2009-08-13, 08:08 | Link #481 | |
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2009-08-13, 08:49 | Link #482 | |
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You're that the "<-->" means that both parties are in love with each other, like Chiba x Tudduh and Orgi x Villetta, as well as Charles x Marianne. The only one who never had the "<-->" was Lelouch, who only got: *Lelouch <--> Death* And everytime I would mention this relationship, I would get bashed to death about it. A guy can't have his opinions heard. It always had to be either Shirley or Kallen who are Lelouch's love interest, buy not Milly. Oh well. Death was the only love interest that won in the end for Lelouch. |
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2009-08-13, 09:05 | Link #483 | |
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I believed that Lelouch's feeling for Euphemia is that of a very close sibling relationship in the same manner as he has for Nunnally. She was one of the few people that he could confide in. Afterall, Euphemia was family to Lelouch and Nunnally. |
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2009-08-13, 09:50 | Link #484 | |
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they only removed stuff out of lack for time, and put more emphasis on rolo and shierly because those are the two characters that led to Z-R SEED got 3 movies for a 50 ep show destiny got 4 eps this one got 1 ep for a 25 ep show while cutting out all the beginning including much of lelouch's development (ep 7 was IMO one of the key moments in his character development, when he actually started to be somewhat heroic) and what on earth makes you think that a recap movie is more canon then the anime its recaping its like saying that the black rebellion DVD was canon while season 1 wasnt and everything that didnt appear there was non canon
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2009-08-13, 11:13 | Link #485 |
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Well, it's not like they didn't add something new. Don't forget all the comments made by the characters, hehe... Okay it's not that big of a deal.
I understand where you getting at, Kusa and in a normal situation, i would even agree, but the movie is very rushed to say that this is really what they want to pass. I'm not even talking about Kallen, there is a lot of plans that are only mentioned or not mentioned at all. In the BK betrayal, for example, it goes directly to them pointing guns to Lelouch. All the talk before that between them and Schneisel simply doesn't exist in the movie(which, in fact, was good for me, because i always hated how Ohgi came with Villeta and no one gave a crap about it, haha). Coming back to the romance field, for me, it's like making an amv, you see. With imagination, you can even make Ninalulu seems canon. Something like that is what happens in this movie, there is a super exposition of Shirley and lack of Kallen screentime. I talked about the dvd in other thread. The first appearence that Kallen makes in the movie is when she loses for Xing-ke. All of her development before that episode is not in the movie. Her scenes in the prison also doesn't exist, she only reappears in the rescue. In fact, the kiss scene even seems a bit off the context, since there's litle to no kalulu development in the movie. There is the "live on", but even that is rushed, since their talks before that were also cut. By only watching the movie, you think Kallen got a little crush or even less. With Shirley is quite the opposite. She got more than half an hour for her, the whole beginning of the movie is for her, the episode where Lelouch go out with hundreds of girls is there, the hat episode is there... You can notice that there is more of her going on because she is one of the reasons that why the shit hit the fan. Just like with Rolo. Besides the scene of him killing Shirley, you can not even notice that he was there initially to kill Lelouch. It's a much more sympathetic view of his chara, so there is really something going on for them. |
2009-08-13, 13:53 | Link #486 |
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To put some more holes in the whole argument about canon this or canon that, please listen to the Shirley's dialogue. If the show is meant to show it as canon, then why the hell does she question whether or not she actually loves Lelouch?
If you'd actually listen to the dialogue, you'd know that it is in fact not presented in any way as being canon of some sort of super love, its about sympathetic exposition, the summary is as vague as the vagueness of the anime. Moving right along... Last edited by Frostfire; 2009-08-13 at 14:21. |
2009-08-13, 14:00 | Link #487 |
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its nothing new
the only real bit of "new" info" you get is that they replaced kallen's epilouge speech with one that has C.C declare that lelouch is DEAD for good guess the "naa...lelouch ?" of the anime version gave people the wrong idea so they felt they had to hammer home the point
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2009-08-13, 14:21 | Link #488 | |
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Oh c'mon Kusa-san, The ZR DVD can't replace all the development that happened in the actual series. I mean, I know I said the same thing about Shirlulu being what the staff wanted to leave in our minds, but I was just joking about it. As blade said, the most-likely scenario is that he loved both of them.
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2009-08-13, 14:27 | Link #489 | ||
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If you want to strike up the comparison with Kallen and Shirley, you may as well compare apples to oranges. The situations are vastly different and comparing to Kallen, who at all times gave Lelouch the benefit of the doubt, you'd be setting up a poor comparison. To repeat myself, though. I wasn't saying it was uncalled for or nonsensical in its presentation. It made perfect sense, but you have wonder what a line like that would be doing if they were there to show EPIC LOVE between two characters. It was about sympathy. Quote:
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2009-08-13, 17:42 | Link #490 |
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I wonder what will happen if Kallen and C.C. somehow meet up again after Lelouch died. It would be interesting to see the conversation between them. Of course the main topic WILL be Lelouch and I wonder personally how Kallen would would approach C.C. after what happened in their last "meeting". Maybe embarrassed slightly? lol
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2009-08-13, 17:47 | Link #491 | |
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i'd expect kallen to rip C.C's hairs off and paint her sculp blue then stick her in a trash bin, tape the lid shut, and kick her down a flight of stairs and before kicking her, say something like "this is for letting lelouch commit suicide and not telling me about it in time to stop him, you inhuman heartless bitch" or something along those lines somehow i get the sense that if anything, C.C would be met with hostility from kallen for knowing what lelouch was really after and not lifting a finger to protect him
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2009-08-13, 18:10 | Link #492 | |
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It would really be interesting to see how it would pan out |
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2009-08-13, 18:30 | Link #493 |
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"embarrassed" is not the word i would choose for it
"misplaced feelings of guilt" are more likely (if she does feel anything about not believing in him) and its not just that she didnt tell kallen about it its that she didnt stop him herself
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2009-08-14, 07:53 | Link #494 |
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Actually, i think that a meeting between them would be like a two friends face each other after a long time, they would talk about the good times and everything would end in a pillow fight.
Seriously. I don't think there's any room for animosity in their relationship anymore. It's not like C.C had the chance to tell her and it's not like she should do it, afterall, she was only listening to Lelouch orders. If Kallen wants to blame someone for it, blame Lelouch, hehe. The girls lived together for a long time. I'm sure both of them understood their reasons for doing what they did. So, i'll still stick with the pillow fight... Followed by a kiss. |
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i dont mind watching them fight, as long was we get to watch them make up
speaking of C.C and Kallen does anyone watching spice and wolf get the sense that horo is a combination of both many aspects of her are very C.C (kuudere, hundreds of years old, playful with her partner, etc) but when she gets emotional and blushes she seems alot more like Kallen (and she is voiced by ami-chan) and her love interest is voice by lelouch's VA the last story arc in particular has her ask lawrence "what am i to you" in a way that made me say "this cant be an accident" its almost like they decided "some people like C.C some people like kallen, lets make a character that is both to please both sides"
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2009-08-14, 13:45 | Link #496 | |
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As for the rest, I haven't seen Spice and Wolf so I can't comment. |
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2009-08-14, 17:23 | Link #497 | |
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(Admittably the whole thing where the VA for Horo and Lawrence are Kallen's and Lelouch's repectively makes the similarities more striking. And the 'what am I to you' conversation came off as what Kallen and Lelouch might have said: "I can't express it in words." It's both sweet and trite at the same time.) youngde, signing off.
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2009-08-16, 17:24 | Link #498 | |
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Either way, yeah, maybe C.C and Kallen could argue a little if the ever met each other again, but i'm sure it wouldn't be so big, maybe a slap from Kallen and that's it. If Kallen did understand Lelouch in the end, it's impossible for her to hold a grudge against anyone involved in it... |
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2009-08-16, 17:29 | Link #499 |
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the grudge wouldnt be about what they did in Z-R
but rather, "how could C.C who claims to care about lelouch allow him to carry on with his planned suicide" its not really about Z-R, but rather about C.C going along with what lelouch wanted rather then trying to protect him
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