2012-07-23, 15:55 | Link #1321 | |
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If a positive generalization is valid than so too is a negative one. Seeing all groups as being composed of individuals with a wide distribution of characteristics (of course leaving room for some variation and overlap) solves the issue in the cleanest manner possible. If on the other hand we take the collectivist approach, we are really no better than Yui who assumes that just because he is half Japanese, Yuuya should be attuned to "the Japanese mind" and chides him for not being. An individualist approach might say that due to his own unique circumstances, he should not be expected to conform to to any convention just because of his heritage. |
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2012-07-23, 15:58 | Link #1323 |
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i somehow hate how they over exaggerate american racism
if one wants to be american one can be american not you or me or anyone else can say anything bout it yeah he has japaneses roots but that does not make him japanese since A he was born in america B he was raised in america C HE WANTS/IS an american citizen but somehow i hate yuuya for being himself since why not accept his japanese blood and be done with it and then from that point try to be a better person in an american way i mean yeah sure he has japanese blood but what is stopping him being an american? his hair? physique? blood relations? Prejudice of people? all i say to those are BULLSH*T You are what you are and you make your self what you are gonig to be in the future |
2012-07-23, 16:00 | Link #1324 |
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No, you misunderstood me (or maybe I phrased it wrong?). Yui said that the simulation provides information about enemy numbers, abilities, and actions in advance. She's implying that in actual combat you don't have that advantage.
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2012-07-23, 16:04 | Link #1325 | |
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2012-07-23, 16:07 | Link #1326 |
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Maybe I wasn't clear or something.
Yuuya IS American. However he's also racially Japanese (that's what I mean by roots so I don't know what you mean by bullshit). If he wasn't, he would not have been bullied as a child for being part Japanese. Are you telling me he's not Japanese and 100% American? Now that's bull. He is mentally 100% American but racially he's not. He should just accept that racially he's part Japanese but he's 100% American and be done with that. The problem with Yuuya is he's not accepting the fact that he's part Japanese. It's like you hate your hand just because it's does not function well and you decide to say "I don't have a hand". Ok that might be a bad analogy but can't think of a better analogy. I'm also an Asian American. I was born and raised as an American so I identify myself as an American 100%. But racially I'm Asian. People also see me as an Asian first and then an American. So I just accept that I'm Asian because that's what I really am BUT I am also an American 100% in mind. What Yuuya seems to be doing is discarding everything about himself being part Japanese. He's discarding his very own self as person. You cannot discard yourself. You are what you are. He's an Japanese-American. He is pretty much currently having something of an identity crisis. He does not want to accept his Japanese side of him. The part that makes him who he is.
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2012-07-23, 16:10 | Link #1327 |
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I take the difference in handling regarding the tsf as manual and automatic driving in regular cars, sure, an automatic car is easier to drive , but standar/manual driving gives you more options; an yuuya is a test pilot so he has to learn manual drive so he can test japanese tsfs as well.
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2012-07-23, 16:14 | Link #1328 | |
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2012-07-23, 16:16 | Link #1329 | |
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agree with this reasoning and yuuya is acting like a freaking child at that |
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2012-07-23, 16:18 | Link #1330 | ||
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2012-07-23, 16:23 | Link #1331 | ||
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2012-07-23, 16:29 | Link #1332 |
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Well, there's a clear difference between the brutality of the BETA in Episode 1 and 2 while in the simulation they didn't seem as threatening and moved pretty slowly even when Yuuya was surrounded. The BETA from the first 2 episodes would have tore him apart once he was surrounded and were shown to be able to run fast for a few seconds.
Like the BETA that quickly cuts that one girls TSF in half in seconds before anyone could act or see it coming. So I doubt that Simulation is 100% accurate and seemed to be handicapping itself which makes sense since Yuuya was put in a mecha he has no idea how to pilot correctly. |
2012-07-23, 16:31 | Link #1333 | |
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Spoiler for example of mix blood between British Father and Japanese Mother:
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2012-07-23, 16:34 | Link #1334 |
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Well, most Americans are mixed blood. What's Yuuya's issue is that he was raised to hate the Japanese by his surroundings and he looks and is associated as Japanese thus suffered for it. Thus he hates himself most of all, he's just venting on Yui because she's full Japanese and nothing he does can make him hate himself more for being part Japanese so Yui is his outlet since meeting her.
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2012-07-23, 16:37 | Link #1335 | |
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2010 Census states 2.9% self-reported in the US. Not the majority by a long shot. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiracial_American
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2012-07-23, 16:37 | Link #1336 | |
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Moreover the way he spoke to her in front the squad ? that was some nice baiting at a superior, you snark at your superior (or anyone), you will not get much sympathies from me if you are not able to take what they will hurl back at you. |
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2012-07-23, 16:50 | Link #1337 | |
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he is acting like a freaknig child over that fact thet he is somewhat in a racist mood I all this trouble over being just half japanese ueah sure childhood bullying and stuff but thats all in the past but meh as we all know child hood trauma or stuff cant be forgotten easily but the haughty bitch did not do some OVERLY exaggerated racist remark or maybe to me that is not racist but something along the line of plain insulting because he is complaining stuff like a child unlike japanese TSF pilots who trained with that TSF never did complain since japan is on the front line and the way he talks to his superiors its like some EGOistic S.O.B. i mean if i was that superior i would INSULT him even more and even during the briefing in ep 2 was it? he was already annoyed and calling her a Japaneses Doll then again it might be just me |
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2012-07-23, 16:51 | Link #1338 | |
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Yuuya: A practice unit? Yui: Correct. Until the Shiranui is operational, you will be piloting a Fubuki Type 97 practice TSF. *Yuuya looks displeased Yuuya to himself: Did this women even looked at my records? Yui: You look disatsified. Yuuya: I have not been given enough information to be disatisfied. Yui: Tell me, is your attitude related to the project? Yuuya: No Liutenance (said in a somewhat rude manner). Yui: Is the problem with me? Yuuya: Not at all (said in a rude manner again. Just look at how he acts why answering her questions.) Yui: Let me tell you something. Your unpleasant attitude is disruptive. If you don't have a reason for it. Fix it. Yuuya: Is that an order Liutenance? Or is it merely an order to satisfy a personal desire. Yui: Whichever you prefer. But fix it. Yuuya: I will try but I can't promise you. Yui: According to the records, you're a second-generation Japanese. *Yuuya looks upset Yui: As a fellow member of the same race, Your haughty attitude is upsetting and an embarassedment to the Japanese. Yuuya to himself: How dare she... Yui: Make sure you read the manual for the Fubuki and understand it. His friend even told him that it's not a bad idea to start to understand the Japanese mindset to be able to pilot the TSF. However since he's currently having issues with his own Japanese side, he was not willing to learn how they think so that he could pilot the TSF efficiently unlike the other pilots on his team which is why he was slowing down the other pilots during the simulation battle. Which leads into: Yui: You're not used to the machine so you could not keep your Fubuki under control. That's partly forgivable. However you could have slowly descent in circle instead of barging straight in. (She said it in a very nice tone and manner. She wasn't mocking him either. Just giving him advice). Yuuya: I'm sorry Lieutenant but this TSF is a piece of junk. (He said in a cocky arrogant manner) Yuuya: *goes on to explain the problem with the machine which all makes sense considering the different purpose of the machine. Yui: However this machine is no harder to control than any of the other Imperial TSF. Yuuya: I find that hard to believe. (shows his cocky smile again) Yui: *goes on about how other soldiers can easily use it. That means you're less inept than an Imperial trainee. You lack talent. *Yuuya was shocked and upset. In the first scene, he clearly starts the fight with Yui which after repeatedly offending her with his behavior, she said what she said. He was clearly upset about that incident and then took the incident to heart and acted badly again during the second scene in the episode. The whole time Yui never really displayed much emotions but it was clear she's offended by Yuuya. It was also clear at how rude he was since that's what the episode was trying to show by zooming onto his smiling face and how he answered to Yui questions. Just tell me. If a superior officer is asking you questions, is that how you respond to them? Rudely and acting rudely with your arms and flailing your arms about? While at the same time smirking and what not?
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2012-07-23, 16:53 | Link #1339 |
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Bottom line, they're both acting like jackasses. Yuuya's anti-Japanese racism rooted in his own self-loathing is causing him to strut around and posture like an arrogant child in front of Yui rather than showing her the respect due a superior officer or dealing realistically with the problems he's having adjusting to the equipment. And Yui's contempt for Yuuya rooted in her own past war experience and her own pro-Japanese racism is causing her to deliberately treat him with scorn instead of valuing his abilities or cutting him any slack for problems that are not his fault.*
*Not being able to properly pilot a TSF he'd never trained in the style of, and being trapped by the Russians when he was an invited guest of one of their pilots (and frankly, probably didn't even realize he was going into Russian territory). Basically, someone needs to whack them both upside the head with a tuna.
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2012-07-23, 16:54 | Link #1340 |
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Tl;dr Yuuya and Yui are both being asses to each other.
Imagine what would happen if a white officer said to Yuuya, "You're an embarrassment to white people." But because it's Yui she slides. I think it's quite obvious at this point that neither of them are keen on being in Alaska. Yui wants to kill BETA. Yuuya wants to gonback to Groom Lake. And I czn sympathise withh his relative lack of combat skill; he's a goddamned test pilot, he job is to push the envelope and check to make sure everything's working as it's supposed to. Also, while he does have a bit of an attitude, it's not that different from your average fighter jock. Also, Yui seems to have taken a level in jerkass. She seems to relish cutting down Yuuya at every turn, even when he raises legitimate issues with the Fubuki. I have to wonder how much of the problems she's having with Yuuya are the result of them getting off on the wrong foot. Maybe if she hadn't been such a hardass...
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