2010-06-29, 23:07 | Link #12221 | |
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You say that Kyrie and Asumu knew each other for six years before Battler's birth. I explain how it is still possible for Asumu to be Beatrice-2 even if that is true.
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2010-06-29, 23:18 | Link #12222 |
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Sorry Jan, but I just reread that scene where she talks about the 18 years of suffering and I'm going to have to agree with Kaisos. During the talk about 18 years, she also mentions that she sees Asumu in Battler every time she sees him and further goes to say that shes going to suffer for all eternity.
edit: exact text here: "...I don't blame Rudolf-san. That woman used her body as a weapon to seduce him...[blahblah] And every time I look at Battler-kun,...I think that if only my own child had been born, he would be the same age. I am still jealous of her, tormented by her. Even now, and from now on. In the future, for all of eternity...[blahblah] How could you understand the madness of a woman whose man was stolen from her, and who has burned with envy for 18 years...!!" Basically, how could her suffering have ended after 18 years if it STILL hasn't ended? Last edited by delita-umw-; 2010-06-29 at 23:29. |
2010-06-29, 23:26 | Link #12223 | |
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2010-06-29, 23:28 | Link #12224 | ||
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私は幸運よ。@その地獄が18年で終わったから and this is what Rosa said Quote:
while in despair, she still supported Rudolf, patiently and meekly waiting for a miracle.
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2010-06-29, 23:37 | Link #12228 | |
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Unless ryuukishi messed up something... there's really not many way around this. anyway according to my previous calculations Rudolf's birthday must be between 1940 and 1950
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2010-06-29, 23:44 | Link #12229 | |
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There may well be some other piece of the puzzle on Kyrie's end that makes it all match. I wouldn't declare the theory dead just yet, the "Faaall faall" fits too well.
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2010-06-29, 23:53 | Link #12230 |
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It doesn't really matter what age Rosa was at that time, she didn't witness it anyway. It is quite obvious that Rosa only knows what Kyrie told her.
and in fact what Rosa says is consistent with what Kyrie says. The reason I quote Rosa is to avoid speculations on some other obscure reasons for Kyrie's hell to have lasted 18 years. Like for example: "kyrie is the killer so she knows everyone will die and therefore her hell ends now". Such theories won't work because she wouldn't certainly tell Rosa such a thing. If Rosa believes that Kyrie's hell lasted 18 years and that it started from the time she lost Rudolf till the time she married him, it means that this story is consistent with facts. Rosa isn't stupid she's able to do 2+2 and notice that something is amiss if Rudolf couldn't have met and date Asumu in1962.
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2010-06-29, 23:58 | Link #12231 |
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Actually Rosa and Kyrie should have a pretty good relationship from what they say to each other in the question arcs. She might have told her about it. Their relationship is one of the possible reasons for why the Kyrosa sprite error happened in EP5. See my sig.
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2010-06-30, 00:01 | Link #12232 |
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When do you think Kyrie first actually met Asumu, then?
Because there's another possibility that remains. The Asumu identity needs to have come from somewhere, well, why not a real Asumu that Rudolf really knew? EDIT: And incidentally... 1962-1963 is also the birth date range for ...George.
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2010-06-30, 00:18 | Link #12233 | |
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There isn't much I can do with that time scale. Interesting how you can relate Ange and George's births to the same event though. And how it can come to 19. Well if it's a hint that George and Ange are connected somehow both of them were bullied as kids and have at least some interest in the occult. George may have gotten interested for a different reason though. I can speculate that they had the same kind of life.
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2010-06-30, 00:39 | Link #12234 | |
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Ange's interest in the occult isn't even as much as the occult as it is in Maria and her magical world. |
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2010-06-30, 02:41 | Link #12235 |
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No that's not true. It's somewhere in episode 2 or 3. He talks about the scorpion charm like he knew about it all along (Klyon99 was like How F@$& does he know? when he saw that). And when Maria talks about the occult in the chapel he gives some info that impresses Battler and implies he has his own sources about it. That and I don't think he'd mention in his own narration that westerners don't cremate bodies so they could be revived in 3 days if he didn't have some kind of general knowledge about the occult and western culture.
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Then he backs up what Maria said that the scorpion was meant to ward off magic. Not to mention earlier he backs up Shannon's story about Beatrice. There was more too, all in one scene at the beginning of the story. Maybe he was being nice, but as Judoh and others have noted he keeps spouting off more magic knowledge later in the series... so... Quote:
If that theme does hold, are there things about people we haven't seen yet that indicates that pattern continues? Like.. George? (He seems to be our favorite new guy to pick on now... :3 ) |
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2010-06-30, 05:14 | Link #12238 | |
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But I'm pretty sure that a reasonable interpretation has to be possible where nothing stops Asumu[trice] from appearing out of the blue and Kyrie still thinking about her 18 years of hell. After all, if Natsuhi is allowed a false memory, why isn't Kyrie?
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2010-06-30, 06:14 | Link #12239 |
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By the way - just found a TIP about split personalities in the first Higurashi game. According to it, split personalities are a "way of escape" often caused by child abuse, although genes also input. So... split personalities wouldn't be completely impossible in Umineko.
As for the family affairs... I'm beginning to think an archivist did the killings since they would be far easier than actually making a family tree. |
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