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Perfect 10 | 33 | 44.00% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 22 | 29.33% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 14 | 18.67% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 5 | 6.67% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 1.33% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2012-03-13, 18:37 | Link #121 | |
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I don't know how this didn't come up three weeks ago when some of us were discussing the roster in detail. I don't know much Japanese, but the kanji for month and day are so distinctively simple that I'm surprised none of us picked up on the fact that we were wrong. As for whether or not Kouichi was planned for in advance, this was the only reference I could find: Could someone who's read the novel confirm whether or not something like this is mentioned in the novel (if it's not a spoiler)? |
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2012-03-13, 18:53 | Link #123 | |
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I'm guessing the students might have thought that the curse won't occur until Kouichi physically appeared (which is after Golden Week - or on May 6th). Edit: Actually, when we were first introduced to Koichi, his bedside clock showed April 25 (4/25). The student council must have met him the next day.
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2012-03-13, 18:54 | Link #124 | |
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There, he states that it would be his first day of school. Note that he really says first day of school and not 'my first day of school' or 'for me'. he also says that the was left in his grandparents care. That and the fact that he himself states that he was already in there when the first death happened leads to said fact.
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2012-03-13, 20:01 | Link #125 | |||||
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Finally managed to catch up with Another...
The eye thing is the detective's signal that the truth will be revealed on the next page, so go over your clues and make your conclusion right now. The hints have been fairly obvious, and this episode went from 'yeah, that's pretty much it' to 'no doubt about it, that's it'. Well, looks like the other two school trip victims died natural deaths, and the Another of 1983 was immediately forgotten, wrecking my previous theory of it leading to an entire half year's worth of memories being erased. I wonder what's up with Reiko's memories, in that case? Quote:
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1 + 1 = 2. Problem solved. Or for those wanting an explanation, two years ago Kouichi had pretty much the same problem as at the start of the series: He got lung problems and moved from Tokyo to the town. While in the hospital, he met Izumi. Izumi and her brother (who was in class 3-3 at the time, and was confirmed dead on one of the class rosters) die while Kouichi is still in town. After recovering, Kouichi moves back to Tokyo. Two years later, Izumi is the Another, leading to Kouichi's memory of being in town (and having lung problems) two years ago to be erased. Izumi's memory is not erased to make her forget her own existence (obviously), so she still vaguely remembers meeting Kouichi shortly before she died. Izumi started realizing she is the Another herself, and went into denial. Her outburst at Mei was an obvious result of that. Quote:
This sets the stage for the next episode, where paranoia runs rampant and even suggesting that somebody is the Another could get you killed. With the situation as tense as it is now, Mei's knowledge of who the Another is is pretty worthless as nobody trusts one another anymore. If it was as easy as just walking up to Izumi and bashing her face in, Another would be 11 episodes, not 12, and it'd leave many things unresolved. They'll either have to perform an assassination (unlikely since Kouichi and Mei are just two random school kids) or conveniently discover what the phenomenon is exactly and find a better solution. And, uh, the Another nobly sacrificing herself to save the class? The human mind doesn't work that way. If somebody tells you there's no other way to save people than by sacrificing you, your mind will do its best, to a ridiculous degree, to make up excuses as to why that's wrong. Noble sacrifices could only come from one's own reasoning, and even then 99.9% of people simply wouldn't do it. Even if Izumi's presented with tons of proof she's not going to sacrifice herself because she just can't accept she's dead. Quote:
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Most (all?) of writer Kinoko Nasu's works, among which Kara no Kyoukai and Tsukihime (extremely popular doujin visual novel that made Nasu famous, probably more famous in Japan than KnK), take place in the same universe, generally dubbed the Nasuverse by fans. In the Nasuverse, Mystic Eyes are special kinds of magic that are used through eyesight or affect eyesight. As far as I've seen, there are three cases of "Mystic Eyes of Death Perception" in the Nasuverse, two in Tsukihime and one in Kara no Kyoukai. Spoiler for Shiki (Kara no Kyoukai):
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It's not just "because it's shounen action"; you don't see most other characters jumping like that (only one I can recall is that guy in movie 7, but that's because his entire existence was 'enhanced' by bringing him closer to his origin). Shiki has various innate and acquired magical hax abilities as revealed throughout the series, but the first movie (you might've missed the part since that movie sucked) also reveals she's using artifical, magically enhanced limbs crafted by Touko. I won't deny that Nasu's work are shounen battles all over the place, but he usually gives valid excuses for his hax abilities and keeps it realistic when there are none. Usually. Last edited by VDZ; 2012-03-13 at 20:13. |
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2012-03-13, 20:34 | Link #126 |
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Looks like we're about to reach the climax. The question in my mind is whether episode 11 will be non-stop high tension, leaving episode 12 as a sort of wind-down aftermath type of episode, or if they'll split it up.
Question: did anyone feel that the first half of the series was more adrenaline-inducing than the latter half?
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2012-03-13, 20:49 | Link #127 | |
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Don't misunderstand I''m not saying you are right or wrong - there is still enough left to incriminate her. I just want to remind people that the detective has to get the same clues we do in order to solve it. I will say something about the motive behind her outbursts though, purely based upon the Anime and what we have seen until now: From what we have seen until now its more an act of jealousy than denial. You can clearly see how much she suffers the moment Kouichi opens his mouth to help her, notably to a degree where she even bites her own lips. She does however not show this attitute when other people do that. Her outburst is more to humiliate her a bit. There is a reason why sayings like 'Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned' exist.
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2012-03-13, 22:00 | Link #128 | |||
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As I've been saying quite a few times, it seems that there are two separate sets of mysteries in Yomiyama, one involving Class 3-3 of Yomiyama North, and another one involving Mei Misaki and her family. As Skyfall pointed out: Quote:
When I said that the things that have been happening to the students of Class 3-3 aren't "outside the realm of possibility", I was referring to the natural effects of the phenomenon. Every fatal accident we have seen so far is not completely beyond rational explanation. And this is crucial, because while the phenomenon itself is unnatural, that property has so far been confined to just the phenomenon itself. It doesn't consciously exert any power of its own to cause tragedy to people around the Other. Rather, it's more as though the natural environment around the Other is reacting to his presence, the way a body's immune system is triggered by the presence of a potentially dangerous foreign entity. So, as long as the supernatural aspects of the curse are confined to just the curse itself, it is possible for some viewers to accept its existence. This is just one particular anomaly, the one at the heart of the entire mystery and the key part of the plot. Without it, there would be no story, so it's pointless to quibble with its apparent implausibility. Along comes Mei's mystical and suddenly "all-seeing" eye. As I've said, I don't have problems accepting that Mei can see dead or dying people. There is a sufficient body of urban legend from most parts of the world, especially in Asia, that would make this a reasonable "explanation". Even better, I can go one further and hypothesize that her "extra" vision is a likely result of the tumour she suffered at age four, which may have affected her optic nerves to the extent that she now perceives vision differently from other people. And yet, her glass eye appears to be more than just a prosthetic. She can actually "see" through it! That, to me, is stretching it a bit far. I, the viewer, am suddenly confronted with a new mystery, another anomaly, that appears unrelated to the phenomenon. The story is suddenly asking me to suspend disbelief yet further to accept what appears at the moment to be a weak plot device and a convenient deus ex machina. Why should Mei's glass eye be so ultra special? How did Kirika come upon such an all-powerful fake eye? What compelled her to use it on Mei? So, you see, the nature of Mei's glass eye suddenly gives rise to a lot of questions that shouldn't be there, because they detract from the central mystery surrounding the phenomenon. It weakens the plot, in my opinion, unless the link between the Misaki mystery and the Class 3-3 mystery is made clear in the remaining episodes. |
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2012-03-13, 23:26 | Link #130 |
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Yes, it's hard to buy Mei's mystic eyes of death perception. It's a fake eye for crying out loud.
I find another thing amusing. Mei said her mother who is actually her aunt wanted to keep it a secret that Mei is not her real daughter for the rest of her life. How is that possible? Although the girls were raised separately apart, they looked exactly alike and they were cousins. They were bound to meet each other eventually. What'd they think then? Oh, you look just like me. It's probably because our mothers are twin. Teehee |
2012-03-14, 00:12 | Link #132 | |
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I also believe that, even without a satisfying conclusion in episodes 11 & 12, it'll be too harsh to call the solution of the phenomenon's mystery by Mei's left eye a deus ex machina. The deus just made its appearance at the end of episode 10, during Kouichi and Mei's conversation, but the machina has been onstage for the entire story: she's been wearing the eyepatch since episode 1, we've known she has a doll's eye that can "see things that should remain unseen" since the beginning of episode 3, we've known that she lost that original eye to a tumor when she was four since episode 6, and we've known that Mei adamantly believes that Kouichi isn't the Another -- and that she has said so with her eyepatch removed -- since the end of episode 7. So, I can't find fault with the show on those grounds. However, I will agree that the most intriguing aspect of the phenomenon is that almost everything it does has a natural explanation even if it's a supernatural occurrence, while Mei's "magic eye" can only be explained supernaturally. Again, I'll give Another the benefit of the doubt for now, but it may end up degrading the quality of the show and/or the show's conclusion. |
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2012-03-14, 01:31 | Link #133 |
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Misaki's glass doll eye, is really a glass doll eye right? Or is it a case of heterochromia to which incidentally gives her the ability to tell who is dead? I'm sort of doubting it's a simple doll's eye since it seems to match the movement the other eye instead of staying in place...
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2012-03-14, 02:22 | Link #136 | |
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So, it makes perfect sense for Kirika to not want Mei to know the truth. She didn't want to lose the only 'daughter' she ever and ruin the relationship with her even more (assuming they didn't really get along all that well from the start). It's just that Mei found out on her own and her 'mother' couldn't do much more than confirm her suspicion. The mothers being twins would help in keeping the whole thing a secret. After all, if Kirika would look too different from Mei, people might suspect she's not her real mother. With a near-identical twin sister, that wouldn't be an issue.
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If you want to see what a real DXM looks like, make sure you finish watching another show which will end this season, and you'll know exactly which one I'm talking about if you're following it and you watch the ending! Spoiler for which show it is, DO NOT CLICK IF YOU DON'T ALREADY KNOW WHICH SHOW I'M TALKING ABOUT FROM THE HINT ABOVE:
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Yet, from my point of view, it has always appeared that Mei performed her role only half-heartedly. While it is true that she couldn't have known that she'd meet Kouichi in the hospital lift, thus triggering his subsequent curiosity about her at school, she didn't at the same time actively discourage Kouichi from approaching her. She even went so far as to talk to him when, by right, she should just have shut up and walked away, as the rest of the class did when Kouichi became "non-existent". We now know that there is an important reason for this: Mei already knew that the phenomenon was in effect, so she wasn't particularly bothered about doing her utmost to stay persona non grata. She even told Kouichi as much, that it may already be too late, that it may not matter any more whether or not Kouichi acknowledged her. If you were to look at this from Izumi's point of view, from the perspective of someone who takes her responsibilities very seriously, and who doesn't yet know that the phenomenon had started before Kouichi's arrival, it's easy to see why she was so frustrated with Mei. Izumi was doing her best, perhaps even putting her life on the line, to stop the deaths while Mei seemed irritatingly (in Izumi's mind) nonchalant about Kouichi's increasing insistence on interacting with her. If I were a team leader with a dire responsibility, depending heavily on team members to fulfil their roles for the sake of everyone's success, I too would be incredibly annoyed if one of them takes a flippant attitude towards his or her duty. Like Izumi, I too would demand an apology. Like Forsaken Infinity said, Izumi likely knows that the apology would change nothing. Yet it was a necessary first step towards clearing the air. We must not forget that the classmates (the unnamed narrators at the beginning of various episodes) were already talking among themselves, blaming Kouichi, for example, for talking to Mei and hence triggering the phenomenon. In that sense, Izumi was actually being brave by standing up in front of everyone and vocalising what most of the classmates already think but were too cowardly to say openly: that Mei was at fault. Let's not forget that the Japanese are, culturally, very adverse to giving public apologies. It's something shameful that they would rather avoid as far as possible. If, like Forsaken Infinity also said, Izumi had confronted Mei privately, in a two-on-two cat-fight, for example, then and only then, would I feel that Izumi was being selfish and mean. As it were, Izumi was the first to accept responsibility for failure and apologise, before saying that Mei also needed to do the same. She wasn't trying to deflect the blame to Mei and that, to me, is key to understanding her actions in this episode. Izumi is someone who confronts unpleasant circumstances head-on and is always the first to take the blame before carrying out a difficult duty, such as when she voluntarily apologised to Kouichi before carrying out the new counter-measure to ostracise him. This is the very trait that resurfaced this episode, and that's why I think it's unfair for people to blame Izumi for being "mean" to Mei. The whole situation the class was trapped inside was already mean to begin with, but it was only Izumi who had the balls to try and do something about it while the rest of the class was content to just play along. If anyone or anything is to blame, blame the phenomenon and the Other itself, for bringing out the darker side of each person's nature. |
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2012-03-14, 04:28 | Link #139 | ||
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It's completely up to others to do the "ignoring" part, Mei can't do anything about someone choosing not to ignore her, and thus can't be faulted if someone else decides not to. It was all over the moment Koichi walked up to her and talked to her, what she did or didn't do past that already bears no relevance - the gig is already up at that point, her existence has been acknowledged by the mere fact she was approached and talked to. Which is why Akzawa was acting unreasonable - she tries to blame Mei for something that doesn't fall within Mei's ability to influence (the first time someone would approach her and thus acknowledge her). She can blame herself. She can blame the classmates. She can even blame Koichi - while you can't really fault him because he didn't know any better, at least that would make sense, because he was actually the one who acknowledged Mei and thus broke her "doesn't exist" getup, knowingly or not. What makes no sense here is blaming Mei though, because that's really akin to accusing her of not being literally invisible. Her "job" entails sitting quietly in the corner and not bothering anyone. Which she did. The rest is for the other students of the class to uphold. Which they (Koichi) didn't. Hence why Izumi's action was illogical.
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2012-03-14, 04:41 | Link #140 |
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Izumi wasn't acting unreasonable from her point of view. She observed that when Kouichi approached Mei and interacted with her, Mei didn't attempt to avoid him or ignore him. She engaged with him, repeatedly and quite blatantly in front of everybody. We in the audience are privy to the knowledge that Mei is aware that the calamity started before Kouichi returned to the class. Izumi is not aware that the calamity started with the death of Fujioka Misaki, remember that everyone else thinks that Fujioka was Mei's cousin, not twin sister, and therefore would not be subject to the two degrees of separation that defines the calamity's reach. So from her perspective, it's possible and even probable that the calamity began because Mei failed to ignore or avoid Kouichi. She definitely failed to be invisible in this case. The only person who Mei has explained anything to is Kouichi, because of the time they spent together while both invisible and then in the hotel room. Izumi doesn't know anything and so has formed her own incorrect conclusion, which is that Mei is partially responsible and her position is perfectly logical from her limited information.
And yes, when I say Kouichi returned to the class, I do mean returned, go watch the beginning of this episode again, it makes it clear as day that Kouichi was in Yomiyama before and met Izumi before, and the calamity altered their memories so neither remembers this. This is why Izumi is so insistent that she feels she has met Kouichi before, because she has. They were in the same class the previous year and even went on the class trip together and posed for photographs together, then for some reason Kouichi left and attended a private school, and then he came back. But upon his return everyone's memories were altered by the calamity, and so it appears that he is arriving in Yomiyama for the first time. This is why his conversations with his father in India are confusing, his father knows that he used to live there and recently returned, he does not and the calamity is obscuring his end of the conversation with his father. |
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