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Thingle · 2007-09-10, 10:02

Haven't been seeing any release in .OGM for quite a while. What happened?

Milvus · 2007-09-10, 10:09

Yep, OGM is pretty dead since it was just a unoffical hack of the ogg container. It's outdated and unsupported.

Now, it's MKV if you want maximum flexibility, or OGV (new official file extension for ogg container with video inside) if you want to only use the codecs endorsed by xiph.org (Vorbis, Flac, Theora...)

emptyeighty · 2007-09-10, 17:06

Why do you care about ogm?

Afira · 2007-09-10, 17:08

What's ogm??

Skyward · 2007-09-10, 18:01

OGM also known as "ogg media" was a hack on the ogg format to support video streams. It was one of the first formats to support multiple audio tracks and soft subtitle tracks. It used to be quite popular among dvd ripping groups because the only other 'real' container at the time (AVI) did not support multiple audio tracks or soft subtitles without some serious hackery.

It gained traction to a point where any respectable fansubber (and many viewers) knew about the format. This can be compared to the mkv container that is prevalent nowadays. However before it could catch on completely; the matroska format was released and OGM's sole developer (gabest, known for development of such utilities as MPC and vsfilter) vanished off the face of the earth.

Since then, mkv has picked up where ogm left off and we have never looked back.

Milvus · 2007-09-10, 19:15

Wasn't OGM created and developed by someone named Tobias ? He and Gabest both somewhat "disappeared", but I don't beleive they're the same person...

For the ones who want the full story about old OGM :
http://xiph.org/container/ogm.html

Skyward · 2007-09-10, 19:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Milvus

Wasn't OGM created and developed by someone named Tobias ? He and Gabest both somewhat "disappeared", but I don't beleive they're the same person...

For the ones who want the full story about old OGM :
http://xiph.org/container/ogm.html

Ah yes, you're right. Tobias was indeed the main developer. My bad.

Medalist · 2007-09-10, 20:20

To sum this thread up:

OGM is no longer needed. There is no general benefit to using it as of now. MKV is just about as good as it gets for now.

I'm sure OGM isn't completely dead

wingdarkness · 2007-09-10, 20:56

OGM used to rule....I miss it ;(

Tobias, lol that sounds like the name of a false God who would invent something like this...

Nicholi · 2007-09-12, 04:02

OGM never ruled. It was a stepping stone at best.

It also died quite quickly.

OGM wasn't developed by Gabest. It was Tobias. He lost interest and the project went to Xiph (the makers of Ogg), but they don't care much about it because it was a simple "hack" of Ogg. So the format halted completely in any form of development, which it didn't have much of even when Tobias was working on it. Likewise it has no specifications/standards/anything about what it should do or where it should be going. Just shoving VfW into Ogg basically. The format was a hackjob made up of the stuff of dreams, thus it died

. Gabest of course made the software to actually play OGMs, but he stopped committing to his svn loooooong after the format was already dead. He's still around, just not coding.

It wasn't the disappearance of Gabest or even Tobias stopping work that did the format in, it was the rise of a format that was infinitely more useful, with plenty of forethought gone into the specs, and also had a decent set of tools. OGM never stood a chance.

Sarugaki · 2007-09-12, 08:33

Open source formats are never dead. They will always be players able to play them.

Milvus · 2007-09-12, 09:06

There is "dead" and "dead". Of course, since a lot of open source software can easily play OGM, we will always be able to play them in the future. But it is now somehow a legacy format : you can read old file, but you don't create new files, or at least you shouldn't.

That what we mean here by "dead format".

2007-09-10, 10:02	Link #1
Thingle Banned Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Imperial Manila, Philippines	is .OGM dead? Haven't been seeing any release in .OGM for quite a while. What happened?

2007-09-10, 20:56	Link #9
wingdarkness Retweet Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: ニュー・オーリンズ、LA	OGM used to rule....I miss it ;( Tobias, lol that sounds like the name of a false God who would invent something like this... __________________ Fly since ↔...

2007-09-12, 04:02	Link #10
Nicholi King of Hosers Join Date: Dec 2005 Age: 41	OGM never ruled. It was a stepping stone at best. It also died quite quickly. OGM wasn't developed by Gabest. It was Tobias. He lost interest and the project went to Xiph (the makers of Ogg), but they don't care much about it because it was a simple "hack" of Ogg. So the format halted completely in any form of development, which it didn't have much of even when Tobias was working on it. Likewise it has no specifications/standards/anything about what it should do or where it should be going. Just shoving VfW into Ogg basically. The format was a hackjob made up of the stuff of dreams, thus it died . Gabest of course made the software to actually play OGMs, but he stopped committing to his svn loooooong after the format was already dead. He's still around, just not coding. It wasn't the disappearance of Gabest or even Tobias stopping work that did the format in, it was the rise of a format that was infinitely more useful, with plenty of forethought gone into the specs, and also had a decent set of tools. OGM never stood a chance. Last edited by Nicholi; 2007-09-12 at 04:16.

2007-09-12, 08:33	Link #11
Sarugaki mangekyo shenanigans Join Date: Dec 2005	Open source formats are never dead. They will always be players able to play them. Last edited by Sarugaki; 2007-09-12 at 10:25.

2007-09-10, 10:09	Link #2
Milvus Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Paris (France) Age: 42	Yep, OGM is pretty dead since it was just a unoffical hack of the ogg container. It's outdated and unsupported. Now, it's MKV if you want maximum flexibility, or OGV (new official file extension for ogg container with video inside) if you want to only use the codecs endorsed by xiph.org (Vorbis, Flac, Theora...)

2007-09-10, 17:06	Link #3
emptyeighty Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006	Why do you care about ogm?

2007-09-10, 17:08	Link #4
Afira Afira Join Date: Sep 2007	What's ogm??

2007-09-10, 18:01	Link #5
Skyward Oblivious Fansubber Join Date: Jul 2007	OGM also known as "ogg media" was a hack on the ogg format to support video streams. It was one of the first formats to support multiple audio tracks and soft subtitle tracks. It used to be quite popular among dvd ripping groups because the only other 'real' container at the time (AVI) did not support multiple audio tracks or soft subtitles without some serious hackery. It gained traction to a point where any respectable fansubber (and many viewers) knew about the format. This can be compared to the mkv container that is prevalent nowadays. However before it could catch on completely; the matroska format was released and OGM's sole developer (gabest, known for development of such utilities as MPC and vsfilter) vanished off the face of the earth. Since then, mkv has picked up where ogm left off and we have never looked back.

2007-09-10, 19:15	Link #6
Milvus Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Paris (France) Age: 42	Wasn't OGM created and developed by someone named Tobias ? He and Gabest both somewhat "disappeared", but I don't beleive they're the same person... For the ones who want the full story about old OGM : http://xiph.org/container/ogm.html

2007-09-10, 20:20	Link #8
Medalist Infie Fansubber Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Texas	To sum this thread up: OGM is no longer needed. There is no general benefit to using it as of now. MKV is just about as good as it gets for now. I'm sure OGM isn't completely dead

2007-09-12, 09:06	Link #12
Milvus Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Paris (France) Age: 42	There is "dead" and "dead". Of course, since a lot of open source software can easily play OGM, we will always be able to play them in the future. But it is now somehow a legacy format : you can read old file, but you don't create new files, or at least you shouldn't. That what we mean here by "dead format".