Maybe thats why I was able to see the first episode of the ova sometime around october of last year on youtube. It was probably taken from the PN. Never knew that was possible.
If that guy is Lelouch, I think they forgot WHAT happened between R1 and R2.
It's called retcon. Also, considering the circumstances of Lelouch's mindf*ck by Charles it can be easily pulled off.
What happened in R2 - Lelouch spent 1 yr with Rolo.
What can be retconned because of the OVA - Lelouch spent hypothetically, lets say 6 mths with Rolo & had the other 6 mths of memories implanted.
That gives Lelouch 6 mths "wiggle room" to make an appearance in separate media.
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"When there is evil in this world that justice cannot defeat, would you taint your hands with evil to defeat evil? Or would you remain steadfast and righteous even if it means surrendering to evil?" - Lelouch vi Britannia as Zero.
Maybe thats why I was able to see the first episode of the ova sometime around october of last year on youtube. It was probably taken from the PN. Never knew that was possible.
No problem here. Xamd was ripped off the PSN, Gundam Unicorn too
It's called retcon. Also, considering the circumstances of Lelouch's mindf*ck by Charles it can be easily pulled off.
What happened in R2 - Lelouch spent 1 yr with Rolo.
What can be retconned because of the OVA - Lelouch spent hypothetically, lets say 6 mths with Rolo & had the other 6 mths of memories implanted.
That gives Lelouch 6 mths "wiggle room" to make an appearance in separate media.
There's the detail the black knights, (kallen, c.c and other people) always kept lelouch under surveillance for the entire year (taking pictures of him).
In my opinion they just make a cameo for the fans, ignoring the old series.
There's the detail the black knights, (kallen, c.c and other people) always kept lelouch under surveillance for the entire year (taking pictures of him).
I don't think they ever gave a date or a specific period of time for that.
All you have to do is reduce the length to match whatever time this takes.
At least he's spending some time in a more interesting way than playing around with Rolo, provided this is actually the same character and not someone else entirely.
That said, he's only like the 10th or 12th thing on my mind when it comes to this particular Code Geass project though. It's not a make-or-break deal for me.
PS: Did anyone notice there's two people who have already rated this episode? Color me surprised.
There's the detail the black knights, (kallen, c.c and other people) always kept lelouch under surveillance for the entire year (taking pictures of him).
In my opinion they just make a cameo for the fans, ignoring the old series.
Again, this can be also be retconned. What's stopping the Black Knights from observing Lelouch even though he was being manipulated? Through C.C., Kallen would have knowledge about geass + Kallen also witnessed Lelouch's geass in the season 1 finale. So him being controlled would be believable for her.
Supposing the reason why they (Black Knights) chose to attack the tower in R2 ep 1 is because this was their first real chance to get to Lelouch. If he really spent the entire year with Rolo, what was stopping them from getting him back?
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"When there is evil in this world that justice cannot defeat, would you taint your hands with evil to defeat evil? Or would you remain steadfast and righteous even if it means surrendering to evil?" - Lelouch vi Britannia as Zero.
I just feel; well, It's not like I hold R2, especially its godawful cliffhanger fakeout beginning, as Sacrosanct, but I think having him involved, if he is really involved, with Akito to be both contrived and also depriving Akito of the ability to be more standalone.
The thing with Code Geass AtE is that Lelouch was bound to appear at some point. I just didn't expect him to appear in this way. (Considering if that even is Lelouch).
He would eventually cross Akito's path:
(1)As Zero, when he was recruiting members for the UFN, he'd possibly meet with Akito's superiors.
(2)As the Emperor, when he began his worldwide war, Akito was bound to clash with his army at some point.
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"When there is evil in this world that justice cannot defeat, would you taint your hands with evil to defeat evil? Or would you remain steadfast and righteous even if it means surrendering to evil?" - Lelouch vi Britannia as Zero.
The Lelouch-clone is Julius Kingsley, which translates to this to me.
Lelouch Double + R2 ending stabbing + Cart Driver that CC is talking to = Epic Fail Sunrise.
At Xander
Told you Xander, that Lelouch (or a clone of him) would be in Akito and that they had to do it or else their DVD/BD sales would be garbage, and they have been for the most part.
Code Geass is Lelouch and Lelouch is Code Geass.
They put too much weight on this character and they really can't kill him if they want to continue the franchise at this point.
It's Okouchi's fault, and I'm through with this series.
Space Battleship Yamato 2199 is far superior to this anime IMHO, as is Gundam Unicorn, so I'm done with Code Geass at this point.
I didn't think he needed to appear. Amuro and Char didn't need to appear in War in the Pocket or The 08th MS Team.
If you want to be completely meticulous about this sort of thing, there's an elephant in the room: Both of them do show up in prominent secondary roles in Zeta Gundam. It's not even really their story anymore but Kamille's, the conflict is separate from the One Year War and the Titans have emerged as the new threat, and yet they do play a high profile part of it. And you know what? I watched that show before the original Mobile Suit and didn't find either of their actions to be intrusive.
For other examples, I believe Amuro shows up in several Gundam Evolve shorts, and you do see both of their respective robots in a couple of MS Igloo episodes.
And for the record, it could be worse. Like in Votoms, where most of the sequels, prequels and side stories are all about Chirico showing up yet again as the sole protagonist despite his entire character arc being properly resolved at the end of the original TV series. He's in Last Red Shoulder, Pailsen Files, Roots of Ambition, Phantom Arc, Shining Heresy, Alone Again. For a long time Armor Hunter Mellowlink was the only exception to this, at least until they made a couple of one-shot OVAs like Irvine and Finder relatively recently.
EDITED: Just noticed the reply above. Oh, what the hell.
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Why are you suprised?
All I had to do was read this at AnimeNewsNetwork and realized that this Code Geass was a steaming pile of feces.
The Lelouch-clone is Julius Kingsley, which translates to this to me.
Lelouch Double + R2 ending stabbing + Cart Driver that CC is talking to = Epic Fail Sunrise.
Curiosity at rating something nobody around here has watched yet. I don't rate anything preemptively.
I don't follow your math above. If anything, it is easier to do something like this when there's a giant one year hole in the time line. It causes the least harm.
This doesn't imply anything about the cart driver at all and there's another tiny little detail: Lelouch is not the point of view character.
I understand not liking an idea, but your reaction strikes me as knee-jerk. Oh, I checked and you did the same for episode one too. Well, shucks.
By the way, you're extremely wrong by assuming that Akito's BD/DVD sales have been garbage.
Or maybe you live in a parallel universe where 30,000 BD/DVD sales are worthless.
EDITED: Just noticed the reply above. Oh, what the hell.
Curiosity at rating something nobody around here has watched yet. I don't rate anything preemptively.
I don't follow your math above. If anything, it is easier to do something like this when there's a giant one year hole in the time line. It causes the least harm.
This doesn't imply anything about the cart driver at all and there's another tiny little detail: Lelouch is not the point of view character.
I understand not liking an idea, but your reaction strikes me as knee-jerk. Oh, I checked and you did the same for episode one too. Well, shucks.
By the way, you're extremely wrong by assuming that Akito's BD/DVD sales have been garbage.
Or maybe you live in a parallel universe where 30,000 BD/DVD sales are worthless.
It's also ironic to see someone who likes Yamato complain about reviving or returning popular characters, when that property did that a few times.
My point, which if you hadn't gotten emotional about this you might have noticed, is that Sunrise can's make a Code Geass without Lelouch.
Period.
Yes, I watched the first episode and the music is annoying as fuck.
The battle scenes don't need a damn horn blaring the whole friggin time its going on and the plot was weak, very weak.
So it deserves a 1 because it was painful to watch.
The preview of the second volume in the animenewsnetwork write up looks equally painful with the introduction of a Lelouch clone.
I have discussed this (over a year ago) with people here already in detail and as I said back then, they can't do Code Geass without Lelouch and that shows how weak the storyline really is.
There is no "alternate universe" about this.
SBY 2199 Volume 1 sold 15,000+ copies in the first WEEK.
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Chapter 1 hit #3 with 15,908 units during its first week, Chapter 2 hit #2 at 19,372 units, and Chapter 3 also reached #2 with 23,852 units. Chapter 4′s blu-ray came in at #3 during its first week with 20,941 in sales.
Code Geass can barely make that after months of being out.
It's a flop.
In Yamato (and Gundam) there wasn't such a stink by the fanbase about characters being alive or dead. Nobody threw a hissy fit if anybody suggested that Admiral Okita might still be alive or that he came back in Final Yamato from a coma.
In Code Geass, so much nonsense was built up over the death of Lelouch that the head writer came out and said he was dead.
Now they're going to put him in as a clone and/or alternate personality?
Give me a break.
The show has become a waste of time at this point because they can't get past Lelouch.
If you want to be completely meticulous about this sort of thing, there's an elephant in the room: Both of them do show up in prominent secondary roles in Zeta Gundam. It's not even really their story anymore but Kamille's, the conflict is separate from the One Year War and the Titans have emerged as the new threat, and yet they do play a high profile part of it. And you know what? I watched that show before the original Mobile Suit and didn't find either of their actions to be intrusive.
For other examples, I believe Amuro shows up in several Gundam Evolve shorts, and you do see both of their respective robots in a couple of MS Igloo episodes.
That's completely and utterly beside the point. Zeta is a sequel series; that's not what Akito is, which is analogous to a side story like War in the Pocket or 08th MS Team, which stand up on their own merits instead of trying to unnecessarily tie back into character or plot threads from 0079. And the thing in IGLOO (which is kinda just a OYW, Zeon Fanboy circlejerk, as much as I personally enjoy it) is no more than a glimpse of the White Devil, it was no more than referencing the Black Knight Rebellion in episode 1, which made since because it was a big deal. But pulling the character into this is another thing entirely.
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My point, which if you hadn't gotten emotional about this you might have noticed, is that Sunrise can's make a Code Geass without Lelouch.
Period.
But it didn't need to be this way. It could've been, and may still be for all I know, a standalone story that holds up on its own merits. It certainly has had a different tone than the series. But to me personally its just a move of base pandering to have him in this, that's just honest opinion.
But yeah, objectively, I like Gundam Unicorn and 2199 a lot more than Geass (Mineva Zabi is what Euphemia should have been like). But I liked episode 1, though not as much as Unicorn or 2199, and felt that it could go a long way towards establishing a broader world of Geass. I hope that feeling wasn't wrong.
My point, which if you hadn't gotten emotional about this you might have noticed, is that Sunrise can's make a Code Geass without Lelouch.
Period.
Instead they can only make Code Geass with a "Lelouch"-type of character who is presented as a villain instead of an anti-hero, who doesn't even show up until two hours into a different story, and where the narrative doesn't revolve around him because he arrives halfway through and the Emperor merely uses him as a weapon for fighting Britannia's war. I don't see that being anywhere near as limiting to the storyline nor as personally insulting as you think.
Not going to discuss most of your opinions about the first episode because I share none of them. But now that the soundtrack is out, it is very amusing to still see people complaining about the use of barely two atypical jazz tracks, simply because said two tracks aren't universally appealing.
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There is no "alternate universe" about this.
SBY 2199 Volume 1 sold 15,000+ copies in the first WEEK.
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Chapter 1 hit #3 with 15,908 units during its first week, Chapter 2 hit #2 at 19,372 units, and Chapter 3 also reached #2 with 23,852 units. Chapter 4′s blu-ray came in at #3 during its first week with 20,941 in sales.
That's 24,507 BDs and 2,818 DVDs in the first WEEK.
To highlight the obvious when comparing first WEEKs, 24,507 is a larger figure than 15,908. It would seem reality disagrees with your assessment of "flop" here.
Ignoring cumulative sales doesn't exactly help your case either, since the industry itself doesn't ignore them.
And to quote your own link: An average of 20,000 may not seem like a lot, but since Japanese blu-rays retail for 3-4 times the cost of an American disc, this represents substantial revenue. But apparently this is a "flop" for something that doesn't even have the same running time as any one chapter of Yamato 2199? Nope!
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In Yamato (and Gundam) there wasn't such a stink by the fanbase about characters being alive or dead.
That's not really true at all. Let me refresh your memory.
Spoiler for Original Yamato and its sequels:
The ending of Farewell to Space Battleship Yamato, which was originally intended to be the final Yamato production, has Yuki dying and the ship itself makes one last suicide run where everyone dies. The end. And what they did do next? They re-made the film as a TV series where that doesn't happen!
If you want to ignore that and look back only to the TV series and how deaths were undone there or later, here's more stuff from that Starblazers site:
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In Yamato, the scene is drawn out a bit longer. We see the table where Yuki’s body lies, completely covered (another indication that she is dead,) and Kodai hesitantly pulls back the sheet. With her actually being dead, it’s surprising that Kodai is able to pick her up. Rigor mortis usually sets in within hours and lasts for days. At one point, realizing he’s lost his chance to tell her he loves her, Kodai falls on his knees and sobs, cradling her in his arms.
While this scene is meant to be touching, a demonstration of Kodai’s (literal) undying love for Yuki, it’s really rather disturbing when you realize he’s carrying the corpse of his would-be girlfriend around the ship. While I disliked the “sleeping gas” change, Star Blazers significantly improved this episode by writing this as a coma instead of death. It certainly makes her coming “resurrection” much more believable.
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We break from the melodrama to Desslok, once again lining up the Argo in his Desslok Cannon sites. The energy beam heads for the Argo. Unable to escape, Sandor hits a switch, and the ship is covered by a milky white film. The beam hits the Argo, only to be reflected right back at Desslok. We get to see a look of horror in his eyes as his ship explodes in a huge fireball. Dessler, like Yuki, is finally, unequivocally dead.
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Avatar looks at Earth before him and digs out his family photo from his jacket. Tears streaming down his face, he gently touches the photo. His last thought is, “The Earth. I’m sorry I won’t see you green again, but I have seen you.” His arm goes limp and the picture floats to the ground. Dr. Sane peeks in, gasps, then opens the door all the way for a better look. Hardly one for military regs, the doctor nevertheless snaps to a salute.
It’s one of the most moving scenes in the whole series. The animation, script, and score all work to create a wonderfully dramatic scene.
We then see a vignette of Avatar’s face before shifting to Nova. In Yamato, I believe this is to answer his earlier question–Okita’s soul is going to revive Yuki. Of course, that doesn’t quite work when you consider the movie Final Yamato.
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This last episode is a very satisfying end to the series, hitting the right emotional chords. It’s ultimately uplifting. Although the Captain has gone, he got his last wish to see the Earth. Derek and Nova can now have a future together on a restored planet. Flaws only arise when viewing Episode 26 in the context of future Yamato in which some dramatic moments are undone. (Star Blazers fans didn’t have long to wait for one of them: Desslok is revealed to be alive in the very next episode.)I can’t think of any other cartoon from my childhood that was played as a straight-up drama, allowing even the death of a major character. While it’s easy for anime purists to grouse about what was changed or edited, it’s amazing to consider what was left in.
Keep in mind I am not criticizing the show, but to say nobody was affected by these deaths, including several eventually undone for whatever reason, is unbelievable.
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The show has become a waste of time at this point because they can't get past Lelouch.
If the laser-target in your mind is set on only caring provided Lelouch never even shows up in a minor role, that is. I am so glad that doesn't happen to me.
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That's completely and utterly beside the point. Zeta is a sequel series; that's not what Akito is, which is analogous to a side story like War in the Pocket or 08th MS Team, which stand up on their own merits instead of trying to unnecessarily tie back into character or plot threads from 0079.
I am of the personal opinion that there isn't some sort of golden rule about what sequels are allowed to do and what side stories aren't.
If you press me, then I can just admit this can be considered an interquel, which makes it both a sequel and a prequel at the same time.
The reason I brought up Zeta is this: it came out long before 0080 and 08th MS Team in production order and was the first official expansion of the Gundam universe.
It's not directly continuing the Zeon vs. Federation war, and I was able to have fun watching that show without knowing anything about the history of Amuro or Char.
Akito the Exiled is the first official expansion of Code Geass and nothing else, since R2 was the 2nd half of the previous story, has been produced before it in animated form.
It's not directly continuing the war for the liberation of Japan, and I have not felt that you need to know much of anything about the history of Lelouch in order to enjoy this.
Whatever the case...I don't think you can say that this is, objectively, deserving of a 1 out of 10 even if you hate the idea of Julius or whoever appearing. Or can you?
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