASTER*
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Destroids that's who! Twin gatling cannon spam for teh win! More and more I want to write later series crack… Hmm maybe I should rip off goose, but set my fic during the frontier era. Yes I can see it now “Outer Cadia Tactical: We might be crazy, but if you're afraid of us just think how your enemies feel! Be sure to check out our new Big Creepy Crawly/Space Pirate removal package deal!” Quote:
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You and your Macross crack have already taken over the IRC, now you're trying to get into Cadia proper?! Away with you and your giant robots! Away, I say!
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Hmm, I don't know... it sounds too.... convenient. A character that can beat Nanoha and Fate and also be of Vivio's age so she can be her lover? Quite frankly, this character is taking her first steps over the line that seperates a good character from a Mary Sue, and I think its better to stop it here and re-think it. Last edited by Keroko; 2008-05-21 at 08:17. |
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2008-05-21, 08:43 | Link #137 | |
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The problem with simply making Iris a normal kid who was raised in The Spartan Way is that she needs to have some pretty damn good skills with multiple kinds of swords, similar to Archer's fighting style, and something that takes a lot longer to learn than magic and has to be learned from scratch; "natural talent" with a blade doesn't go nearly as far as natural talent with magic. The only way around this that I could see would be to add the "inherit skills" feature of Archer's tracing magic into Iris's steel magic, something I'm really leery on because I have no idea how I'd explain it in-series; the best I could do would be to tear the explanation straight from Wikipedia.
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As for Aeon's idea, this is how I think things would go at first: Iris is born into a minor branch of the Kingswood family and is identified as having an enormous amount of natural talent as well as a Rare Skill that lets her create and control masses of metal and metallic objects. She is placed into intensive training almost as soon as she can walk, in preparation for a lifetime of service to the main family. Iris is brought up by her sensei, a master swordsman who teaches and guides her like a loving father. It is from him that Iris acquires her personal moral code, sense of honor, and unparalleled skills with a blade. Her style is known as "Ryuudou" (The Flow), a style of swordsmanship that emphasizes flexibility and mobility above all else. When Iris is 12, her mentor passes away and she is inducted into the main family before her training is complete. Nonetheless, she proves herself to be an extremely capable assassin, bodyguard, and all-around combat mage, though her assignments frequently grate on her sense of honor, and the family head needs to keep a limiter on her to ensure she doesn't get any funny ideas about her loyalty.
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Chop chop bed time for me. Gonna rest before getting up for the big Champion's League final. *runs away from anti-football fans (the type you actually use your feet to play, mind)* Disclaimer: Since I'm lacking a bit of rest and ideas lately, my spiels may come across as...not very coherent at times. Do pardon if you get confused.
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