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I would say Rob Lucci fought Luffy seriously o_O
Anyways...concerning the VAs, although i believe that not all VAs r stronger than Luffy, we don't exactly know how strong VAs actually are, and whos to say that the rest of them are not as strong/if not stronger than Garp? (Who is imo stronger than luffy at this stage)
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If you haven't noticed, I'm not trying to disprove anything here. I'm just stating that it's a fact as of now that nothing is known about the combat abilities of the VA's, so therefore we can't say if they're stronger or weaker in comparison to Luffy. This cannot be argued with until Oda unveils what they can do in battle.
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@Andy - To continue from my previous post,
The VA's are not like the admirals or emperors, where we know for certain that Luffy is not as strong as them even without seeing them fight. Oda has set up the admirals and emperors to be in the top-tier of the One Piece universe, so it is obvious that Luffy is currently weaker than them at this point (the story is only a little past half way). We can say that with a certainty. The VA's however (with the exception of Garp possibly), are not in the same tier as the aforementioned monsters, so it is kind of difficult to say for certain that they are stronger or weaker than Luffy. We don't know how big of a gap there is between them and the top-tiers.
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"I don't think you where disappoint when Whitebeard met up with shanks or when the Blackbeard vs Ace happened where Luffy was no where to be found. Or when Zoro saved Luffy's ass at Thiller Bark. " So Luffy steals the spotlight 'every time' huh? And war =/= the only way to obtain the 'right' to save Ace. Luffy went to save Ace, going to the ultimate point of no return for pirates without any help, faced capture and torment and yet still did not give up on saving his brother. I'd say that he damn well earned to save Ace. Quote:
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There are a lot of those so called Shonen Laws that are broken depending on the work, Heck We have Shonen were the principal character dies, or cases were they fail to achieve his goal. and in some cases, The Principal character is the villain.
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Phenomenal, for future reference, it is proper and courteous to give some reasoning as to why you disagree with someone .
Here a few examples of what I meant by Oda deviating from Shonen norms: 1) There are never any training arcs to show how the protagonists get stronger. 2) Future enemies are not always stronger than the ones that preceded them (i.e. Foxy would lose badly to Crocodile or Enel). There are also quite a few Rock/Paper/Scissors match ups in this series. 3) In a lot of other shonens, the beasts are never in the top-tier. It is pretty much the small, sleek looking, serious, intelligent guys that always take the top spots. In One Piece, we have giants like Kuma, Blackbeard, and Whitebeard, that would be able to take out pretty much anyone that stands in their way. Moreover, Kuma and Blackbeard are actually very intelligent, which is absolutely great since a lot of the beasts in other shonens are portrayed as being dumb, incompetent, mindless brutes. 4) Oda also blends in humorous characteristics into his top-tier fighters, like Kizaru being goofy, Garp acting like a Kid, Shanks and Whitebeard drinking too much, the list goes on and on. It's nice to see that his cast of characters is diverse, in terms of design and personality. This is why I greatly enjoy One Piece, because it is eccentric .
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[QUOTE=Blackbeard D. Kuma;2416602][B]Phenomenal[/B\
4) Oda also blends in humorous characteristics into his top-tier fighters, like Kizaru being goofy, Garp acting like a Kid, Shanks and Whitebeard drinking too much, the list goes on and on. It's nice to see that his cast of characters is diverse, QUOTE] kizaru i think its one of the best charcters in one piece,so funny and apathetic and when he wants he is really strong,he took out the 4 supernovas together in like 10 seconds... |
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Of course there have to be power-ups. That's a given considering that this is a Shonen. But I wasn't talking about power-ups, I was talking about training arcs, which One Piece doesn't have, and quite frankly I think that's a good thing since training arcs can be very boring and cliche.
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Rurouni Kenshin's Onji the destroyer was a beast and so was the guy that Kenshin's Master had to fight. These were Shishio's top tier people. Last edited by Phenomenal; 2009-05-25 at 16:58. |
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