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SHINOBI-03 · 2012-09-30, 07:02

-EPISODE 49-

Spoiler for Part 1:

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Spoiler for Part 2:

ookamigirl · 2012-09-30, 08:19

The phantom troupe members were surprised by Uvo's disappearance.
Killua was the only one who saw their true strength.
Tailing those two was not a good idea, but I guess they had no other choice.
Gon & Killua walked straight into a trap.
They are no match to even one of those phantom troupe guys.
Being brought into their hideout means they're not gonna release them ever.

noktown · 2012-09-30, 12:56

Although i do understand that the Spiders are strong,i was a little bit disappointed that they showed Killua not standing a chance against Sphinx at all...

I understand Gon,since he's inexperienced.

But Killua,i was expecting a bit more,at least while it was still 1 v 1.

Regaldo · 2012-09-30, 13:37

His dad had a hard time with them, what makes you think Killua is gonna do any better? These kids barely learned nen. They don't even have their developed techniques yet. The PT are just older and on a totally different level.

TooPurePureBoy · 2012-09-30, 13:56

Ya that would be the equivalent of Luffy from chap. 1 being able to take on one of the Shichibukai. It's just too early in the game, though (as illustrated by Phinx's whistle at Killua's skill) he still did a good job of trying to escape considering.

noktown · 2012-09-30, 14:06

I didn't mean to see him win,but pulling an escape would make sense.

What i also mean,that usually no matter how strong the opponent is,even when it was Gon vs Hisoka,Gon still landed one punch Hisoka didn't expect,but in here it seemed so ridiculously one sided that it hurt my eyes.I'm not really arguing,just saying.

@TooPurePureBoy,Technically Luffy didn't change that much from the first chapter to the chapter he defeated Crocodile,but i get your point

vansonbee · 2012-09-30, 15:37

@noktown: using Hisoka match against Gon was bad. Hisoka has no intention of killing Gon and was holding back remarkably.

Who knows, maybe the majority of PT can make Hisoka run for his money.

Regaldo · 2012-09-30, 16:32

I'm just saying these Kids can't beat Adults at their own game. lol

Squarecrow · 2012-09-30, 17:29

Well they have been Nen users as long as Kurapika and have more battle experience (Heavens Arena) than him yet they didn't even come close to him. I was hoping they'd at least make it out of their respective rooms.

Regaldo · 2012-09-30, 18:28

Kurapika has abilities that revolve around Nen, he already has a hatsu...As for Gon and killua they still only learned the basics. They didn't develop any sort of technique such as Franklins finger shooting, Shalnarks phone, Kurapika's chains. etc.

The difference amongst the 3 of them, Kurapika was driven to develop his nen as quickly as possible. Gon and Killua on the other hand were only taught the basics and never really explored how to use their affinities to the max. Later on you'll get why Gon and Killua are still noobs when it comes to Nen.

TooPurePureBoy · 2012-09-30, 19:38

Kurapica is a special case. For one he has genetics on his side, those red eyes making him a specialist capable of 100 percent in all categories of nen is something almost nobody can do. He sacrificed his nen and his life for a stronger aura. Doing so allows him the power needed to realize his imagined ability that most would not even have thought of.

Killua and Gon are different. Every decent Nen teacher they meet is going to stress training from the basics slowly because they have so much raw talent. It would be a shame to risk a precious gem by rushing the cut.

vansonbee · 2012-09-30, 20:11

You forgot to mention Kura strong feelings and motivation to the factors. ^

HxHFan · 2012-10-05, 05:23

Hi, i first introduce myself. I was a lurker here since long time, and i watched the 99 e 2011 adaptation but didn't read the manga.

I didn't like the Chrollo filler in last episode for an indirect reason.

There they shows when and how Chrollo managed to know about Neon. It was occasionally.

That drives the fault of it directly to Kurapica and Dalzollene.

I mean, i already found very strange watching 7 bodyguards hired and paid to protect Neon, just going on their own in an attack mission leaving Neon with 5 dog in substitution. Their main goal was to protect Neon at all costs, that's why they were hired for. The Phantom Troupe didn't approached or even get near to Neon in any way, nor there was any evidence or suspicion that they were interested to her.

If there was a Mafia member interested in kidnapping Neon or seeking revenge he would have easily find her (like PT did) and get rid on the 5 dog.

So the decision to go all-in in an attack mission contradicting their main goal was a very very bad decision, unbelievable to me and i i think that is very strange.

I appreciated more the 99 adaptation change where Dalzollene stayed at the hotel to protect Neon (it's still 1 out of 7 but it's better then nothing).

Back to the filler, stating the moment where Chrollo learned about the Nostrade Family, gives us to know that the PT didn't know her completely before.

So it just leads the fault directly to Kurapica, with his kidnap of one PT member he put Neon in danger (still i know that he cares more his personal goals, but this fact is given), and Dalzollene that should have avoided that (i suppose that bodyguards have to be in a defensive stance, and not doing an attack mission against stronger enemies that have not threaten Neon in any way).

Without the filler, you could think the Neon was one of the Chrollo main objectives since the beginning of the auction (like i did watching the 99 adaptation).

But in the 2011, Chrollo didn't know anything about her if Kurapica didn't attract their attention, so the future events are Kurapica's fault (which i could understand he don't care about it) and Dalzollene's very very huge fault, which acted pretty stupid and against his main goal in my opinion.

What do you think?

TooPurePureBoy · 2012-10-06, 08:15

Ya I would definitely say that Kurapica's actions put Neon in danger when she otherwise wouldn't have been ( at least from the spiders). That said I'm sure he doesn't give a shit that he put some girl (no matter how cute and ditzy) who thinks the body parts of his destroyed clan make great "collectors items" in danger.

noktown · 2012-10-07, 07:24

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Originally Posted by vansonbee

@noktown: using Hisoka match against Gon was bad. Hisoka has no intention of killing Gon and was holding back remarkably.

Who knows, maybe the majority of PT can make Hisoka run for his money.

I guess you're right about Hisoka,and i probably overestimate Killua since it's true that he was learning the "art of killing" since he was very little,but he didn't have enough experience versus skilled opponents,in addition he didn't know anything about Nen and all this aura stuff until after the Hunter Exam.

I really doubt that the Majority of PT can intimidate Hisoka though,since he was only interested in the leader of the group,he did know that he couldn't take on them all,which is why he's looking for an opening to face Chrollo alone.

Although in the latest episode it makes me wonder why he didn't make a move,since it seems like every member was present in the hideout,so he had a chance to face Chrollo.
Maybe he didn't want to look suspicious or something...

SHINOBI-03 · 2012-10-07, 08:31

-EPISODE 50-

Spoiler for Part 1:

Spoiler for Part 2:

PonSquared · 2012-10-07, 10:03

We still got to see Nobunaga cry....

From looking at the older series and the newer one, I have to say I like the changes that were made to episode 50. Nobunaga's Nen looks a lot cooler and his En is so much more subtle and powerful. I like the choice of not showing the bubble around him as he walks. It really makes it feel more powerful.

I also like the fight scene. It helps prove why Nobunaga feels the way he does about Uvo.

frubam · 2012-10-07, 11:23

Pfft, I didn't feel as much emotion when Nobu cried in 2011 as I did in 1999. In 1999, they kind of built their relationship up showing that they were closer to each other than other Spider members; specifically when Nobu and Uvo argued about whether Uvo should go after the chain user. When Nobu cried in 1999, it really felt like he lost a close friend, due to how the scene was portrayed, and previous scenes they were involved in, but in 2011, it felt like their relationship wasn't any different from other Spiders until now. Other than that, both series were about on-par with one another in terms of content.

chikkychappy · 2012-10-08, 02:28

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Originally Posted by HxHFan

Hi, i first introduce myself. I was a lurker here since long time, and i watched the 99 e 2011 adaptation but didn't read the manga.

I didn't like the Chrollo filler in last episode for an indirect reason.

good points, i agree

2011's filler aside, i've always thought that danchou was tipped-off neon's existence because of the ryodan's first auction attack. remember the discussion with ubo in the hot air balloon? no judas within the group, very vague tip but someone important within the mafia ranks thought it was reliable. those hints would've made danchou endlessly curious, with his search ending in neon's feet

frubam · 2012-10-14, 00:58

I must say, for once, 2011 trumped 1999 in terms of content. The music, scene transition all felt better in 2011 than 1999. I cringed when that Rolento-looking dude fell to the floor after Kuroro stopped his Nen(by opening the window, which I thought was well done =03). Seeing the other Spider members just running through the mafia was a visual treat too. I hope they animate the next battle with the Zoldykes as well as the 1999 version.

2012-09-30, 07:02	Link #21
SHINOBI-03 Senior Member Join Date: May 2012	-EPISODE 49- Spoiler for Part 1: Manga: Chapter 89, 90, first half of 91, part of 92 Nippon’s adaptation: Episode 58, first quarter of 59 Nippon’s episode starts with this scene. And since I made such a controversy the last time, I’ll keep my opinion to myself. The two spies As predicted, the assassination of the spider by Silva incident got moved to this episode. The two Hisokas The manga and Nippon’s adaptation showed a real spider when Killua was talking about Nobunaga’s and Machi’s style Nobunaga The tension "Act normal" The first usage for the spider coin in the manga and Madhouse’s adaptation is here. Nippon’s adaptation showed it back in episode 55. A filler scene of Shalnark and Chrollo in Madhouse’s adaptation The return of David Bowie Silva and Zeno Madhouse gives us a spoiler Killua’s zetsu. Viz’s translation made it sound like Killua is getting invisible -“He faded right in front of me.” – “Whoa! It’s almost like he turned transparent.” -- Spoiler for Part 2: The manga gives us this weird panel. Not sure if those are homeless, but why does it look out of place? Togashi got the answer in his head. We don’t see them in Madhouse’s adaptation, but we see them in Nippon’s. Viz’s translation for the manga and the anime mentions here that Killua says the shadowing was a game while the CR subs says it was an exercise. The square. This has been mentioned before, but no harm bringing it up again. Notice the difference in Nippon’s version between the film masters and the animation cel. Nobunaga’s death stare and the reaction Killua’s action Phinks follows Killua’s moves. In Madhouse’s version we see his eyes move in a blurry motion. In Nippon’s version he just stands there and not even moving his eyes. Killua’s grip The damage on Killua’s legs Another Nobunaga close-up And another one Phinks’ turn “Me too?” In Nippon’s adaptation, there’s a problem… Machi does not recognize Gon despite being present in Hisoka’s match in episode 42. She’s supposed to know him and now that he’s an enhancer and therefore, not their target. The only explanation that I could come up with is she was busy grooming herself that she didn’t pay attention to the match. At the start of episode 59 it appeared like she knew him, but they didn’t expand much about it or didn’t go in full detail of what did catch her attention about him. This scene is from chapter 92 and Madhouse moved it to earlier (right about the mid of chapter 91). In Nippon’s adaptation this scene is in episode 59. Here in the manga Killua makes a comment on the Spiders and how they resample his family. -“Should we even be here?” – “Not that I can talk. These guys aren’t that different from my family.” The entrance to the Spider lair is different in Madhouses’s adaptation. Instead of a closed area behind a door, it’san open space. The episode is near excellent. The differences from the manga are merely cosmetic and don’t affect anything. The animation in some instances like walking and Phinks’ eyes and Gon trying to escape before Machi graps him was smooth and the music was fitting the mood. In Nippon’s adaptation I didn’t like the music during the shadowing and didn’t fit what’s mostly an atmosphere full of tension. 9/10

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ookamigirl Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011	The phantom troupe members were surprised by Uvo's disappearance. Killua was the only one who saw their true strength. Tailing those two was not a good idea, but I guess they had no other choice. Gon & Killua walked straight into a trap. They are no match to even one of those phantom troupe guys. Being brought into their hideout means they're not gonna release them ever. __________________ My Blog --> ookami

2012-09-30, 13:56	Link #25
TooPurePureBoy Socially Inept Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Retracing my steps.....	Ya that would be the equivalent of Luffy from chap. 1 being able to take on one of the Shichibukai. It's just too early in the game, though (as illustrated by Phinx's whistle at Killua's skill) he still did a good job of trying to escape considering. __________________ "Do what I do in every friendship and relationship, give 5%" - Ron Bennington

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vansonbee ❤Ichigo 100%❤ Join Date: Jan 2011	@noktown: using Hisoka match against Gon was bad. Hisoka has no intention of killing Gon and was holding back remarkably. Who knows, maybe the majority of PT can make Hisoka run for his money. __________________ MAL

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Squarecrow Supreme Ruler of Crowatia Join Date: Jun 2009 Age: 33	Well they have been Nen users as long as Kurapika and have more battle experience (Heavens Arena) than him yet they didn't even come close to him. I was hoping they'd at least make it out of their respective rooms. __________________ http://www.anime-planet.com/users/LordCrow

2012-09-30, 12:56	Link #23
noktown Senior Member Join Date: May 2006	Although i do understand that the Spiders are strong,i was a little bit disappointed that they showed Killua not standing a chance against Sphinx at all... I understand Gon,since he's inexperienced. But Killua,i was expecting a bit more,at least while it was still 1 v 1.

2012-09-30, 13:37	Link #24
Regaldo Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2012	His dad had a hard time with them, what makes you think Killua is gonna do any better? These kids barely learned nen. They don't even have their developed techniques yet. The PT are just older and on a totally different level.

2012-09-30, 14:06	Link #26
noktown Senior Member Join Date: May 2006	I didn't mean to see him win,but pulling an escape would make sense. What i also mean,that usually no matter how strong the opponent is,even when it was Gon vs Hisoka,Gon still landed one punch Hisoka didn't expect,but in here it seemed so ridiculously one sided that it hurt my eyes.I'm not really arguing,just saying. @TooPurePureBoy,Technically Luffy didn't change that much from the first chapter to the chapter he defeated Crocodile,but i get your point

2012-09-30, 16:32	Link #28
Regaldo Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2012	I'm just saying these Kids can't beat Adults at their own game. lol

2012-09-30, 18:28	Link #30
Regaldo Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2012	Kurapika has abilities that revolve around Nen, he already has a hatsu...As for Gon and killua they still only learned the basics. They didn't develop any sort of technique such as Franklins finger shooting, Shalnarks phone, Kurapika's chains. etc. The difference amongst the 3 of them, Kurapika was driven to develop his nen as quickly as possible. Gon and Killua on the other hand were only taught the basics and never really explored how to use their affinities to the max. Later on you'll get why Gon and Killua are still noobs when it comes to Nen.

2012-09-30, 19:38	Link #31
TooPurePureBoy Socially Inept Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Retracing my steps.....	Kurapica is a special case. For one he has genetics on his side, those red eyes making him a specialist capable of 100 percent in all categories of nen is something almost nobody can do. He sacrificed his nen and his life for a stronger aura. Doing so allows him the power needed to realize his imagined ability that most would not even have thought of. Killua and Gon are different. Every decent Nen teacher they meet is going to stress training from the basics slowly because they have so much raw talent. It would be a shame to risk a precious gem by rushing the cut. __________________ "Do what I do in every friendship and relationship, give 5%" - Ron Bennington

2012-09-30, 20:11	Link #32
vansonbee ❤Ichigo 100%❤ Join Date: Jan 2011	You forgot to mention Kura strong feelings and motivation to the factors. ^ __________________ MAL

2012-10-05, 05:23	Link #33
HxHFan Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2012	Hi, i first introduce myself. I was a lurker here since long time, and i watched the 99 e 2011 adaptation but didn't read the manga. I didn't like the Chrollo filler in last episode for an indirect reason. There they shows when and how Chrollo managed to know about Neon. It was occasionally. That drives the fault of it directly to Kurapica and Dalzollene. I mean, i already found very strange watching 7 bodyguards hired and paid to protect Neon, just going on their own in an attack mission leaving Neon with 5 dog in substitution. Their main goal was to protect Neon at all costs, that's why they were hired for. The Phantom Troupe didn't approached or even get near to Neon in any way, nor there was any evidence or suspicion that they were interested to her. If there was a Mafia member interested in kidnapping Neon or seeking revenge he would have easily find her (like PT did) and get rid on the 5 dog. So the decision to go all-in in an attack mission contradicting their main goal was a very very bad decision, unbelievable to me and i i think that is very strange. I appreciated more the 99 adaptation change where Dalzollene stayed at the hotel to protect Neon (it's still 1 out of 7 but it's better then nothing). Back to the filler, stating the moment where Chrollo learned about the Nostrade Family, gives us to know that the PT didn't know her completely before. So it just leads the fault directly to Kurapica, with his kidnap of one PT member he put Neon in danger (still i know that he cares more his personal goals, but this fact is given), and Dalzollene that should have avoided that (i suppose that bodyguards have to be in a defensive stance, and not doing an attack mission against stronger enemies that have not threaten Neon in any way). Without the filler, you could think the Neon was one of the Chrollo main objectives since the beginning of the auction (like i did watching the 99 adaptation). But in the 2011, Chrollo didn't know anything about her if Kurapica didn't attract their attention, so the future events are Kurapica's fault (which i could understand he don't care about it) and Dalzollene's very very huge fault, which acted pretty stupid and against his main goal in my opinion. What do you think?

2012-10-06, 08:15	Link #34
TooPurePureBoy Socially Inept Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Retracing my steps.....	Ya I would definitely say that Kurapica's actions put Neon in danger when she otherwise wouldn't have been ( at least from the spiders). That said I'm sure he doesn't give a shit that he put some girl (no matter how cute and ditzy) who thinks the body parts of his destroyed clan make great "collectors items" in danger. __________________ "Do what I do in every friendship and relationship, give 5%" - Ron Bennington

2012-10-07, 08:31	Link #36
SHINOBI-03 Senior Member Join Date: May 2012	-EPISODE 50- Spoiler for Part 1: Manga: Second half of chapter 91, 92, 93, most of 94 Nippon’s Adaptation: Episode 59, first quarter of episode 60 The opening ‘Departure’ is changed a bit with new scenes Killua before moving to Bobobob-bo Bo-bobo to take the role of Heppokomaru SD Hisoka is in the manga Nobunaga’s crying face Nobu, Killua, Feitan and Shalnark’s reactions to Gon’s response were not shown in Madhouse’s adaptation. In Nippon’s adaptation we only see Killua and Shal. Gon’s counterattack SLAM!! In the manga Nobunaga slammed the stone table with his fist. In Madhouse’s adaptation he kicked it. Killua’s realization of the chain user’s identity "They shall not pass" This moment did not appear in Madhouse’s adaptation Spoiler for Part 2: The comparison between Gon and Uvo is based on a later scene between Franklin and Shizuku from chapter 93 The memory of Uvo. This scene did not appear in Nippon’s adaptation ٍShizuku comments that Uvo is stronger when he someone holds him back. In the manga (at least in Viz's translation) she calls him a loser. This scene got extended a bit in Nippon's adaptation Machi's partner is... A filler scene in Nippon's adaptation between Machi and Hisoka where she asks him if knows Gon or not. I repeat that she's supposed to know him since she saw their match at Heaven's Arena but for some reason she doesn't know. Since I haven't watch Nippon's Hunter Exam entirly I'm not sure if these scenes did show up or not. Killua did not shout in the manga after remembering Illumi's words the first time. Killua's stare Nobunaga on guard Obviously he doesn't brush after all that candy if his teeth shatter like this! When Gon was wandering about Leoreo, in the manga it was just a thought in his head. In the anime it was verbal. Is ot just me or did I really get a lot of Nobunaga face shots in two episodes?! It has been noted that Nobunaga's sword is a "Shodachi". I've never heard of this type of swords. I'm going to search about it to see if it's real or not. The quarrel was more comical in Madhouse's adaptation. Killua is the only one we see his reaction to Gon's respoce in Madhouse's adaptation. Nippon's adaptation gave a more detailed look to the kids' escape plan This face did not appear in Madhouse's adaptation. En The Spiders It's an okay episode. I would've liked to see Nobunaga's crying face from the front like the manga instead of that angle that we got. 8.5\10

2012-10-07, 10:03	Link #37
PonSquared A Very Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Sullivan County, NY Age: 48	We still got to see Nobunaga cry.... From looking at the older series and the newer one, I have to say I like the changes that were made to episode 50. Nobunaga's Nen looks a lot cooler and his En is so much more subtle and powerful. I like the choice of not showing the bubble around him as he walks. It really makes it feel more powerful. I also like the fight scene. It helps prove why Nobunaga feels the way he does about Uvo.

2012-10-07, 11:23	Link #38
frubam simp for Lyria Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: on the Grandcypher Age: 40	Pfft, I didn't feel as much emotion when Nobu cried in 2011 as I did in 1999. In 1999, they kind of built their relationship up showing that they were closer to each other than other Spider members; specifically when Nobu and Uvo argued about whether Uvo should go after the chain user. When Nobu cried in 1999, it really felt like he lost a close friend, due to how the scene was portrayed, and previous scenes they were involved in, but in 2011, it felt like their relationship wasn't any different from other Spiders until now. Other than that, both series were about on-par with one another in terms of content. __________________ Pure of heart, precious as life (^,^ )

2012-10-14, 00:58	Link #40
frubam simp for Lyria Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: on the Grandcypher Age: 40	I must say, for once, 2011 trumped 1999 in terms of content. The music, scene transition all felt better in 2011 than 1999. I cringed when that Rolento-looking dude fell to the floor after Kuroro stopped his Nen(by opening the window, which I thought was well done =03). Seeing the other Spider members just running through the mafia was a visual treat too. I hope they animate the next battle with the Zoldykes as well as the 1999 version. __________________ Pure of heart, precious as life (^,^ )