Densetsu no Yuusha no Densetsu [Light Novel]

[Defade]

Originally Posted by jbowman0

thank you for the response much appreciated.

Spoiler:

will ryner be going full berserk mode again in the anime of the 1st novel series?

Spoiler:

No, I don't think so. Mentally, he's grown strong enough to resist it. I haven't read all of the sequels yet, but I believe that ep 9 was his last 'full berserk' mode.

[jbowman0]

Originally Posted by Defade

Spoiler:

No, I don't think so. Mentally, he's grown strong enough to resist it. I haven't read all of the sequels yet, but I believe that ep 9 was his last 'full berserk' mode.

tyvm i appreciate all that info. if you think of anymore do tell. im under withdrawal till friday

[larethian]

Originally Posted by rrw

anybody have list of heroic weapons?

Spoiler for relics list:

Relic (Owner)
1. Ailuchrono's Scythe (Kuu Orla)
2. Elemio's Comb (Sui Orla; destroyed)
3. Dolueri's Swordscale (Miran Froaude)
4. Ring of the Dark Emperor (Miran Froaude)
5. Ring of the Lightning Beasts (Lir Orla)
6. Glouvil (Refal Edia)
7. Spunkial (Lir Orla)
8. Rachel's Thread (Luke Stokkart)
9. Dragon's Dimension (Sil)
10. Remains of Menos (Zoora Rom)
11. Shipuamus (?)
12. Eruamus (?)
13. Yuuros Eruma (Voice)
14. Derunio x4 (Voice)

[Defade]

Originally Posted by azziz

wasn't the purpose to underline the similarity between ryner and the lonely demon?
(the Ld with godess of fate? and ryner whis...his harem?and of course there's also mad hero-ld and sion-ryner)
what i don't get is the differance between lucile'half and ryner other half:does the have opposite self-will?

Spoiler:

Ryner Reed uses 'boku' (and so does Eris Reed, actually) when he meets Ryner in vol6, so I'm buying into the theory that the speaker in the prologue is probably Ryner Eris Reed.

Eris Reed does have self-will, and seems to be a bit more...insane than Ryner Reed?(he also looks exactly like Lucile...though by that point, Eris was 99% devoured already, so his image might be influenced by Lucile's appearance) The latter was a pretty nice guy in the small time we knew him, but Eris Reed has lines like

Spoiler for From shinyuuden vol5:

<<You're already consumed with madness. You will have nothing to worry about, and will sleep with your sister with no fuss. You will try to leave behind descendants. You will harbor no doubts or hesitance. Your father, mother...they resisted at first...but they ended up like that. And they were happy, were they not? Your family can only find happiness by becoming a tool of my power. A useless tool is a sad existence.>>

and

<<Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha>> that covers three lines.

But also

Spoiler for Lucile & Eris conversation:

"And all of a sudden, Ryner was separated from me...I can't protect Asruld like this...what are you going to do after you devour me?"

"I'll save my sister."

"Just for that..."

"She's everything to me."

"..."

"Everything."

"I see...that's right. I wanted to help Asruld for the same exact reason, didn't I?"

"...."

"Everyone's gone mad anyways. They cannot bear solitude. They cannot bear loneliness, and seek love. And this is how it ends, huh."

"..."

"Alright. I'll let you devour me. But if you did that, then you'd never be able to stop...are you fine with that?"

"..."

"Devour me. Then I can be released from this cursed cycle. You will be the one to inherit it. You will be the one to save Asruld; you will bear all responsibility."

He said.

Lucile could not understand the meaning behind the demon's words, after all.

But he knew that he didn't have a choice to begin with.

Because nothing is going to end unless he devours the demon.

Because the darkness that falls upon his sister won't disappear.

That's why he devoured the demon.

The demon did not resist.

He merely looked on with a sad expression,

"..."

And gazed at Lucile with pity in his eyes.

His last words were,

"I hope...that you'll find happiness."

So yeah, I can't figure him out that well.

[azziz]

thank,it help a lot,anywaiy;so lucille'parent weren't such bastard by their fault,like the last king of roland?

[Used Can]

Originally Posted by Defade

You thinking of what happens to Nelpha? That was pretty bad.

Not only that, but I was meaning some of the other shit Sion has done. Even if you were to say the people he used in his experiments were criminals or "bad" people doesn't make him much better than Riphal, in my opinion.

Either way, I wouldn't call Sion and Riphal bad people, since it is obvious they are doing what they've done for what they believe will be the greater good. In addition, they are aware of the atrocities they have committed. However, as some other people have mentioned in this thread already, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Even Ryner is sort of guilty of this - although, I wouldn't really compare them to the other two. However, his good intentions, naivety and own monster complex have caused some bad things to happen.

[jbowman0]

@ larethian (or anyone with access to the novels)

Spoiler:

any chance you could put up the images before, during and afterwards of the climatic events of volumes 3 and 6?

[Zaresh]

Reading last chapter in translating status on Baka Tsuki.

That was funny, I loled.

You're doing well lareth. Your translation is very good, very natural, fluid. I really like it, and it makes the novels likeable.

[SoFarGone]

Does Ryner lose his arms and eyes next episode or two? Or is this a different event?

[jbowman0]

Originally Posted by SoFarGone

Does Ryner lose his arms and eyes next episode or two? Or is this a different event?

Spoiler:

ryner loses his arms and AS and awakens his SOAE in the process in volume 6 in the sequel to the first novel series. Still dont know whether the sequel will get animated or not but larethian is translating it for us.

also for people with more knowledge of the sequel.

Spoiler for :

When ryner awakens his SOAE does "ryner" himself die from losing his AS? and is the current "ryner" the lonely hero/demon himself? love to hear more on this situation

[Defade]

Originally Posted by jbowman0

Spoiler:

ryner loses his arms and AS and awakens his SOAE in the process in volume 6 in the sequel to the first novel series. Still dont know whether the sequel will get animated or not but larethian is translating it for us.

also for people with more knowledge of the sequel.

Spoiler for :

When ryner awakens his SOAE does "ryner" himself die from losing his AS? and is the current "ryner" the lonely hero/demon himself? love to hear more on this situation

Spoiler:

I don't think Ryner dies, even for a moment, because the hero relic that heals wounds only works on a living person, and it never stopped working for Ryner. Ryner Reed also told him that he isn't dead yet, and gave himself up to be devoured. The new Ryner is like a fusion between Ryner and RR.

[pampz21]

is Ryner Reed the name of the Lonely portion and Eris Reed for the demon portion?

[Defade]

Originally Posted by pampz21

is Ryner Reed the name of the Lonely portion and Eris Reed for the demon portion?

Yes. Ryner Eris Reed = Lonely Demon(or more accurately, the demon who hates loneliness/craves companionship). Separated, they're Ryner Reed and Eris Reed.

Reed might not be the official spelling though, I guess riido could be spelled as Lied instead?

[Used Can]

Originally Posted by Defade

Spoiler:

The new Ryner is like a fusion between Ryner and RR.

Not as much as Lucile, though.　Lucile went completely mad, whereas Ryner remains the same.

I think it'd be fun to see one of them devour the powers of the other.

[Defade]

Originally Posted by Used Can

Not as much as Lucile, though.　Lucile went completely mad, whereas Ryner remains the same.

I think it'd be fun to see one of them devour the powers of the other.

Yeah, but didn't Lucile eat 1000 demons as well? That couldn't have helped his sanity. The factors that led Lucile and Ryner to devour the two demons were just way too different, I wouldn't be surprised if Lucile went mad because of the procedures involved.

I'd love to see Ryner Eris Reed completed once just to get an idea of his hax, and how the two halves actually function as a whole. Because from the way Eris is speaking, it sounds like Ryner Reed and Eris Reed were somehow two beings even before they're physically separated.

[Used Can]

Originally Posted by Defade

Yeah, but didn't Lucile eat 1000 demons as well? That couldn't have helped his sanity. The factors that led Lucile and Ryner to devour the two demons were just way too different, I wouldn't be surprised if Lucile went mad because of the procedures involved.

Yeah, but I cannot remember if Lucile made those pacts at the moment he ate Eris. Because, by that point, he was already fucked up in the head.

Originally Posted by Defade

I'd love to see Ryner Eris Reed completed once just to get an idea of his hax, and how the two halves actually function as a whole. Because from the way Eris is speaking, it sounds like Ryner Reed and Eris Reed were somehow two beings even before they're physically separated.

I always thought they are different aspects of the same being.

What'd I like to see is Ryner losing some of his sanity, because even though he's had his depression going on for ages already, that's nothing compared to how cool it'd be if he actually started showing a bloodthirsty side. But well, I probably wouldn't want that, since that'd probably make Ferris use the God Devourer on her sword to set Ryner straight again, and she'd have to die for that and I do not want that.

I guess just want many things to go awry, starting with Sion. Hell, there are no words to express how much I dislike him. I really want to see him go beyond the point of redemption (in Ryner's eyes, this is). But well, the storytelling has made it (tacitly) clear nothing like that will happen.

Either way, I wonder what a being with both "The Solver of all Equations" and "The Compiler of all Equations" would be like.

[Defade]

Originally Posted by Used Can

Yeah, but I cannot remember if Lucile made those pacts at the moment he ate Eris. Because, by that point, he was already fucked up in the head.


I always thought they are different aspects of the same being.

What'd I like to see is Ryner losing some of his sanity, because even though he's had his depression going on for ages already, that's nothing compared to how cool it'd be if he actually started showing a bloodthirsty side. But well, I probably wouldn't want that, since that'd probably make Ferris use the God Devourer on her sword to set Ryner straight again, and she'd have to die for that and I do not want that.

I guess just want many things to go awry, starting with Sion. Hell, there are no words to express how much I dislike him. I really want to see him go beyond the point of redemption (in Ryner's eyes, this is). But well, the storytelling has made it (tacitly) clear nothing like that will happen.

Either way, I wonder what a being with both "The Solver of all Equations" and "The Compiler of all Equations" would be like.

Shinyuuden vol.5 made it sound like he was gradually consuming other demons in the few years it took for him to completely devour Eris, but devouring Eris' soul was definitely the point of no return in terms of his sanity. I guess his insanity could partially stem from the conflict between his own wishes and Eris' wishes, because even though Eris willingly gave himself up to be devoured, Lucile still inherited Eris's loneliness, hunger and love for the hero. At the same time, Lucile himself only wishes to protect Ferris, and has to consciously suppress the demon's will.

However, Ryner's wishes were concordant with the demon's to begin with(and someone theorized that it made him closer to the essence of Ryner Eris Reed...or something along the lines of that), so I guess he was more...at peace? Compared to Lucile.

I haven't read about it yet, but apparently it's stated/implied that Ryner Eris Reed at his full power is leagues above Milk in Goddess mode, who pretty much OHKO'd Lucile. I think that places him at Author Weight.

[Used Can]

Originally Posted by Defade

Shinyuuden vol.5 made it sound like he was gradually consuming other demons in the few years it took for him to completely devour Eris, but devouring Eris' soul was definitely the point of no return in terms of his sanity. I guess his insanity could partially stem from the conflict between his own wishes and Eris' wishes, because even though Eris willingly gave himself up to be devoured, Lucile still inherited Eris's loneliness, hunger and love for the hero. At the same time, Lucile himself only wishes to protect Ferris, and has to consciously suppress the demon's will.

I wonder if him eating the other demons had anything to do with his insanity, though. Just look at Sion, I'm sure he hasn't devoured any demons, yet the mad black hero's own insanity is what is driving Sion gradually into insanity.

Either way, now that you mention the love towards the mad hero, I tend to wonder what sort of love. They've used 愛 for it. So, I wonder if he's gay. But well, he's not human. So, these definitions probably do not work on him.

Originally Posted by Defade

However, Ryner's wishes were concordant with the demon's to begin with(and someone theorized that it made him closer to the essence of Ryner Eris Reed...or something along the lines of that), so I guess he was more...at peace? Compared to Lucile.

Are Ryner's wishes indeed similar to Ryner Reed's? I could understand their feelings of loneliness are very similar, but I don't think Ryner has ever had that desire for destruction that Ryner Reed has.

Originally Posted by Defade

I haven't read about it yet, but apparently it's stated/implied that Ryner Eris Reed at his full power is leagues above Milk in Goddess mode, who pretty much OHKO'd Lucile. I think that places him at Author Weight.

Fucking Beyonders!
But, either way, Ryner Eris Reed is an existence which not even the major beings know about. So, my guess is that he'd be definitely Beyonder level.

[Defade]

Originally Posted by Used Can

I wonder if him eating the other demons had anything to do with his insanity, though. Just look at Sion, I'm sure he hasn't devoured any demons, yet the mad black hero's own insanity is what is driving Sion gradually into insanity.

Either way, now that you mention the love towards the mad hero, I tend to wonder what sort of love. They've used 愛 for it. So, I wonder if he's gay. But well, he's not human. So, these definitions probably do not work on him.


Are Ryner's wishes indeed similar to Ryner Reed's? I could understand their feelings of loneliness are very similar, but I don't think Ryner has ever had that desire for destruction that Ryner Reed has.


Fucking Beyonders!
But, either way, Ryner Eris Reed is an existence which not even the major beings know about. So, my guess is that he'd be definitely Beyonder level.

Riura's reaction at Lucile's confession that he devoured 1000 demons seem to imply that they definitely influenced his insanity at some level. I guess the hero is just especially insane, huh...

I've sorta wondered about that too...the level of devotion Ryner Eris Reed holds for the hero just doesn't seem like normal love. There's this part in shinyuuden where Eris expresses that he 'tried so hard to keep the world intact, until his beloved hero could stand on his own feet' that almost made it sound like parental love...x_x

I was referring to both of their desires to save the Asruld/Sion, since Ryner's words that concluded his merger with Ryner Reed was <<I am...a demon who abandoned his own sanity to save Sion...>>, while Lucile is just being siscon against Eris'...bromance? lol Where was it mentioned that Ryner Reed had destructive tendencies? I must've missed it. orz

[Used Can]

Originally Posted by Defade

I was referring to both of their desires to save the Asruld/Sion, since Ryner's words that concluded his merger with Ryner Reed was <<I am...a demon who abandoned his own sanity to save Sion...>>, while Lucile is just being siscon against Eris'...bromance?

Ahh... that. Then I guess you're right. Anyway... Hahaha... Sion end. Poor Ferris.

Originally Posted by Defade

lol Where was it mentioned that Ryner Reed had destructive tendencies? I must've missed it. orz

I haven't read much about Kuro, but I've always got the impression Ryner Reed had destructive tendencies, considering Ryner's usual line when he went Berserk. No, in fact, even the 2 times when Ryner entered the world of Ryner Reed (Denyuuden 10 and Dai Denyuuden 6), he displayed a desire to destroy, in my opinion.