2005-12-18, 00:17
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Originally posted by Mich666:
__________________________________________________ ___ By Nina: Kokoro no mado no tatsu Sadame no yokogao Tomoshimashou yume wo Matataku negai... Hoshi ga tada hitori Erabe to tsugeru Ai suru hito ga Watashi wo yobeba kawaru That destined face... stands next to the window in my heart. Let's light up my dream; my twinkling dream. The star tells me to choose just one person. Oh, when my beloved person, when they call my name, I'll know it's them. By Arika: Hoshi ni naru kibou Ashita ga mieru Ai suru hito yo matete... Hopes that become the stars. I can see into tommorow. Oh, my beloved, wait for me. Do you think that this song will be closely linked to story such as was It's only the fairytale? Can we find out from it where the story will go in next few episodes? And why do you think Sergay don't want anybody else know that Arika knows it? |
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2005-12-18, 00:19
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Originally posted by Mich666:
__________________________________________________ ___ I've finally found lyrics for DreamWing so here it is ~_^ Dream☆Wing 作詞・曲(Lyrics&Composition)：栗林みな美 (Kuribayashi Minami) 編曲(Arrangement)：飯塚昌明 (Iidzuka Masaaki) 歌(Performance)：栗林みな美 (Kuribayashi Minami) 見つけたの dream ドキドキがとまらない 生まれたの 宝物 胸いっぱいにきらめき始める どうしてこんなに不安になるのかな 抱えきれない思い 涙こぼれるけど。。。 きっといつか辿り漬けるよ つまづいたって諦めない 勇気だして前に進もう 小さな一歩踏み出せば ほらね、新しい私 いつだって smile 力をくれるでしょう 晴れ日も、雨の日も 輝いていたい太陽みたいに もう 俯くのはやめて走りだそう 心の痛みは そう ”大好き” の証ね 忘れないであの日の気持ち 空に向かって祈っていた。。。 私だけの夢の翼がどこかにあるの 捜し出せたなら 未来へ飛べるね その先に待ってるステージへと 私らしく行こう！ ずっと描き続けていたの。。。 story きっといつか辿り漬けるよ つまづいたって諦めない 勇気だして前に進もう 小さな一歩踏み出せば ほらね、新しい私 mitsuketa no dream dokidoki ga tomaranai umaretano takaramono mune ippai ni kirameki hajimeru doushite konna ni fuan ni naru no kana kakae kirenai omoi namida koboreru kedo... kitto itsuka tadori tsukeru yo tsumadzui tatte akiramenai yuuki dashite mae ni susumou chiisana ippo fumi daseba hora ne, atarashii watashi itsu datte smile chikara wo kureru deshou hare no himo, ame no himo kagayaite itai taiyou mitai ni mou utsumuku no wa yamete hashiri dasou kokoro no itami wa sou "daisuki" no akashi ne wasurenaide ano hi no kimochi sora ni mukatte inotte ita... watashi dake no yume no tsubasa ga dokokani aru no sagashideseta nara ashita e toberu ne sono saki ni matteru STAGE e to watashi rashiku yukou! zutto egaki tsudzuke teita no... story kitto itsuka tadori tsukeru yo tsumadzui tatte akiramenai yuuki dashite mae ni susumou chiisana ippo fumi daseba hora ne, atarashii watashi |
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2005-12-18, 09:41
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Originally posted by paTKany
___________________________________________ I can't translate it, but i can type it: 目覚めを待つ国の むかしのはなし ささげましょう胸に 宿るひかり 星になるきぼう あしたが見える 愛するひとよ 待ってておくれ こころの窓に立つ さだめの横顔 ともしましょう夢を 守るひかり 星はただひとり 選べと告げる 愛するひとが わたしを呼べば変わる うるわしく立ち舞う けがれなき羽 背負いましょう御子の 命のひかり 星になるために 生まれてはならぬ 愛するひとに 抱かれてねむれ mezame wo matsu kuni no mukashi no hanashi sasagemashou mune ni yadoru hikari hoshi ni naru kibou ashita ga mieru ai suru hito yo mattete okure kokoro no mado ni tatsu sadame no yokogao tomoshimashou yume wo mamoru hikari hoshi wa tada hitori erabe to tsugeru ai suru hito ga watashi wo yobeba kawaru uruwashiku tachi mau kegarenaki hane seoimashou miko no inochi no hikari hoshi ni naru tame ni umarete wa naranu ai suru hito ni idakarete nemure |
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2005-12-18, 09:43
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Originally posted by Tremalkinger
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"...Hope that becomes the stars; I can see into tomorrow. Oh my beloved, wait for me... That destined face stands next to the window in my heart. Let's light up my dream; my twinkling dream; The star tells me to choose just one person. Oh, when my beloved person calls me name, I'll know its them. These precious times, this untainted light. Let's examine your hands and eyes for the radiance of life. In order to become stars, we are born and educated. We go to sleep held by our loved ones." Remember the order is Arika, Nina, Mashiro. Arika's verse is incomplete, because Sergey walks in on her singing, and cuts her off before the final word. Now, I know there are people who are about a hundred times more proficient in Japanese, and they'd translate this a lot better, but I'm going to take a shot at finishing her verse. Here are the first two lines: "Wait before you wake in the country of stories about ancient times. Let's dedicate our chests to birthing the light." The second line especially is wierd as hell. Sasagemashou means a bunch of things, and any of them could really fit: to lift up; to give; to offer; to consecrate; to devote; to sacrifice; to dedicate. The kanji directly after that, mune, means either chest or breasts. Then we have verb 'to become pregnant', followed by 'light'. Finally, in Episode three, Sergey walks in on her, cutting off her final word 'okure'. It means 'to be late', so I'm going to loosely translate her final line as 'Wait for me, even though I'm late', but I'm not really sure. Well, that's that. Speculate away. Edit: Leave it to Sunrise to put a pun into a lullaby. It could translate to 'dedicate our chests', which makes sense for the 'birth' part, but it could also mean 'lift up our breasts'. Oh Sunrise... |
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2005-12-18, 09:47
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Originally posted by J-Chan
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2005-12-18, 09:49
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Originally posted by Jadewing
__________________________________________________ ______ Which, of course, begs the question: what does Mashiro's verse say? I'll grant you, I probably know the least Japanese of anyone here, but near as I can tell, the title, loosly translated, comes out something like "The Tale the Star Tells" or "What the Star Tells Me" (feel free to correct me on that). What gets me, however, is that each verse follows roughly the same set pattern: the same basic rhythm, tempo, and spacing of words and breaths. Dead in the middle of each singer's part, as the tempo goes from low-high-low-high to high-low-high-low, and as the music changes to accompany it, each one starts that line with 'hoshi', and then the next with 'ai suru hito'. Arika: hoshi ni naru kibou ashita ga mieru Nina: hoshi wa tada hitori erabe to tsugeru Mashiro: hoshi ni naru tame ni umarete wa naranu Arika: ai suru hito yo mattete oku Nina: ai suru hito ga watashi wo yobeba kawaru Mashiro: ai suru hito ni idakarete nemure The question, however, is that given that there -is- a blue star in the series that keeps getting pointed out oh-so-well, is it not possible that the song, the harmonium, and the star are all inter-related? I suppose you could stretch it, and say it mimicks the way the fight "Fairy Tale" described, the underground pillars, and the HiME star all were.... though it seems a passing resemblance at best... Still, if each of the girls are singing about what the Star tells them.... |
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2005-12-18, 17:40
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I have found only this - Hoshi ga Kanageru Monogatari text in kanji:
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heck, one of the latest post to this topic was the most important but I can't find it....  I don't know who posted it but it was very good work - post was in three colors (green, red a black letters) and it was analysis of this song with correction of mistakes that static did in their fansub... Wish I can find it...
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2005-12-19, 21:26
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 Fear not I still have the paper copy *somewhere*. I shall find it tonight, but as this comp doesn't do Japanese, I cannot post until tomorrow. ><; I'll re-write it to the best of my ability, though.  - Kira |
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2005-12-19, 23:16
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2005-12-21, 11:14
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after 15 minutes of listening to this song over and over agin i typed out lyrics, though im not good at spelling things but i will find someone to spell it correctly, a friend of mine is good at it ^^
this are the lyrics of track 1 of the ost Otome no Komoriuta camenta sakia bastiva merter bisare story averta sorta bastiya merter somai dorin amane yaisamiya imertai sommia anetai captida isomeri someri tedi story Last edited by -KarumA-; 2005-12-22 at 10:54. |
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2005-12-25, 23:14
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Okay, so, gotta love IRONY. I say "hey, I'll get it out in a day" and then suddenly discover the rule of "don't swap forums, or you'll get banned for five days quicker than you can say 'what'd I do?'." So now "I'll rewrite it in a day" equals "I'll rewrite it when I have an hour unrestricted access to a comp that can write in Japanese". Spiffy.
Anyway, just thought I'd say sorry for not getting it out when I said I would and Happy Holidays - the translation will be here soon, promise --;;; - Kira |
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2005-12-26, 19:56
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The Translation (Finally)
PLEASE READ THE EDITS, THE THIRD STANZA TRANSLATION HAS CHANGED
So I gave up waiting for a computer and simply installed the damned language pack on this one. So, without further ado, the translation and the tons of paragraphs and comparison to previous translations  目覚めを待つ国の むかしのはなし Wait to wake in the country of legends ささげましょう胸に 宿るひかり Let us raise up the light living in our hearts 星になるきぼう あしたが見える Our aspirations become stars, I can see tomorrow 愛するひとよ 待ってておくれ Oh beloved, please be waiting... こころの窓に立つ さだめの横顔 The destined profile stands at the window of my heart ともしましょう夢を 守るひかり Let's illuminate the light of dreams obeyed 星はただひとり 選べと告げる The star tells me to choose only one 愛するひとが わたしを呼べば変わる When my beloved calls out I will transform うるわしく立ち舞う けがれなき羽 Beautifully stand and dance (with?) untainted wings 背負いましょう御子の 命のひかり (I) will carry the (light of) the life of the emperor's child on my back 星になるために 生まれてはならぬ I must not be born for the sake of becoming a star 愛するひとに 抱かれてねむれ Sleep, embraced by your loved one. The following is an explaination of my word choice and simply in general about my translations here. I'm open to discussion of everything that is not the translation of "mune". This is indisputable with me. Yes the word can mean the physical breast/chest area on a person. It also and more often means the theological heart. In every single shoujo series I've ever seen if the word "mune" is there, it is translated to "heart". Moreover, this is a poem/song which means that it's much more likely for the author to want more than a straight forward meaning. So, everything else is up for discussion, but if you tell me "mune" doesn't mean "heart" I'll ignore you. :P Now, for the reasons and comparisons... To me, this poem clearly represents three different voices. The first stanza is a warning. The second is, well, like a vision. The last is prophecy-esque. These are the feelings envoked by the wording, flow and general feel of each section as well as the people who are singing each part. These interpretations had a lot to do with my word choice. ARIKA'S STANZA The first line is relatively simple. The only confusing/debatable part is which part of the sentence "待つ" and "目覚め" are referring to. The words "国の むかしのはなし" could easilly be read as "the country's legends" except that "の" can not only denote posession but also be translated to "of", so, in this case, "country of legends" fits. The further question, then is whether or not "待つ" which means "to wait" is applied to the country or to waking. Here, thankfully, the decision is made for us thanks to the particle "を" which denotes the direct object "待つ" is supposed to be applied to. Therefore, you have two halves of a sentence: "Wait to wake" and "country of legends". The problem was only that because this is a poem, the connection between the two halves of the line is implied. To me, because of the feeling of warning throughout this stanza, I translated the meaning to "in", as if to say "be careful of waking in a country of legends". The second line has more word choice issues than the first. Originally, it was thought to mean something along the lines of "giving birth" to a feeling literally residing in one's chest. Well, as I've stated before "胸" = heart and I'm not discussing it  . However, there was some further confusion over exactly what meaning was supposed to be applied to "ささげましょう" and "宿る" as both can mean a few things. To figure out the first, I decided to attack the second. "宿る" was originally translated to mean "birth" and while it can be taken to mean that, a more direct translation means "dwelling within", with "に" indirectly associating it with "heart". However, this word was also modifying "ひかり" (light), which means that the entire phrase "dwelling within the heart" is modifying "light". Because of this, the focus of the sentence is the "light". This revealation led to choosing the definition of "to raise up" over "to dedicate" for the word "ささげましょう" as "to raise up" fits more with the theme of light than dedication. These are young women, not paladins XP.Third line was thought to be "...Hope that becomes the stars; I can see into tomorrow." and I only made minor changes to it. Hope became "aspirations" because the definition fit better with the theme of the series. The word means "hopes, aspirations, dreams, etc..." not to have hope. Aspirations was less corny than dreams, so I chose it for elegance and flow :P "I can see into tomorrow" was changed to "I can see tomorrow" because that's literally what it says. I don't see "into" in there, nor any reason to assume that it was implied. EDIT: Fourth Line: Did I mention the original Static Sub for this line was right? >>;; I just reworded it a bit based on Ando's suggestions. Thanks hon. Fourth line. This one was highly dependant on two things, first was my feeling of warning being intended here and second on the word Arika never gets to sing because of Sergey's interruption. "Oh my beloved, wait for me..." was the original, Static Subs translation which I humbly disagree with and think it was mostly an error based on not having the final lyric of this stanza. If the line ended where Arika stopped singing, then that is what the translation would be. However there is a final word, "ておくれ". The first half of the sentence translates directly to "oh beloved" and the second half to "wait be too late". The word "ておくれ" means, literally, to be too late, as if you have missed something, etc... It's really forboding. Now, the only thing between the word for "wait" and the word for "to be too late" that connects them in any sort of manner, let alone cause and affect is the form "wait" is in. This is called the "て-form" and is used to string together verbs. For example, you'd use this form to say "I ran, walked, and biked" so it's like adding "and" between verbs. Now, in ENGLISH the phrase "wait and be too late" is a direct cause and affect: you waited and are therefore too late. In Japanese and specifically in this poem, the "て-form" usage indicates a much subtler connection between waiting and being too late. Essentially, it boils down to the same thing either way, but I thought the subtly of the phrasing was worth mentioning. NINA'S STANZA First line here was originally "That destined face stands next to the window in my heart." and the only real change I made to it was changing "face" to "profile". While the word "face" is part of ”横顔” it is not the whole word. In it's entirety, the word means "the face as seen from the side" or, more concisely, one's profile. Therefore, a word change for clearification. Plus, I think it helps with the visualization intended in this scene. This stanza is, as I said, like seeing a vision, so it's important to get these details right. Second line which was initially translated to "Let's light up my dream; my twinkling dream;" gave me a whole bunch of  when I looked at the original lyrics. Absolutely no where in there a reference to "twinkling" or is dream referenced twice. So, uh, yeah... the heck? XD Not only that, but the dream itself is not the main subject of the line. Dream is a modifier of light. (Just like "dwelling in our hearts" modified "light" in Arika's stanza... pattern? Yes indeedy). So the subject of the line, to start with is "the light of our dreams" not simply one's dreams. For further specification, the word "守る" is applied to "dream". Now, to be clear, "dream" is a noun here and certainly not a verb. "守る" is a verb applied to the noun "dream". Usually, "守る" is translated to "protect", but that is not the entire meaning. You see, it also means "obey" and thus has somewhat of a combined or double meaning. It gives off the feeling of duty, which is really more of what it's referencing: protecting as if it's one's duty to do so. However, while this concept works well in Japanese and can easilly be applied to a dream, the same application simply cannot work in English and achieve the same meaning, so I had to change the verb slightly from its "protect" meaning to its "obey" definition. "obeyed dreams" makes a lot more sense in English and in context than "guarded dreams" mostly due to the problem of "illuminating the light of" said dreams. A guarded dream is not an accomplished one, whereas an obeyed one is or, at the very least, is one in the process of becoming true. That is a dream's light which can be illuminated. Oh, and the word "ともしましょう" means "to light" but having "light" twice would be repetative so I swapped it out for a synonym which means exactly the same thing but sounds better in English.The third line, "The star tells me to choose just one person" was changed only slightly in my translation because no where does it specifically imply or state "person". In fact, it makes much more sense to apply choosing only one [thing] to dreams and aspirations vs. a love rather than between people. "Oh, when my beloved person calls me name, I'll know its them" is another translation of "er... did I miss something?"  After looking over the sentence, though, I realized I didn't miss something, but am still confused as to where the translation came from. First of all, there is no "oh" but I understand that this may have been added to agree better with Arika's stanza. This is personal interprettation, and while I don't think it's needed, I can understand it's use so I'm not going to debate it. "When" here, it should be mentioned, is more of an "if and only if" in the way the Japanese is written. Thus, "when" is applicable in the English translation, but I feel the subtlies are worth mentioning in translations, especially that of poetry. Also "I'll know its them" is absolutely no where in that line. What I assume to be the phrase that was translated to that is "わたしを -- 変わる", where the first word is "I" and it is directly related to the verb meaning "to change" or "will change". I reworded "change" to "transform" because it's a synonym that fits the series and feeling of the piece better. The hardest part about this line is finding which subject relates to which verb because, in Japanese, you can put anything anywhere in the sentence. -_-; To give you some idea, it goes [Loved person() I() if called will change]. This, in all honesty, can lead to quite a bit of confusion, but the particles "()" are the godsend of the Japanese language and help end this confusion, so I can assure you that the "loved person" "calls out" and "I" "will transform", and not the other way around.  MASHIROU'S STANZA THIS HAS BEEN EDITTED THANKS TO ANDO'S POINTS BELOW First of: "These precious times, this untainted light." <--- OMGWTFBBQ?  The only word from this translation that I found in the original Japanese was "untainted" and even then, it's hard to get to that. The first half of the sentence is literally [beautifully stand dance]. Yes, it's "adjective, verb, verb" with nothing inbetween the verbs. It's like saying "Beautifully smile, explode" there's nothing to join "smile" and "explode" just like there is nothing joining "stand" and "dance". Not even the aforementioned "て-form". There is no connection between "stand" and "dance" AT ALL. They could be two different sentences for all grammer cares. However, one must remember that this is poetry, and more specifically Japanese poetry, which means that grammer is often and gratiously ommitted. For this reason, it is my personal interpretation that "beautifully" was supposed to modify both verbs. Think of it like math and the foil method. 2(x + y) = 2x + 2y. Here, it's Beautifully ( Stand + Dance) = Beautifully Stand + Beautifully Danced. When simplified in English that's "Beautifully stand and dance".(Still on first line) Now, in keeping with the null connection between "stand" and "dance", the first half of the sentence seems to, grammatically have nothing whatsoever to do with the second half of the sentence. --; The second half translates very roughly to "untainted wings". First of all, "wings" here can also, and more precisely be translated to "feathers" which the word in question is more apt to mean. So the literal translation of "羽" is actually "feathers" and to a much lesser extent "wings". However, the term "feathers" in relation to the rest of the stanza and the whole poem was simply too small to make enough sense (at least in English), so I pulled artistic license and used the lesser used meaning of "wings". Now, "羽" does literally mean both "feathers" and "wings" but is mostly used to mean "feathers" which I why I mention it. As for "けがれなき" ... which is like so much BLARG to translate... "けがれなき" literally means "impure (weeping/lament/deceased)" but then, because of the form it's written in, sort of negates itself to become "not - impure (weeping/lament/deceased)". So, uh, yeah, "untainted", but in a subtle, vague and convoluted manner. Edit: It has been pointed out that this song is supposed to be a lullaby, and for this reason, it's likely that the person singing it (Rena) is referring to themselves as the "untainted feather/wing". Considering that ando's Japanese is better than mine and that this fits very well with the theme of an otome, I believe the assertation to be correct. This was the most drastic change to the song, as it makes everything that appears after it a way of addressing themselves in the third person. The English equivalent is something like Rena saying "Aunty Rena's going to take good care of you~" -_-;; That's the best example I can give without getting overly complicated, so I apologise. Second line. "Let's examine your hands and eyes for the radiance of life." <--  These translations are starting to really make me crazy XP There is simply none of this translation in the original Japanese. To make this simple, pretend you didn't just read that line and I'll explain my translation. The most troublesome word in this line is "御子" or "miko" which is a word you've all often heard before, I'm guessing. It's usually translated to "priestess." Why did I translate it to something else entirely? Well, because they changed the kanji on us! The bastards! >.< With that kanji combination, "miko" means either "the child of the emperor" or "maiden concecrated to the gods" which is sort of like priestess but not to any full degree. I chose the first translation for a few reasons: 1) it was the most literal and used translation for the given kanji 2) Mashirou is singing this part 3) it fits better with the series. (That is, if this was Mai HiME, I probably would have used the second translation). Now, this isn't even the subject of the sentence. "Miko" is modifying the word for "life" (as in your mortal life) which is intern modifying "light". (Again light is the main subject of the second line in a stanza! Do note this!). The full subject is then "the light of the life of the emperor's child"! Lastly, the first word's literal translation is "to carry on one's back and shoulders"/ "to be burdened on one's back and shoulders" [which is modified to "let's ~"]. EDIT: This is no longer true, if one takes into account that the assumed subject of the line is "I" or the person singing (IE: an otome or specifically Rena). Thus, the actual modification is "I will" not "let's". In other words, she's stating that she intends to carry the light of the emperor's child on her back, IE: guard and protect them. This actually makes a lot more sense. So why did I put "light of" in parenthesises? Well, because the sentence would sound better as "let's carry the life of the emperor's child on our backs" in English, but I wanted to preserve the pattern previously established, thus left it in as an aside. Conversely, it could also be "Let us burden ourselves with the light of the light of the emperor's child", but that would give the line a negative conotation and the stanza reads like someone who is striving forward, so it needs to be positive. In the third line, the first half "In order to become stars," is one which I agree with, but wanted to change the wording slightly to "for the sake of becoming stars" because doing something in order to do something else is simply not as grand as doing something for the sake of something else. We need grandeur here because the last sentence was equally grand and speaking of royalty and burdens borne. However, the next part of the translation really confused me "We are born and educated" does not match the Japanese here.  Only the verb "to be born" is the same, but no where is education mentioned. I will mention here that this is my weakest translation because, frankly, I'm not familiar with the grammatical structure used to modify "to be born," so if someone does and wants to correct my interprettation please feel free to do so. That aside, the modification looks to be adding the meaning of "must". So, "we must be born for the sake of becoming stars." Rather uplifting, ne? EDIT: Someone took me up on my request for a correction (thanks ando! ) and pointed out that the verb form here is actually "must NOT" not "must". Obviously, this changes the sentence completely. Honestly, I'm not sure what to make of it anymore. "In order to become a star, I must not be born." ??? Honestly, I have no clue, but I'm trusting ando's translation here, as they provided me with the grammer point and everything. Anyone who wants to take a crack at this, please do.And lastly, we have "We go to sleep held by our loved ones" which I changed slightly to "Sleep, embraced by our loved ones". A few reasons for this. First is flow, second is that "embraced" is the more typical translation for "抱かれて" and third because it just sounds better. Also, "sleep" is in command form (I kind of missed this originally) so the whole sentence is sort of like a gentle command. It is a lullaby, afterall.CONCLUSION Overall, my impression with this poem is that it is as important as Arisa's song from Mai HiME. Additionally, there are many patterns in particular that should be looked into. First, there is the fact that there are literally three different parts to the story outlined here: a warning, a vision and a prophecy of sorts. This gives the piece a rather eerie feeling. Is the vision of the past, present, future or all of the above? Is the prophecy which is written so positively one that has already happened, is currently happening, or doomed to failure in the Mai Otome world? And, of course, what is the warning alluding to? This is, perhaps, the most chilling and forboding question of the whole piece mainly because it has both positive and negative aspects in the stanza. The lines go Negative, Positive, Positive, Negative, which gives one the impression that things will start to look up and then end badly. (Which seems to be the case with ep 13!) Secondly, all three stanzas reference, in order, a group effort to help a light, a star and a decision in relation to a star, and a loved one. These things are integral in both the Mai HiME and Mai Otome plots. The only kicker being, this time they have different or undisclosed meanings. For example, from this I can say that the star is important, but exactly why I can't tell. Your fate is linked to the star twice and the star delivers and ultimatum: one and only one. Yet we don't know what exactly this is in reference to. Could it be choose only one loved one? Perhaps, but that seems too MH for MO. A more plausible choice seems to be choosing between the light (be it your dreams, or a group concept) and your beloved. This seems to be much more the case, since in MO, the girls are forced to choose between their dreams and their loved ones. (End of ep 12 and speculation on 13!!) So, I hope I covered everything well enough for some discussion to start up again. ^_^ Thanks for reading this extremely long post. - Kira Last edited by KiraDouji; 2006-01-01 at 11:55. Reason: Updates and changes to the translation |
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How did all three girls AND Sergey learn of the song? Arika learned it from her grandmother, and Sergey learned it from Rena. Nina has had at least some contact with Rena (see flashback from episode six pool scene). Mashiro... I have no idea. Arika's grandmother presumably found Arika soon after the incident which left her in a bobbing egg, and Rena probably didn't want to hang around for too long after watching the country she was sworn to protect be destroyed because she wanted to get preggers (assuming she survived the fight with Rad). So many questions that need to be answered.
Anyway, let us assume that the original creator of the song (be it Rena or Arika's grandmother) had some foresight into the future. That is... that the song is a form of foreshadowing for an anime Nostradamus wannabe and therefore this discussion isn't a waste of time. In that case, we can have some fun with this. The first verse, as Kira already said, looks like a warning. Repitition of a theme (aspirations, raising up, waking), mainly making the point that all three girls need to keep following their dreams (or else... DOOM). It should be noted that ささげましょう is an invitational form, but is also used to remind or command someone (an english equivilent would be 'Let's do the laundry, shall we?'). If this is a chronological overview of the show, the first verse would be the first ten episodes or so. Arika's waking of the Blue Saphire, and her subsuquent training. Verse two! More implications of some sort of spiritual monogamy. This whole 'beloved' theme runs through the song stronger than I realized at first. The 'Mai' francise has always thrived on this extra dimension of a relationship with tangible consiquences (Otome bond, Child bond, Slave bond), so I guess it shouldn't come as such a suprise. And the final two lines spell out the truth of who the 'beloved' is pretty clearly. "When my beloved calls out, I will transform" sounds an awful lot like an acceptance contract between Meister Otome and Royalty. So the second verse seems to be talking about the bonding for the main characters. We've already seen Arika get bonded, but I don't think that's what this is about. My guess would be Nina getting taken soon too, since its in her verse. Nagi looks like a likely (and tragic) option. Versue three... the conclusion. Beautifully stand and dance is just about as clear as you can get: Otome battles. The second line is talking about protecting someone important, and my guess would be Mikoto. Mikoto lead them to the Harmonium, and was all but integerated into it. The final line almost certainly speaks of a happy ending. So rejoice, carebears, and be ready for it, all you tragety lovers. Just my two yen. |
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2005-12-27, 22:35
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うるわしく立ち舞う けがれなき羽
Beautifully stand and dance (with?) untainted wings Actually, while I agree with the line "Beautifully stand and dance" meaning otome battles, I think there's a bit more to the line than just that. (Or maybe I've got too much Kubo Tite in my head  ) The point is, there's a whole other part to the line which was added for a purpose. "untainted wings" is an important part of this verse because wings are usually used to reference, for lack of better termonology, rising above a problem or overcoming great odds, or divinity. The addition of "untainted" (in all of its vague magnificence) points towards a duel meaning along the lines of "without complications" or, in otome's case "with an undivided heart." This is integral to the meaning of the line as it would not only make it positive (!) but also indicate that an important decision has been made by the combatants and they are doing whatever it is they decide on by their own decision.背負いましょう御子の 命のひかり Let's carry the (light of) the life of the emperor's child on our backs To me, this line indicates directly to one of the three girls. I say this because the kanji used for "miko" was so g-damn precise that I can't see it meaning anything aside from what it directly stands for. Also, the line bursts with determination and possible triumph. I believe it strongly indicates a resolution between Arika, Mashirou and Nina for not only themselves but for one specific goal which they are all then devoted to. 星になるために 生まれてはならぬ We must be born for the sake of becoming stars Here, there is a huge allusion to not only the star itself (third time "hoshi" is mentioned) but also it seems much like... well a eulegy. This seems like a sort of statement to be made after a loved has passed on, but having accomplished something they dreamed of. It's really hard to relate my feelings of this statement other than saying that I think someone important to the theme and plot of this story is going to die towards the end accomplishing a dream that (most likely) many people were striving for and in doing so creates a bittersweet victory. 愛するひとに 抱かれてねむれ We sleep, embraced by our loved ones. Again, there is more foreshadowing here than taken into account. Yes, it seems like a happy ending, but more specifically one which indicates the final state of things. This could herald a varity of things: that otomes in general cease to exist as they were in the beginning; that one of the main otomes focused on (Arika, Nina, ShizNat, Akane, or even Mai) ends up giving up their life as an otome; or even that in the end a balance is struck between love/sex and being an otome. Just my personal interpretations, though. Beware the Deep Hidden Meaning(tm). - Kira |
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Otome talks to Miko, "背負いましょう御子の 命のひかり". Otome talks to Miko, "星になるために 生まれてはならぬ". Otome talks to Miko, "愛するひとに 抱かれてねむれ". That is the reason I make up for 'I'. So the second line would be: (私が)背負いましょう御子の 命のひかり "私が...しましょう" can be translated into "I will do ...". Quote:
From 大辞泉(Japanese dictionary): http://dic.yahoo.co.jp/bin/dsearch?i...pe=1&pagenum=1 ----- ぬ [助動][〇｜ず（ん）｜ぬ（ん）｜ぬ（ん）｜ね｜〇]《文語の打消しの助動詞「ず」の連体形が口語の終止形となったもの》助動詞「だ」「たい」を除く活用語の未 然形に付く。 １ 打消しの意を表す。「まかぬ種は生えぬ」「思わず叫ぶ」「勉強をしない生徒がよい成績をとれるはずがありま せん」 ２ （「てはいかん」「てはならぬ（ん）」の形で）禁止の意を表す。「高山植物を採ってはいかん」 ３ （「ねばならぬ（ん）」「ねばなるまい」の形で）当然・義務の意を表す。「明日は会社に八時までに行かねば ならぬ」 ４ （「ずともよい」「ぬともよい」「んでもいい」の形で）許容・許可の意を表す。「君は行かずともよい」「風 邪をひいているから風呂はわかさんでもいい」 ５ （文末にあって「ん」「ぬ（ん）か」の形で）催促・勧誘・依頼の意を表す。「早く起きんか」「あなたも体操 をなさいませんか」 「三谷さんに一服さしあげて下さいません？」〈康成・千羽鶴〉 ----- So "ぬ" means prohibition in this case and I used "Must not ...". Some examples: ここで遊んではならぬ。(Must not play here.) ここで煙草を吸ってはならぬ。(Must not smoke here.) 生き物を殺してはならぬ。(Must not kill a living thing.) Quote:
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