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Hell_ping · 2012-10-02, 23:33

I probably sound like a broken record when I say that Baka Tsuki is NOT a fansub group at this point...

Honestly, I just hope more people just go and learn the language on their own instead of complaining about a lack of translation/speed (and that they actually try to contribute back to see how hard it is to translate LNs. Google translate doesn't count, but some people think it's that easy to dump it there anyway...). So while I would have lashed out at you Crystadgon, I do have to give props to you for actually trying to learn the language for yourself.

On a side note, Mahouka is not a series you want to learn Japanese from as a beginner. DenYuuDen, Itsuka and Seitokai would be simple enough to start from, I would say.

Insane · 2012-10-02, 23:59

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Originally Posted by Teh_Ping

I probably sound like a broken record when I say that Baka Tsuki is NOT a fansub group at this point...

Honestly, I just hope more people just go and learn the language on their own instead of complaining about a lack of translation/speed (and that they actually try to contribute back to see how hard it is to translate LNs. Google translate doesn't count, but some people think it's that easy to dump it there anyway...). So while I would have lashed out at you Crystadgon, I do have to give props to you for actually trying to learn the language for yourself.

On a side note, Mahouka is not a series you want to learn Japanese from as a beginner. DenYuuDen, Itsuka and Seitokai would be simple enough to start from, I would say.

Ping had reached his limit.......

Hell_ping · 2012-10-03, 00:08

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Originally Posted by Insane

Ping had reached his limit.......

Honestly, I don't have an issue with those people who complain. My only issue with those who complain is that they don't do anything themselves and expect the translators to do something about it when these translators have their own RL issues. I'm rather calm (call it tranquil fury). If you guys exactly see me typing in large font, you know I lost it. (I think I did so once in the IS thread over how people expect it to continue despite Izuru's health or something...) So when I do carry out threats and stuff, I am still relatively calm. (though it's not a pleasant thing for me)

I do rate the difficulty of Mahouka at 8.5/10. For comparison, SAO is 5.5 and Index is 7. Monogatari is 10 though, which is why I recommend an easier novel. (and also why I recommend giving the translators Seitsuki and Dreyakis more breathing room for this. The more you complain, the more likely people are going to drop out.)

Mentar · 2012-10-03, 01:26

By the way, TP - is there any good way to show some kind of appreciation to Baka-Tsuki translators?

You know - I wouldn't want to bring money into this easily, but I wouldn't mind letting a translator of my favorite series have a dinner on my expenses every once in a while. And at the moment, I wouldn't even know how to send them a mere "thank you" email.

Having fansubbed for many years myself, I know exactly where you're coming from. So I also know how nice it can be to receive some "Thank you so much for your hard work" feedback. And at the moment, I don't know how to give it.

surerman · 2012-10-03, 02:32

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Originally Posted by Mentar

By the way, TP - is there any good way to show some kind of appreciation to Baka-Tsuki translators?

You know - I wouldn't want to bring money into this easily, but I wouldn't mind letting a translator of my favorite series have a dinner on my expenses every once in a while. And at the moment, I wouldn't even know how to send them a mere "thank you" email.

Having fansubbed for many years myself, I know exactly where you're coming from. So I also know how nice it can be to receive some "Thank you so much for your hard work" feedback. And at the moment, I don't know how to give it.

just go to Singapore, my subordinate can find him easily there

oh! and if you come there, please let me know, we have same intention, but I can't leave this place, so I'll send some one on my stead
A bunch of presents is nice than a lone huge one, right?

Hell_ping · 2012-10-03, 08:06

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Originally Posted by Mentar

By the way, TP - is there any good way to show some kind of appreciation to Baka-Tsuki translators?

You know - I wouldn't want to bring money into this easily, but I wouldn't mind letting a translator of my favorite series have a dinner on my expenses every once in a while. And at the moment, I wouldn't even know how to send them a mere "thank you" email.

Having fansubbed for many years myself, I know exactly where you're coming from. So I also know how nice it can be to receive some "Thank you so much for your hard work" feedback. And at the moment, I don't know how to give it.

Just the feedback would do, I guess. Whenever they (or anyone else) post updates so on the threads here, even if they aren't around, you can just post it in response to their updates. I (hopefully) wish that would be enough for the translators. To be honest, when I say that Baka Tsuki is not a fansub group, I mean that all the translators are independent, which means that there is no control over when the updates will happen. That is why I do find it annoying that people keep asking when some series will be updated because we have no idea in the first place. (or whether the translators are active...). Honestly, the greatest gift to me as a translator now would be more translators so that I don't have to hear lots of complains every single day. I can't complain because not many are willing to work on it in the first place though. (I do appreciate the gratitude, but please don't use your money to reward our translators, whether directly or indirectly. We're doing this for free in the first place, so I don't find it right to accept any monetary reward or physical reward. Thank you.)

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Originally Posted by surerman

just go to Singapore, my subordinate can find him easily there

oh! and if you come there, please let me know, we have same intention, but I can't leave this place, so I'll send some one on my stead
A bunch of presents is nice than a lone huge one, right?

I swear, I hope you don't continue stalking me when I retire one of these days...

Back onto Mahouka, the first two volumes are pretty thick themselves. Good job for lasting through, Seitsuki.

Insane · 2012-10-03, 08:17

Just wondering. Why were the afterwords in both Vol 1 and 2 not translated? Were they not very important or any other circumstances?

Syokool · 2012-10-03, 08:48

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Originally Posted by Insane

Just wondering. Why were the afterwords in both Vol 1 and 2 not translated? Were they not very important or any other circumstances?

As Teh_Ping said, BT is not a fansub/translation group, it's a wiki, so translations don't have to follow a certain schedule, nor the progress is attached to some previous plan. It's just up to the translators to take some project (with luck, more will join).

After-words always are important by themselves because you get to know a little bit more about the author, and there are news and stuff.

Just wait, or try to TL that by yourself. You can find it rather fun because "atogaki" doesn't last more than 2-3 pages (out of 400 or more than these books have generally).

As for Seitsuki, he's la*****n' slave just a kind person as Dreyakis for take some time to work on it

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@Ghanw, if u are a damn lolicon as me, u can try Ro-Kyu-Bu!. It's damn easy for starters.

Also, u can't try Monogatari-series, but it's rather difficult if you can't catch the puns, and if u don't have some experience with colloquial Japanese, as other matters

Edit:

From Dengeki raws:

Seitsuki · 2012-10-03, 14:39

Did.. did Ping sempai just praise me?? Oh.. that was unfair.. gosh, my heart skipped a beat ~~ ♪ ♥

Anyway yeah, I don't think the issue of RL compensation should ever enter the equation especially considering this is all meant to be volunteer work. I feel that it would subtract from the whole point really. I do this out of love for a series and kinda sortta maybe for the readers so anything in addition to that would reduce those. Besides, it would mean I have actual expectations >_>

Ariel: get outta here. You guys are all jerks.

Chaos2Frozen · 2012-10-04, 10:15

Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei Volume 8 scheduled for release in December.

Velsy · 2012-10-04, 10:32

Um, I only just sorta started this Light novel, after reading the 10 manga chapters. So I know I am not up to the latest of chapters yet. But I have a question to ask about chapter 3 (where I currently am) Its to do with Mari. I'll put it in a spoiler just for spoiler sake.

Spoiler for Chapter 3:

Okashira · 2012-10-04, 11:42

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Originally Posted by Velsy

Um, I only just sorta started this Light novel, after reading the 10 manga chapters. So I know I am not up to the latest of chapters yet. But I have a question to ask about chapter 3 (where I currently am) Its to do with Mari. I'll put it in a spoiler just for spoiler sake.

Spoiler for Chapter 3:

I think that you are over analyzing the issue here... I suppose that it's better to talk outside spoiler talks, since the LN thread is way head from the manga thread....

Anyway, I am under the impression that Mari labeled Tatsuya as a troublemaker at first, and also as someone who squeals his way out of trouble. Being a troublemaker herself she seems kinda fond of the conflictive character type

So I guess that when it was clear that Tatsuya wasn't brewing up trouble she started treating him better.

About her being insulting, her character type is kinda blunt, so it's probably not intentional. She also already has a boyfriend (this is something that Tatsuya noticed from her actions).

willx · 2012-10-04, 11:53

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Originally Posted by Okashira

I think that you are over analyzing the issue here... I suppose that it's better to talk outside spoiler talks, since the LN thread is way head from the manga thread....

Anyway, I am under the impression that Mari labeled Tatsuya as a troublemaker at first, and also as someone who squeals his way out of trouble. Being a troublemaker herself she seems kinda fond of the conflictive character type

So I guess that when it was clear that Tatsuya wasn't brewing up trouble she started treating him better.

About her being insulting, her character type is kinda blunt, so it's probably not intentional. She also already has a boyfriend (this is something that Tatsuya noticed from her actions).

From my understanding, it was more like: "You're an interesting character, I'll keep my eye on you"

This is particularly evident due to the fact that she found out he could read activation sequences. That being said, she's definitely interested in characters with "spunk" and "confidence" that they can back up.. although she isn't aware of his true capabilities at this point.

Dreyakis · 2012-10-04, 17:06

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Originally Posted by Velsy

Um, I only just sorta started this Light novel, after reading the 10 manga chapters. So I know I am not up to the latest of chapters yet. But I have a question to ask about chapter 3 (where I currently am) Its to do with Mari. I'll put it in a spoiler just for spoiler sake.

Spoiler for Chapter 3:

Many things are lost in the context of the manga, since each chapter only has at best 30 or so pages to work with.

Essentially, Mari's response is twofold. First: she recognizes that Tatsuya was able to weasel everyone present out of any responsibility of wrong doing. From a law enforcement perspective, having these people in the field is a headache. However, having these people on your side is awesome. Second, as someone else mentioned earlier, knowing that Tatsuya can read Activation Sequences is huge. This is like knowing what spell your opponent is going to use, then tapping two blue mana and using Counter Spell. It gives a massive advantage in combat, and, again from the law enforcement perspective, you can now prove that people had the intent to use dangerous magic.

In the School Council Meeting, Mari called Tatsuya "boring" because he's practically impossible to fluster. Think of a generic shounen series, any generic shounen series. In general, young, impressionable, red-blooded males are easily distracted or flustered by beautiful ladies of similar age. Tatsuya... is immune to this. Rather than being "boring", Tatsuya is able to take the best teasing hits you can throw at him, then retaliate with something of his own.

In conclusion, Mari wants to recruit Tatsuya for his outstanding abilities: to think on his feet and ability to discern Activation Sequences. She merely thinks he's boring because there's no way in hell she can get any reaction out of him. (As you will see in future chapters)

blackwhite67 · 2012-10-04, 17:16

So a good number of people know about Tatsuya's healing magic, but they don't know about his killer decomposition magic, right?

Mentar · 2012-10-04, 17:44

No. Aside from Miyuki, the Yotsuba and the military, nobody knows about his healing magic. Everyone at school but Miyuki is clueless, and this won't change until the end of the Yokohama arc, which hasn't been done in the LN releases (only in the web novel ones).

blackwhite67 · 2012-10-04, 18:06

I was talking currently, as in summary-wise.

Syokool · 2012-10-05, 14:09

Voice Cast (dorama DVD):

Yuichi Nakamura: Shiba Tatsuya
Saori Hayami: Shiba Miyuku
Kikuko Inoue: Shiba Miya
Aya Endō: Sakurai Honami
Tōru Ōkawa: Kazama Harunobu
Tarusuke Shingaki: Sanada Shikeru

I don't know about seiyuus so...

Velsy · 2012-10-05, 16:45

Another question or 2

From chapter 4

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Because that person was her elder brother. Her elder brother by blood. From that moment 3 years ago, when she first heard their relation. (!)

That day 3 years ago, since being saved by that person and knowing the truth, I have worked hard towards being a worthy little sister to that person.

I dont fully understand the meaning. Is she meaning she only found out she had a brother 3 years ago ? Or that she only fell in love with him 3 years ago. I think its the later, but I dont fully understand the meaning shes getting at.

Also for Mayumi, if I understand the conversation correctly at the end of chapter 3. Shes just a saddist who loves to tease people? who stand out. Thus Tatsuya turning out to be someone she cant control and can see right through her.
I, as the same as Leo/Erikia/Mizuki mentioned later on, also had the impression when Tatsuya first met before the entrance ceromony, it was set up and planned. Ever since I had been trying to work out her motive. Because it was clearly stated, that he didnt stand out to people (unlike his beautiful sister), and he also has the narrow glaring eyes type that makes people uneasy. Not a bishie if you know what I mean.

So with this... Part of her motive is uncovered? Because he stood out with the *paper* tests? The part where she was trying to enlist his sister is explained by the 1st year tradition. That cleared alot of other suspicion I had.

Richocet · 2012-10-05, 17:04

^^To answer the first bit, we'd have to go later on into the web arc summaries

Spoiler:

2012-10-02, 23:33	Link #1281
Hell_ping 一刀繚乱 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: アッバス Age: 33	I probably sound like a broken record when I say that Baka Tsuki is NOT a fansub group at this point... Honestly, I just hope more people just go and learn the language on their own instead of complaining about a lack of translation/speed (and that they actually try to contribute back to see how hard it is to translate LNs. Google translate doesn't count, but some people think it's that easy to dump it there anyway...). So while I would have lashed out at you Crystadgon, I do have to give props to you for actually trying to learn the language for yourself. On a side note, Mahouka is not a series you want to learn Japanese from as a beginner. DenYuuDen, Itsuka and Seitokai would be simple enough to start from, I would say. __________________ I can still proceed on without reason.

2012-10-03, 14:39	Link #1289
Seitsuki Onee! Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Auckland, NZ	Did.. did Ping sempai just praise me?? Oh.. that was unfair.. gosh, my heart skipped a beat ~~ ♪ ♥ Anyway yeah, I don't think the issue of RL compensation should ever enter the equation especially considering this is all meant to be volunteer work. I feel that it would subtract from the whole point really. I do this out of love for a series and kinda sortta maybe for the readers so anything in addition to that would reduce those. Besides, it would mean I have actual expectations >_> Ariel: get outta here. You guys are all jerks. __________________ thanks to Patchy ♥

2012-10-04, 10:15	Link #1290
Chaos2Frozen We're Back Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Redgrave City Age: 35	Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei Volume 8 scheduled for release in December. __________________ Devil Trigger , Subhuman , Crimson Cloud , Mad Qualia

2012-10-04, 10:32	Link #1291
Velsy Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008	Um, I only just sorta started this Light novel, after reading the 10 manga chapters. So I know I am not up to the latest of chapters yet. But I have a question to ask about chapter 3 (where I currently am) Its to do with Mari. I'll put it in a spoiler just for spoiler sake. Spoiler for Chapter 3: The Intention of Mari in chapter 3 does confuzzle me a little. So I kinda want to clarify a little. When the inncident happened in chapter 2. She seems really annoyed with him, calling him out as being deceptive but unable to do anything without any hard evidence. Then with the pres stepping in and wrapping it up. She seemed to have that "I'll be watching you, if you slip up, I will nail you" attitude as she left. I cant think of the word of it atm. Then the next day comes, Tatsuya attends the lunchtime Student council meeting. And Mari flatout calls him a boring guy. It didnt seem like she was joking. Then before the meeting ends, she turns around and offers the idea of him Joining the Commitee. The main thing I would like to clarify here, is I dont really get the sudden turn around. The only thing I can think of that would make logic. If she was just being a "tsundere" and she actually liked him from the start? Well that pretty much would sum this up pretty well. You could also say I am skepitcal over her declared two reasons as well. Guess I am not really that convinced she turned arond on the spot like that, like flicking on a light switch. Being hostile and then bring him on board. As Tatsuya did mention, it really does make it "seem" like it was a complimenty to his sister joining. Dont get me wrong, I like her character so far, but the switch was all of a sudden <.< Has me in a bit of confusion state.

2012-10-05, 17:04	Link #1300
Richocet Lover of Purity Join Date: Feb 2012	^^To answer the first bit, we'd have to go later on into the web arc summaries Spoiler: its just that she didn't recognize him as her elder brother, she didn't think much about him, just knew that he was her bodygaurd appointed by the family but after a certain incident things changed __________________

2012-10-03, 01:26	Link #1284
Mentar Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Hamburg Age: 54	By the way, TP - is there any good way to show some kind of appreciation to Baka-Tsuki translators? You know - I wouldn't want to bring money into this easily, but I wouldn't mind letting a translator of my favorite series have a dinner on my expenses every once in a while. And at the moment, I wouldn't even know how to send them a mere "thank you" email. Having fansubbed for many years myself, I know exactly where you're coming from. So I also know how nice it can be to receive some "Thank you so much for your hard work" feedback. And at the moment, I don't know how to give it.

2012-10-03, 08:17	Link #1287
Insane Banned Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Cairo, Egypt Age: 28	Just wondering. Why were the afterwords in both Vol 1 and 2 not translated? Were they not very important or any other circumstances?

2012-10-04, 17:16	Link #1295
blackwhite67 Banned Join Date: May 2012	So a good number of people know about Tatsuya's healing magic, but they don't know about his killer decomposition magic, right?

2012-10-04, 17:44	Link #1296
Mentar Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Hamburg Age: 54	No. Aside from Miyuki, the Yotsuba and the military, nobody knows about his healing magic. Everyone at school but Miyuki is clueless, and this won't change until the end of the Yokohama arc, which hasn't been done in the LN releases (only in the web novel ones).

2012-10-04, 18:06	Link #1297
blackwhite67 Banned Join Date: May 2012	I was talking currently, as in summary-wise.

2012-10-05, 14:09	Link #1298
Syokool Lab. member 009 Scanlator Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: 1.048596 Age: 35	Voice Cast (dorama DVD): Yuichi Nakamura: Shiba Tatsuya Saori Hayami: Shiba Miyuku Kikuko Inoue: Shiba Miya Aya Endō: Sakurai Honami Tōru Ōkawa: Kazama Harunobu Tarusuke Shingaki: Sanada Shikeru I don't know about seiyuus so...