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Keroko · 2013-02-03, 11:18

Well, yes, but I was talking human styles. Since I believe the lack of new styles in Vivid was a vocal complaint earlier.

Sansker · 2013-02-03, 11:58

I didn't notice those, well I guess in the end I get what I want it, nice.

I am just confuse why the other never bother mention this with all the crap they always talk about anything in the figths.

Also de Nanoha wiki listed Sieg's and "Victor"'s magic styles as Ancient Belka and says that the last one does use the triangle on her spells.

Keroko · 2013-02-03, 12:11

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Originally Posted by Sansker

I am just confuse why the other never bother mention this with all the crap they always talk about anything in the figths.

It was noted during their introduction. I suppose that was enough for Victor, who's fight was short as heck anyway. It's still uncertain how much or little they talk about Sieg's magic, given how Sieg's fight is still untranslated.

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Originally Posted by Sansker

Also de Nanoha wiki-

-has been wrong before, but I'll double-check.

Sansker · 2013-02-03, 12:16

I read Sieg's figth already, they never mention she uses a diferent magic system just that she has like the memories of all the battles in her body and she kind of kills everything on her path.

Keroko · 2013-02-03, 12:30

Double-checked, Victor does indeed show her magic circle in chapter 31 page 25, and while it is covered and half off-screen, what is shown keenly resembles the Belkan circle.

Given that her magic was directly stated to be different from mid or belka, this opens up an interesting point: How good are circles in determining magic styles? Vivio is stated to use a mid/belka hybrid, yet consistently shows a mid circle.

Sansker · 2013-02-03, 12:46

Vivio didn't say she use Belka as her main style?

Keroko · 2013-02-03, 12:55

Translation's vague, but from my point of view she's basically using the belkan circle to calculate mid spells.

Yeah, magic circles were never really explained well...

Sansker · 2013-02-03, 12:59

Well she did use some Mid spell she take from Nanoha and Fate (I still don't know how that ever works but whatever) and she always casted Belka circles.

To me this was just another proof of Mid and Belka not having really deeper differences but more like cultural really, but we are discussing that somewhere else.

Back to Vivio she does say she is a hybrid user but Belka is her main style, however this is because she uses Mid spells in Belka or because she can use both circles?

bhl88 · 2013-02-03, 18:43

By the way what's the difference between Strike Arts and Yagami Arts

Sansker · 2013-02-03, 18:51

I have no idea

Nanya01 · 2013-02-03, 19:09

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Originally Posted by bhl88

By the way what's the difference between Strike Arts and Yagami Arts

Simple.

Muira.

That is all.

Akiyoshi · 2013-02-04, 02:47

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Originally Posted by Nanya01

Simple.

Muira.

That is all.

yeah so... what's the difference aside of their own flavored finishing moves xD??

Rising Dragon · 2013-02-04, 02:58

One's taught by an ancient wolf, the other is taught by a remarkably young cyborg.

Akiyoshi · 2013-02-04, 03:11

ok, i know there are remarkably differences regarding the origin of their styles but in practices there are very few core differences, both are melee focuses and both use energy attacks thr partial differences is Miura focusing on critical hits and Vivio on defense/counter o_o

Keroko · 2013-02-04, 06:32

Well, we're never actually told any objective difference, but from what we've seen so far we can speculate.

Strike Arts seems to be an all-purpose kind of martial arts. One that's easily fused with or incorporated in another martial arts. As a result, it's very basic and there really isn't much to tell about it.

The Yagami arts is very similar to the knights that teach it (for obvious reasons) and incorporates their favorite tactic: Overpowering your opponents defenses with frontal assaults and raw power. Miura's attacks are very heavy, both despite and because she is a Mid user.

One could say that the operating theme of the Yagami school is "one-hit knockout."

Kaijo · 2013-02-04, 08:36

Wonder if Miura is going to learn Hayate's own special contribution move in the Yagami style. The: From Behind Breast Grope.

Keroko · 2013-02-04, 09:01

This is Miura we're talking. The girl will faint from shock when learning about it, and faint from anxiety every time she tries to use it.

Kaijo · 2013-02-04, 09:22

Miura: "B-but master, I don't know if I can try... that!"
Hayate: "Do or do not. There is no try."

Sansker · 2013-02-04, 10:59

Sure that is the most lethal move in the history of cute littlegirl combat...

What if she happens to fight a man?

Skane · 2013-02-04, 11:06

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Originally Posted by Sansker

Sure that is the most lethal move in the history of cute littlegirl combat...

What if she happens to fight a man?

Shattered balls.

2013-02-03, 11:58	Link #2542
Sansker Manus ad Ferrum Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Costa Rica Age: 33	I didn't notice those, well I guess in the end I get what I want it, nice. I am just confuse why the other never bother mention this with all the crap they always talk about anything in the figths. Also de Nanoha wiki listed Sieg's and "Victor"'s magic styles as Ancient Belka and says that the last one does use the triangle on her spells. __________________

2013-02-03, 12:16	Link #2544
Sansker Manus ad Ferrum Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Costa Rica Age: 33	I read Sieg's figth already, they never mention she uses a diferent magic system just that she has like the memories of all the battles in her body and she kind of kills everything on her path. __________________

2013-02-03, 12:46	Link #2546
Sansker Manus ad Ferrum Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Costa Rica Age: 33	Vivio didn't say she use Belka as her main style? __________________

2013-02-03, 12:59	Link #2548
Sansker Manus ad Ferrum Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Costa Rica Age: 33	Well she did use some Mid spell she take from Nanoha and Fate (I still don't know how that ever works but whatever) and she always casted Belka circles. To me this was just another proof of Mid and Belka not having really deeper differences but more like cultural really, but we are discussing that somewhere else. Back to Vivio she does say she is a hybrid user but Belka is her main style, however this is because she uses Mid spells in Belka or because she can use both circles? __________________

2013-02-03, 18:43	Link #2549
bhl88 Otaku Apprentice Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Unseen Horizon	By the way what's the difference between Strike Arts and Yagami Arts __________________ OS-tan Collections (temporary): https://discord.gg/Hv2rBs3

2013-02-03, 11:18	Link #2541
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	Well, yes, but I was talking human styles. Since I believe the lack of new styles in Vivid was a vocal complaint earlier.

2013-02-03, 12:30	Link #2545
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	Double-checked, Victor does indeed show her magic circle in chapter 31 page 25, and while it is covered and half off-screen, what is shown keenly resembles the Belkan circle. Given that her magic was directly stated to be different from mid or belka, this opens up an interesting point: How good are circles in determining magic styles? Vivio is stated to use a mid/belka hybrid, yet consistently shows a mid circle.

2013-02-03, 12:55	Link #2547
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	Translation's vague, but from my point of view she's basically using the belkan circle to calculate mid spells. Yeah, magic circles were never really explained well...

2013-02-03, 18:51	Link #2550
Sansker Manus ad Ferrum Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Costa Rica Age: 33	I have no idea __________________

2013-02-04, 02:58	Link #2553
Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	One's taught by an ancient wolf, the other is taught by a remarkably young cyborg. __________________

2013-02-04, 03:11	Link #2554
Akiyoshi The Flame Crussader Join Date: Aug 2009	ok, i know there are remarkably differences regarding the origin of their styles but in practices there are very few core differences, both are melee focuses and both use energy attacks thr partial differences is Miura focusing on critical hits and Vivio on defense/counter o_o __________________ May 29 2010-2019 ...9 years ago, the day after never would be the same ~The ASFB~

2013-02-04, 06:32	Link #2555
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	Well, we're never actually told any objective difference, but from what we've seen so far we can speculate. Strike Arts seems to be an all-purpose kind of martial arts. One that's easily fused with or incorporated in another martial arts. As a result, it's very basic and there really isn't much to tell about it. The Yagami arts is very similar to the knights that teach it (for obvious reasons) and incorporates their favorite tactic: Overpowering your opponents defenses with frontal assaults and raw power. Miura's attacks are very heavy, both despite and because she is a Mid user. One could say that the operating theme of the Yagami school is "one-hit knockout."

2013-02-04, 08:36	Link #2556
Kaijo Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Somewhere over the rainbow, in a house dropped on an ugly, old woman.	Wonder if Miura is going to learn Hayate's own special contribution move in the Yagami style. The: From Behind Breast Grope.

2013-02-04, 09:01	Link #2557
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	This is Miura we're talking. The girl will faint from shock when learning about it, and faint from anxiety every time she tries to use it.

2013-02-04, 09:22	Link #2558
Kaijo Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Somewhere over the rainbow, in a house dropped on an ugly, old woman.	Miura: "B-but master, I don't know if I can try... that!" Hayate: "Do or do not. There is no try."

2013-02-04, 10:59	Link #2559
Sansker Manus ad Ferrum Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Costa Rica Age: 33	Sure that is the most lethal move in the history of cute littlegirl combat... What if she happens to fight a man? __________________